Doing Theology. Thinking Mission‪.‬ Jackson Wu / Mission ONE

In This Episode, We Talk About:
Defining and applying missional hermeneutics to Biblical text.
Four approaches to read and interpret the scripture missionally, including their advantages and limitations.
How to live faithfully to God and get closer to the universal aspects of scripture.

Resources & Links:
Proposals for a Missional Hermeneutic by GR Hunberger
 
Reading the Bible Missionally by Michael W. Goheen

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Show Notes:
How can we use hermeneutics to see the Bible through new eyes? Today, we are analyzing GR Hunsberger’s Proposals for a Missional Hermeneutic article in order to fully explore four different approaches to interpreting the Bible missionally. We’ll apply these four aspects to a missional reading of scripture as we weigh their individual advantages and disadvantages. What is the difference between interpreting text with missional direction and missional purpose? How does culture and location affect missional hermeneutics? Why is it important to have conversations like these, and what do they achieve? Our goal this episode is to bring you one step closer to missions & missional theology, to the authority of scripture, and to the word of God! Join us in finding different ways to read and enjoy the Bible!

00:00 What are four different approaches to interpreting the Bible missionally?
02:00 How did you interpret the article?
04:30 Defining missional hermeneutics to distinguish “mission” and “missions”.
08:00 Can mission be considered an attribute of God? Why or why not?
12:35 Are Hunsberger’s four hermeneutical approaches sequential?
14:00 How can we use missional direction to interpret the Bible missionally?
17:20 What are the advantages of missio Dei language?
19:20 What is the power of the story?
23:05 How can we read scripture with missional purpose?
26:25 Does this perspective keep us at a self-help level?
28:20 Analyzing the link between missional purpose and missional story.
31:35 How is the Bible interpreted with cultural context?
35:00 Does this give people permission to ask non-interpretive questions outside of their community?
37:00 What is the effect of community, culture, and location on Biblical interpretation?
39:45 What is limiting about localizing interpretation?
43:40 How does the Bible engage culture?
46:25 What is the difference between this approach and the first approach? 
49:50 How does having various perspectives and interpretations bring us closer to the universal demands of scripture?
51:45 Why do conversations like these help us in missions?
53:35 How does this conversation reinforce the authority of scripture relative to the mission of the church?
55:15 What book do we recommend for more missional hermeneutics?

In This Episode, We Talk About:
The difference between systematic theology and Biblical theology, and its impact within the church of India.
Biblical theology in missions of the church in India.
Contrasting and intersecting linear thinking versus cyclical thinking.
Effective gospel contextualization in the context of culture in India.

Resources & Links:

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Show Notes:
Are you ready for a trip around the world? This episode features Dr. Bobby Gupta, the President of the Hindustan Bible Institute and College, here to share in our conversation of contextualization, missions, and theology in the church of India. Our podcast today will focus on the contrast between systematic theology and Biblical theology and its impact within the church in India. What does the church in India look like? Why has Biblical theology played such a crucial role in disciplining India? What is the response to Biblical theology in India?
 
Afterwards, we explore effective gospel contextualization in the context of Indian culture, and its role in spreading the word of God in India. Along the way, we’ll discuss indigenizing missions in the church of India, linear thinking versus cyclical thinking, the challenges of spreading theology in Eastern nations, and much more! Join us as we figure out the key to discipling the nations!

0:00:00 Meet today’s special guest, the President of the Hindustan Bible Institute and College with a PhD in Intercultural Studies from Fuller Seminaries, Dr. Bobby Gupta!
0:03:30 What is the story of Bobby Gupta?
0:08:10 What is the profile of diversity in India?
0:10:20 How can we engage with unreached peoples in India?
0:14:00 What are the strengths and weaknesses of the church in India?
0:16:50 How would you define systematic theology?
0:20:30 How would you define Biblical theology?
0:25:10 Mission ONE midroll ad.
0:26:15 What category do most systematic theologies start with?
0:29:00 Why was the contrast between Biblical and systematic theology key to discipling India?
0:33:15 Linear thinking versus cyclical thinking.
0:37:20 What is the intersection of linearity and cycles within the Bible?
0:40:15 How have you seen the word of God impact someone from a Hindu background?
0:46:10 How does Biblical theology relate to effective gospel contextualization?
0:48:25 What are some examples of this?
0:51:15 Why is effective gospel contextualization beginning from Biblical theology crucial in the context of India?
0:55:15 What has been the response to Biblical theology in India?
1:00:20 What are the challenges of spreading theology in Indian culture?
1:04:30 What is essential to healthy contextualization?
 

