Innovative Legal Leadership PERSUIT

How does one begin to measure the social impact of diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging initiatives in legal? And how can you get others to buy in?


When Porter Merriman, VP & Assistant GC at AutoDesk, helped spearhead her department’s new DEIB program, she knew she couldn’t force people to be fully invested. But she could acknowledge and reward those who were.


In this episode of our new Mission Possible series, Porter gives other legal leaders a map to help them charter their own DEIB programs and build diverse partnerships.


Join us as we discuss:



- Why DEIB can’t be a string of start-stop initiatives (1:54)

- Factoring DEIB in the external sourcing process (7:59)

- Advice to legal leaders starting internal DEIB programs (14:29)


Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:



AutoDesk FY2023 Diversity & Belonging Report


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Ulrike Schwarz-Runer, Managing Director and Senior Partner, GC and CLO at Boston Consulting Group (BCG), has long been a champion for DEI and psychological safety in the workplace.
While she’s overseeing BCG’s global legal operations, she’s also leveraging her position to empower her people to feel safe and heard while participating in international forums on inclusivity.
Ulrike shares how BCG is driving DEI initiatives through innovation, effective communication, and expertise deployment.
Join us as we discuss:
[5:11] Why diverse teams are more effective and innovative
[14:32] The importance of psychological safety in the workplace
[21:39] Keeping the human connection in digital transformation
Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:
The Positive Domino Effect of Psychological Safety (BCG)
Flexible Teams Are Key for In-house Lawyers to Share Expertise (Financial Times)
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It takes everyone, from corporate leadership to interns, to drive successful DEI initiatives through an in-house legal department.So, when Forbes recognized NiSource as one of the top employers for diversity in the energy field in 2023, André Wright and his team knew their efforts had paid off.
The VP & Deputy GC for NiSource joined us to talk about how they implemented their DEI strategy and share some of the surprising challenges and outcomes of bringing everyone along.
Join us as we discuss:
[4:05] Carrying out DEI initiatives at the strategic level
[11:59] The need to find like-minded suppliers and partners
[16:48] Why it’s important to consider opposing viewpoints
Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast:
Leadership Council on Legal Diversity (LCLD)
NAMWOLF
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Creating a positive culture is hard — especially in the legal space.
Old institutions and ways of doing things are difficult to unseat, and modern corporate legal departments need to lean heavily into building culture that works for both the company and its people equally.
Kailee Goold, VP of Litigation and Legal Operations at Cardinal Health, sits down with PERSUIT’s own Michelle Landy to discuss how to disrupt outdated patterns of thinking and behavior when it comes to culture and belonging inside of your organization.
When everyone has a seat at the table and is comfortable sitting in it, legal departments win.
Join us as we discuss:

[3:30] Acting as an “actor in a playground of critics” 
[6:15] Tailoring DEIB to your department’s culture
[11:00] How disrupting existing patterns can impact legal department health
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As the Director of Legal Operations, Employment Law, and Litigation at Trend Micro, Brent Dyer is leading the transformation of legal operations within the multinational cybersecurity giant. 

His journey from aspiring opera singer to legal innovator is not just a fascinating career transition but a testament to the dynamism and versatility required in the legal ops landscape.

Brent joins us to unpack the world of legal ops, sharing insights on enhancing operational efficiencies, strategic litigation management, and spearheading initiatives that challenge the conventional law firm model.

Join us as we discuss:
[6:57] The duality of legal ops and traditional legal work
[15:44] Optimizing litigation management and billing issues
[26:02] Why law firms need to care more about the client experience
[35:15] Underappreciated value of non-lawyers in legal ops

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Most of our guests started their legal journeys in private law firms before pivoting to corporate in-house legal departments. In this insightful episode, the shoe is on the other foot.
Veronica Gromada spent nearly 20 years with Walmart’s in-house legal department, leading teams of attorneys, paralegals, and various professionals and managing the retailer’s extensive tort litigation portfolio.
Now, as a partner at the prestigious law firm Shook, Hardy & Bacon L.L.P., Veronica is not only overseeing their products liability group. She is also the co-chair for multiple ESG initiatives.
Hear how Veronica is using her Fortune One experience to give her colleagues new perspectives on business relationships and how she’s championing diversity in AMLAW firms.
Join us as we discuss:
[3:03] Pivoting from a massive in-house department to private practice
[13:51] Why law firms need to adopt a business mindset
[23:56] The challenges of being a black female partner
[34:34] How AI will free legal professionals to better serve clients
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