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The Social-Engineer Podcast is about humans. Understanding how we interact, communicate and relay information can help us protect, mitigate and understand social engineering attacks

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The Social-Engineer Podcast is about humans. Understanding how we interact, communicate and relay information can help us protect, mitigate and understand social engineering attacks

    Ep. 189 - The Doctor Is In Series - Neurons That Fire Together Wire Together

    Ep. 189 - The Doctor Is In Series - Neurons That Fire Together Wire Together

    Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.  

     

    In today’s episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Natural born killers, or monsters in the making? 

    We are all curious about the origins of evil and violence. We see a story on the news and ask ourselves, how could anyone do that? So, let’s dive into how. We are not going to cover specific cases and talk about specific serial killers, because you lose the science and we “celebritize” serial killers.  [Dec 05, 2022] 

     

    00:00 – Intro 

    00:19 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 

    00:52 – Intro Links 

    Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ 

    Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb  CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 

    03:37 – The topic of the day: Natural born killers, or monsters in the making? 

    04:48 – Born this way? 

    08:25 – The "X" Factor 

    10:11 – Self-soothing 

    13:18 – The importance of Anxiety 

    14:34 – Made by the military 

    15:23 – You can't pick and choose 

    18:18 – Gag reflex 

    19:50 – Who's to blame? 

    20:59 – The "Criminal Gene" fallacy 

    24:39 – A happy ending 

    26:50 – “This isn't set in stone” 

    29:31 – Silver Linings 

    31:13 – “It's a bit of both” 

    32:02 – Misguided markers 

    35:42 – Is there prevention? 

    39:05 – Minority Report 

    41:18 – An unsupportive system 

    42:34 – Touch is vital! 

    45:26 – An interesting (NOT FUN!) quote 

    46:27 – Wrap Up 

    47:07 – The request lines are open! 

    47:35 – Outro 

    www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org 

     

     

    Find us online: 

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a 

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy 
     

    References: 

    Entail, W. D. A. S. K. (2021). Are Serial Killers Born or Made?. 


     

    Johnson, B. R., & Becker, J. V. (1997). Natural born killers?: The development of the sexually sadistic serial killer. Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law Online, 25(3), 335-348. 

     

    Ioana, I. M. (2013). No one is born a serial killer!. Procedia-Social and Behavioral Sciences, 81, 324-328. 

     

    Mitchell, H., & Aamodt, M. G. (2005). The incidence of child abuse in serial killers. Journal of Police and Criminal Psychology, 20(1), 40-47. 

     

    Miller, L. (2014). Serial killers: I. Subtypes, patterns, and motives. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 19(1), 1-11. 

     

    Wiest, J. B. (2016). Casting cultural monsters: Representations of serial killers in US and UK news media. Howard Journal of Communications, 27(4), 327-346. 

     

    Wrangham, R. W., Wilson, M. L., & Muller, M. N. (2006). Comparative rates of violence in chimpanzees and humans. Primates, 47(1), 14-26. 

     

    Newton-Fisher, N. E., & Thompson, M. E. (2012). Comparative evolutionary perspectives on violence. 

     

    Marono, A. J., Reid, S., Yaksic, E., & Keatley, D. A. (2020). A behaviour sequence analysis of serial killers’ lives: From childhood abuse to methods of murder. Psychiatry, psychology and law, 27(1), 126-137. 

     

    Marono, A., & Keatley, D. A. (2022). An investigation into the association between cannibalism and serial killers. Psychiatry, Psychology and Law, 1-12.

    • 47 min
    Ep. 188 - SE Etc Series - Training to be a Social Engineer with Patrick and Chris

    Ep. 188 - SE Etc Series - Training to be a Social Engineer with Patrick and Chris

    Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Nov 28, 2022] 

     

    00:00 – Intro 

    00:24 – Patrick Laverty Intro 

    00:43 – Intro Links 

    Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/  Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb 

    CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 
    03:26 – Todays Topic: How do you become a Social Engineer? 

    05:16 – The Art of the Conversation  

    05:36 – The old college try! 


    07:49 – It's all in the report 

    11:37 – OSINT: The SE Lifeblood 

    13:53 – How do you learn this? 

