Ben Yeoh Chats

Benjamin Yeoh

Ben Yeoh chats to a variety of thinkers and doers about their curiosities, ideas and passions. If you are curious about the world this show is for you. I have extended conversations across humanities and science with artists, philosophers, writers, theatre makers, activists, economists and all walks of life. Disclaimer: Personal podcast, no organisational affiliation or endorsement.

  1. Matt Lodder on Tattoos as Art History

    28/05

    Matt Lodder on Tattoos as Art History

    Art historian and author Matt Lodder joins Ben Yeoh to explain why tattoo history is not a niche subject, but a way into art history, class, colonialism, gender, fashion, technology, archives, and the stories societies choose to preserve or forget. Matt argues that tattoos have often been misunderstood because the historical record overrepresents people whose bodies were monitored: sailors, soldiers, prisoners and other surveilled groups. Meanwhile, tattooing among women, the middle classes, queer communities and “ordinary” people was often hidden under clothing, poorly documented, or preserved only in private archives. The conversation moves from Matt’s childhood fascination with tattooing to the art-historical questions that animate his work. Rather than asking only whether tattoos are “art”, why people get tattooed, or what a tattoo “means”, Matt asks what tattoos reveal about style, taste, authorship, technology, reception and power. They discuss myths around Captain Cook, the strange archival afterlives of tattooed skin, the invention of electric tattooing, Instagram’s acceleration of trends, AI-generated tattoo aesthetics, eye tattooing, and why museums still struggle to preserve an art form carried on living bodies. It is a conversation about tattoos, but also about how culture gets remembered, flattened, misread and rediscovered. Transcript: https://www.thendobetter.com/arts/2026/5/28/matt-lodder-on-tattoos-memory-and-the-history-written-on-skin Takeaways: Tattoo history is a way of reading wider human history, because tattoos sit at the intersection of image, body, identity, fashion, technology and social judgement. Many tattoo myths persist because archives preserve the bodies of people who were surveilled, while more private or ordinary tattooing often left fewer records. Matt pushes against the narrow question of whether tattoos are “art”, arguing that art history is more useful when it asks about style, authorship, taste and reception. Tattooing was not simply “discovered” by Europeans through Captain Cook. That story reflects later colonial myth-making more than historical reality. Instagram has not changed the basic fact that people copy visual culture, but it has radically accelerated the life cycle of tattoo trends. AI tattoo imagery is technically influential, but Matt is sceptical of its aesthetics and ethics, especially when it shortcuts artistic authorship. Matt’s practical advice: ask tattooed people who did the work, look at healed portfolios, choose artists by style, and do not treat people’s bodies as public property.

    1 h 15 min
  2. Brian Wang on Innate Immunity, ARIA and Pandemic Preparedness

    8/05

    Brian Wang on Innate Immunity, ARIA and Pandemic Preparedness

    What if medicine could protect us against many respiratory viruses at once? In this episode of Ben Yeoh Chats, Ben speaks with Brian Wang, Programme Director at ARIA, the UK’s Advanced Research and Invention Agency. Brian leads ARIA’s Sustained Viral Resilience programme, which is exploring whether we can harness the innate immune system to create a new kind of preventive medicine. Brian explains why most people think about immunity through antibodies, vaccines and the adaptive immune system, while the innate immune system is broader, faster and potentially better suited to broad-spectrum protection. The challenge is that innate immunity has historically been harder to understand and harder to engineer safely. Ben and Brian discuss whether sustained innate immuno-prophylactics, or SIPs, could one day provide months of protection against flu, RSV, coronaviruses and future pandemic threats from a single dose. They also explore AI for biology, synthetic biology, pandemic preparedness after COVID, medical regulation, the UK science base, and ARIA’s model for funding high-risk research. A conversation about innate immunity, preventive medicine, pandemic resilience, AI in biology, and how breakthroughs actually happen. Link to transcript: https://www.thendobetter.com/investing/2026/5/8/brian-wang-on-innate-immunity-aria-and-a-new-kind-of-preventive-medicine Contents 00:40 What we misunderstand about the immune system02:04 Could one medicine protect against many viruses?03:55 Innate versus adaptive immunity06:18 Why innate immunity was overlooked16:36 Breakthroughs in innate immunology21:09 Why start with respiratory viruses?25:47 How ARIA funds frontier science29:27 Promising approaches to SIPs34:13 AI for biology and its limits38:15 Brian’s path to ARIA39:16 Pandemic preparedness after COVID44:03 Overrated / underrated47:27 The UK science ecosystem50:15 Medical regulation53:31 GLP-1s and wider biomedical discovery56:47 Upcoming ARIA calls01:02:10 Advice for scientists and builders