    16:48 – Don't rely on tools, rely on OSINT 

    19:14 – The APSE origin story  

    25:13 – It's really about communication  

    25:45 – Learning from DISC 

    29:24 – It's not all bad 

    30:24 – This isn't 9 to 5 

    33:50 – Conversation with a purpose 

    34:57 – Back to the reports 

    38:27 – APSE and beyond 

    43:36 – Sorry...Invite Only 

    45:50 – 'Tis the season 

    46:41 – Never stop learning 

    48:27 – Always different, never boring  

    49:32 – The next generation  

    51:28 – Coming up next month 

    52:03 – Wrap Up & Outro 

    www.social-engineer.com 

    www.innocentlivesfoundation.org 
      

    Find us online 


    Chris Hadnagy 
    Twitter: @humanhacker  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy 
    Patrick Laverty 
    Twitter: @plaverty9 

    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9 
     

    • 52 min
    Ep. 187 - Security Awareness Series - A master class in CISO Communications with Marc Ashworth

    Ep. 187 - Security Awareness Series - A master class in CISO Communications with Marc Ashworth

    Marc Ashworth is a respected IT executive with over 30 years of experience in cyber and physical security, IT/security architecture, project management, is an author and a public speaker.  He is a board member of the St. Louis Chapter of InfraGard, Webster University Cyber Advisory board, Co-Founded the State of Cyber annual security conference, and a Lifetime member of FBI Citizens Academy, possessing security certifications in CISSP, CISM, CRISC, Security+ and other certifications.  As the Senior Vice President and Chief Information Security Officer at First Bank, Marc currently oversees First Bank’s information security, fraud, physical security, and the network services departments. He is also the 2022 Cyber Defense Magazine winner of “Top 100 CISOs in the World.” [Nov 21st, 2022] 
     
    00:00 – Intro 
    00:49 – Intro Links: 
    Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/  Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb  CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/  03:15 – Marc Ashworth Intro 
    05:17 – What was the path that led you to InfoSec? 
    07:41 – Cultivating good security practices 
    09:31 – Learning to "scale" your security 
    11:22 – The value of Strategic Thinking 
    13:40 – It's all in the presentation 
    15:25 – The importance of Customer Service 
    18:32 – The Art of Translation 
    21:32 – Small Wins 
    24:34 – Letters to a young CISO 
    26:20 – Don't avoid Pen Testing! 
    28:11 – Adopting a "Partnership" mindset 
    30:30 – Long line of influence 
    33:40 – Book Recommendations 
    We Are Legion (We Are Bob) – Dennis E. Taylor  Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup – John Carreyrou  The Goals Program – Zig Ziglar  The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People – Stephen Covey  36:14 – Find Marc Ashworth online 
    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/marcashworth/  38:36 – Wrap Up  
    38:56 – Outro 
    www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org   

    • 39 min
    Ep. 186 - Human Element Series - Dont Be the Smartest Person in the Room with Stephanie Paul

    Ep. 186 - Human Element Series - Dont Be the Smartest Person in the Room with Stephanie Paul

    Today we are joined by Stephanie Paul. Stephanie is an actress, a trainer, and keynote speaker. She has over 30 years of experience in the entertainment industry and she uses that now as she coaches and trains executives, sales teams, Tedx speakers and experts of all kinds to become master communicators. She is also a proud member of EOA and on the board of the directors of the Alzheimer’s Association in Orange County. She is an active member of WIB, and the Vice Chair of Young Women in Bio. 

    [Nov 14th, 2022] 

    00:00 – Intro  

    00:23 – Intro Links 

    Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing  Managed Email Phishing  Adversarial Simulations  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK 

    CLUTCH  innocentlivesfoundation.org 
    02:10 – Stephanie Paul Intro 

    02:59 – How did you go from acting to coaching communications? 

    06:34 – Dark Side of the Moon 


    08:03 – The Magic of Story 

    09:14 – Can anyone learn to use storytelling? 

    11:43 – Practice, practice, practice! 

    13:49 – How is storytelling used in Leadership? 

    16:31 – Reflecting your values 

    18:15 – The beauty of mistakes 

    21:32 – You're not born with it! 

    23:28 – Mentorship 

    28:32 – The importance of Accountability 

    30:10 – Make them want the banana 

    33:24 – Valley Girl 

    35:39 – Find Stephanie Paul online 

    LinkedIn: in/stephaniepaulinc/  Facebook: @StephaniePaulInc  Website: stephaniepaulinc.com/ 

    36:50 – Women In Leadership 

    37:49 – Book Recommendations: 

    Be Exceptional - Joe Navarro- https://amzn.to/3E8v21I  Conversational Intelligence – Judith Glaser - https://amzn.to/3hzy1bX  The Magic of Story – Stephanie Paul - https://amzn.to/3UzytFP 

    40:55 – Who are your greatest mentors? 

    Mother  Dr. Betty Uribe 
    44:42 – Guest Wrap Up 

    45:17 – Outro 


    www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org  

    • 45 min
    Ep. 185 - Nonverbals, Neuroception and understanding Intent with Chris Hadnagy and Dr. Abbie Marono

    Ep. 185 - Nonverbals, Neuroception and understanding Intent with Chris Hadnagy and Dr. Abbie Marono

    Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.  