    1 h 5 min
  3. Dan Wang on Silicon Valley Culture, AI Hype, London’s Building Crisis, and China

    21/04

    Dan Wang on Silicon Valley Culture, AI Hype, London’s Building Crisis, and China

    Dan Wang joins Ben Yeoh for a conversation about culture, ambition, and what different societies choose to value. They discuss why Silicon Valley can feel thinner-skinned and less culturally alive than it once did, why London remains rich in artistic life but struggles to build homes, infrastructure, and energy; and why China’s extraordinary physical capacity has come with tighter limits on cultural expression. Along the way, they get into AI hype and real-world harms, censorship, food culture, neurodiversity in tech, opera, Shakespeare, theatre, writing craft, and Dan’s advice for ambitious young people. Link to transcript and episode site: www.thendobetter.com/arts/2026/4/21/dan-wang-silicon-valley-culture-londons-building-crisis-and-chinas-cultural-squeeze Chapters00:00 Intro: Dan Wang and Breakneck00:21 Why Tech Lacks Humour02:09 Silicon Valley and the Arts05:28 London Versus California08:31 China, Censorship, and Culture12:56 Food Culture in China and America18:58 AI Hype, Doom, and Real Harms23:04 Energy, Permitting, and AI Bottlenecks30:58 Why Britain Struggles to Build34:28 Neurodiversity in Silicon Valley37:04 Cadets, Discipline, and Rule-Breaking39:15 Philip Glass, Mozart, Verdi, and Wagner42:04 The Most American Shakespeare44:06 King Lear and Political Collapse45:31 What Dan Learned From the Book Tour48:09 Retyping Great Writers52:56 Reading Plays Aloud55:46 Why Arcadia Matters58:29 Do Playwrights Write Differently?01:01:38 Overrated, Underrated, Correctly Rated01:08:00 Markets Versus Real Value01:09:37 What Dan Is Reading Now01:10:21 Advice for Your Twenties01:13:24 Closing

    1 h 18 min
  4. Phoebe Arslanagić-Little: Fertility, Family Policy, and the Birth Gap

    22/03

    Phoebe Arslanagić-Little: Fertility, Family Policy, and the Birth Gap

    Why are people having fewer children than they say they want? In this episode, writer and policy thinker Phoebe Arslanagić-Little joins me to discuss the UK fertility crisis and what she calls the “birth gap”: the gap between the number of children people say they want and the number they actually have. We talk about why this is not just about money, but a mix of culture, career timing, housing, childcare, social norms, and the feeling that you need to reach some elusive state of readiness before having children. We also get into maternity pay, paternity leave, grandparents, childcare, state signals, dating apps, and what surprised Phoebe most about becoming a mother. As she puts it, “I don’t really subscribe to any of the theories that say, oh, it’s this one thing. I think it genuinely is like a confluence of factors.” And on the role of government: “I think the state should very openly say there are people who want to have children. We think that’s great. We’d like to help them.” Transcript: https://www.thendobetter.com/investing/2026/3/22/phoebe-arslanagi-little-on-fertility-family-policy-and-the-birth-gap Contents: 00:00 Fertility Crisis Defined 01:25 Overpopulation Narrative Origins 03:22 Is the Birth Gap Real 04:59 Why People Delay Kids 06:41 Culture and Readiness Standards 09:51 Policy Levers to Boost Births 13:06 Making Birth Less Traumatic 15:13 Paternity Leave and Social Engineering 22:05 State Neutrality and Universal Benefits 27:36 Grandparents and Informal Childcare 31:24 Single Parents and China Lessons 34:52 Best Family Policy Levers 36:33 Childcare Costs and Incentives 38:31 Childcare Ratios Debate 40:21 Safety Versus Deregulation 41:33 Underrated Overrated Round 42:20 Food Fears and Animal Welfare 45:12 Astrology and Lab Meat 47:41 Pubs Alcohol and E Bikes 52:18 Dating Apps and Social Mixing 58:49 Writing Process and Motherhood 01:01:49 Projects Advice and Wrap Up

    1 h 5 min
  5. Salima Saxton: Cancer, Estrangement, and “Bad Patient” Honesty

    26/02

    Salima Saxton: Cancer, Estrangement, and “Bad Patient” Honesty

    Salima Saxton on cancer, honesty, estrangement, and creative work in real life. Salima is Ben’s longtime friend, and they talk about her cancer diagnosis and what she calls an unexpected new “year of undoing”, a return to herself rather than a neat reinvention story. “Be the sky, not the weather. The weather passes through.” They discuss why the language of “brave” can feel wrong, why “What can I do?” often misses the mark, and what Salima means by being a “bad patient”. The conversation turns to Salima’s Substack essay “Builder Dad” on estrangement and what outsiders routinely misunderstand. “‘Blood is thicker than water’ is not advice I believe in.” Salima also shares the hardest things to write in memoir: telling the whole truth, including the parts that do not flatter you. The chat then touches on anti-heroine storytelling, friendship breakups, social media’s double edge, and what creative work looks like without romantic routines: write where you can, start small, “plod”, find mentors, and build community. “There’s never a perfect moment. Start with something tiny and plod.” A lighter finish includes an overrated/underrated game (champagne, dressing up, height, hustle culture, social media, coconut oil), Salima’s plan to audition again, and why dark humour matters when things get rough. “A sense of humour is absolutely vital. You either laugh or you crack.” Transcript and video: https://www.thendobetter.com/arts/2026/2/24/salima-saxton-cancer-bad-patient-honesty-estrangement-and-writing-without-waiting Contents: 00:00 30-year friendship,  Himalayas, coconut oil01:23 Cancer diagnosis and a new “year of undoing”03:41 Returning to the 18-year-old self05:07 Illness clarifies relationships, energy is finite07:29 Why “brave” and “What can I do?” can land badly09:02 “Bad patient”: performing “good” on an overstretched NHS ward13:05 Honest female voices, dissonance, anti-heroine truth15:28 “Builder Dad”, estrangement, and searching for father figures17:57 What people get wrong about estrangement and friendship breakups21:29 Hypervigilance and the hidden inner life23:31 The hardest memoir scene: dad’s death and anger at mum26:15 Writing about mum: respect, friction, truth29:44 Childhood contradictions: hippie roots, no heating, love of glamour30:37 No perfect routine: writing around kids, work, real life33:09 Ditch the artist romance: money, time, and the true cost35:00 Tiny wins: one sentence still counts36:49 Bed writing, socks, and self-trickery38:06 Overrated/underrated game41:31 Social media love/hate and quiet communities43:59 2026 as the “year of saying yes”, auditions, dark humour46:37 Advice to creatives: start small, “plod”, mentors, community50:15 Long friendships and gratitude

    53 min
  6. Deena Mousa: How Much Is A Life Worth? Effective Philanthropy, AI For Good & Global Health

    2/01

    Deena Mousa: How Much Is A Life Worth? Effective Philanthropy, AI For Good & Global Health

    How do you put a price tag on a human life? It sounds like a cold question, but for grant makers, it is the necessary calculus of doing good. In this episode, Ben sits down with Deena Mousa (Open Philanthropy, Coefficient Giving) to discuss the difficult frameworks used to allocate finite resources. "Every time you choose whether to take a more dangerous job at a higher wage... you are implicitly putting a price on how much you value a year of your life." We dive into the "Coefficient Dollar," the complexities of measuring pain, and why government procurement might be the world's most underrated problem. WE COVER: The Calculus of Altruism: Using "revealed preference" to value a year of life The Pain Paradox: Why health models struggle to measure suffering AI for Good: "AI washing" vs. actual capacity building Systemic Bottlenecks: Why boring process fixes beat flashy policies Life Advice: Why you should ignore advice that resonates too much "Often, the people listening to a piece of general advice are exactly the group of people that should be doing the opposite." Contents: 00:00 Introduction01:17 Valuing Life and Health05:46 Challenges in Measuring Pain and Health Outcomes13:32 Creative Process and Research Methodology18:38 Journey and Early Experiences22:23 Debate on International Aid and USAID29:20 Impact of AI in Global Health and Development36:25 Overrated or Underrated44:59 Exciting Projects and AI for Good46:14 Balancing Cause Areas and Funding Decisions58:31 Advice for Aspiring Philanthropists and Innovators

    1 h 1 min

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Ben Yeoh chats to a variety of thinkers and doers about their curiosities, ideas and passions. If you are curious about the world this show is for you. I have extended conversations across humanities and science with artists, philosophers, writers, theatre makers, activists, economists and all walks of life. Disclaimer: Personal podcast, no organisational affiliation or endorsement.

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