     

    In today’s episode, Chris and Abbie are not just going to talk about nonverbal communication at an observational level, but lay the ground work for a deeper understanding of nonverbals. Not just what certain behaviors tell us but WHY they tell us this, and where nonverbal communication originated from! [Nov 07, 2022] 

     

    00:00 – Intro 

    00:17 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 

    01:10 – Intro Links 

    Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing 

    Adversarial Simulations  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK  CLUTCH  innocentlivesfoundation.org 
    04:01 – The topic of the day: Nonverbal Communication 


    10:25 – Everything comes back to Darwin 

    15:25 – In Utero 

    18:54 – A picture speaks 1000 words 

    20:31 – More "nature" than "nurture" 

    23:20 – Cultural vs Universal Gestures 

    27:17 – Looking at "Intention" 

    32:24 – Linking Non-verbals to Intention 

    36:32 – The Doctor is REALLY in! 

    38:37 – Don't Look Up (or away!) 

    42:35 – Response Behavior 

    46:58 – Neuroception - Trust your gut! 

    53:48 – The Takeaway 

    56:04 – Man's Best Friend 

    57:13 – Wrap Up  

    58:53 – Book Recommendations 

    The Expression of the Emotions in Man and Animals – Charles Darwin  What Every BODY is Saying – Joe Navarro  Bodily Communication – Michael Argyle  The Naked Ape – Desmond Morris  Emotions Revealed – Paul Ekman 

    The Dictionary of Body Language – Joe Navarro 
    01:02:34 – Outro 

    www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org 
     


     

    Find us online: 

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a  Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker 

    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy 
     

    Select research: 

    Allen, S. (2018). The science of awe (pp. 58-69). Greater Good Science: John Templeton Foundation. 

    Bargh J, Chartrand T (1999) The unbearable automaticity of being. Am Psychol 54: 462–479. 


    Bousmalis, K., Mehu, M., & Pantic, M. (2013). Towards the automatic detection of spontaneous agreement and disagreement based on nonverbal behaviour: A survey of related cues, databases, and tools. Image and vision computing, 31(2), 203-221. 

    Bryant, G. A. (2020). Evolution, structure, and functions of human laughter. In The handbook of communication science and biology (pp. 63-77). Routledge. 

    Chakrabarty, S., Widing, R. E., & Brown, G. (2014). Selling behaviours and sales performance: the moderating and mediating effects of interpersonal mentalizing. Journal of Personal Selling & Sales Management, 34(2), 112-122. 

    Chen M, Bargh JA (1999) Consequences of automatic evaluation: Immediate behavioral predispositions to approach or avoid the stimulus. Pers Soc Psychol B 25: 215–224. 

    Demuru, E., & Giacoma, C. (2022). Interacting primates: the biological roots of human communication. Ethology Ecology & Evolution, 34(3), 201-204. 

    Ekman, P. (1971). Universals and cultural differences in facial expressions of emotion. In Nebraska symposium on motivation. University of Nebraska Press. 

    Ekman, P., & Keltner, D. (1973). Universal facial expressions of emotion. Studia Psychologica, 15(2), 140-147. 

    Gordon, R. A., & Druckman, D. (2018). Nonverbal behaviour as communication: Approaches, issues, and research. In The handbook of communication skills (pp. 81-134). Routledge. 

    Heuer, K., Rinck, M., & Becker, E. S. (2007). Avoidance of emotional facial expressions in social anxiety: The approach–avoidance task. Behaviour research and therapy, 45(12), 2990-3001. 

    Mathis, V., & Kenny, P. J. (2018). Neuroscience: brain mechanis

    • 1 hr 3 min
    Ep. 184 - SE Etc. Series - Ryan Didn't Die with Patrick and Chris

    Ep. 184 - SE Etc. Series - Ryan Didn't Die with Patrick and Chris

    Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Oct 24th, 2022] 

     

    00:00 – Intro 

    00:17 – Patrick Laverty Intro 

    00:58 – Intro Links 

    Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK 

    CLUTCH  innocentlivesfoundation.org 
    03:28 – This month’s dumpster dive: Great Stories 

    04:01 – Oceans 11 1/2: Ryan Didn't Die 

    05:14 – Let the testing begin! 


    06:36 – OSINT & Building a Pretext 

    10:06 – Never lose focus of your SCOPE 

    11:52 – Stay with the Pretext! 

    14:53 – Don't Drink & Shred 

    18:36 – Always working 

    19:55 – The Story Continues... 

    29:14 – You can't prepare for Bad Luck 

    35:04 – Being an advocate, not an adversary 

    36:46 – Not quite a clean getaway 

    38:40 – The value of stories 

    40:34 – Coming up next month 

    41:43 – Wrap Up & Outro 

    www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org 
     

     

    Find us online 

    Chris Hadnagy 

    Twitter: @humanhacker  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy 
    Patrick Laverty 
    Twitter: @plaverty9  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9 

     

    • 43 min

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