In This Episode, We Talk About:
Contextualization of Paul’s letter to Romans.
Collective identities, status, and individualism in Biblical context and within our modern day world.
Honor-shame dynamics of collective identity.

Resources & Links:
Reading Romans with Eastern Eyes by Jackson Wu
 
Defending Shame by Te-Li Lau
 
Reading Romans Backwards by Scot McKnight
 
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Show Notes:
How did Paul reframe humanity’s universal problem in his letter to Romans? Today we’ll be taking a lens to Romans in order to contextualize the text for the present day. We’ll break down all the ways that Paul relativized, reframed, and re-narrated ideas of collective identity and status within Romans. Then, we use this perspective to explore status & identity in our modern culture in comparison to the Biblical world. Join us for a compelling journey of contextualization throughout Romans!

00:50 How does Paul frame his letters to the Romans? 
03:05 Why is Paul’s mission to Spain the driving force behind his letter?
05:20 How did the Greeks dishonor God through their prejudice against barbarians?
07:00 Where does status come from?
09:15 How does Paul renarrate status and collective identity?
12:30 Why is it helpful to understand collective identity status in Biblical context?
15:35 What is the common dynamic between Romans 3:9 and 10:12?
17:15 What is Paul trying to say about collective identity?
19:15 Honor-shame values within collective identity.
23:00 What makes status and identity challenging in our own culture?
25:45 Polarization in the modern world and in the Bible.
29:05 What is the universal problem of humanity? How does Paul reframe this in Romans?
31:55 What leads to eternal life in Romans 2?
34:30 What other resources merge missions and theology in Romans?

In This Episode, We Talk About:
Honor-shame values during the time of Christ.
The meaning of relativization, and the positive impact of Jesus relativizing the family.
The significance behind transforming our values.
How Mark reverses honor and shame during the climax of Jesus’s death.
Identifying honor-shame reversal and its patterns in the gospel and other texts.

Resources & Links:
Family Relations in the Gospel of Mark by Narry F. Santos
 
Reading Romans with Eastern Eyes by Jackson Wu
 
Honor, Shame, and the Gospel by Christopher Flanders
 
Misreading Scripture with Individualist Eyes by E. Randolph Richards
 
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Meet Narry:
Narry F. Santos is Assistant Professor of Practical Ministry and Intercultural Leadership at the seminary of Tyndale University in Toronto, Canada and Vice President of the Evangelical Missiological Society Canada. He completed a PhD in New Testament from Dallas Theological Seminary (1994) and another PhD in Philippine Studies (including anthropology and psychology) from the University of the Philippines (2006). He wrote several books, including Family Relations in the Gospel of Mark (Peter Lang) and Slave of All: The Paradox of Authority and Servanthood in the Gospel of Mark (Sheffield Academic Press), edited books like Mission and Evangelism in a Secularizing World: Academy, Agency, and Assembly Perspectives from Canada (Pickwick Publications), and contributed chapters in edited books and academic journals. He currently serves as part-time Senior Pastor of Greenhills Christian Fellowship (GCF) Peel and GCF York. He recently planted Saddleback South Manila and was its pastor for three years. Before Saddleback Church, he ministered at GCF in different pastoral responsibilities for 20 years, including helping plant six churches in Canada and four in the Philippines
 
Show Notes:
How did Mark reverse honor and shame during the death of Jesus? To answer this question, Dr. Narry Santos will be joining us today to help us better understand honor and shame during the time of Christ. Dr. Santos has two PhDs, one in the New Testament and another in Philippine Studies, and currently works as the Assistant Professor of Practical Ministry and Intercultural Leadership at Tyndale University. He will utilize his knowledge to break down and examine the dynamic of honor-shame as presented in the gospel, and how Mark reverses honor and shame during the climax of his chapters. We will also speak on relativization versus the natural family, the transformation of values, and how to identify honor-shame reversal and its patterns. Join us as we take a look at how the New Testament reverses shame to bring honor to God!

0:00:00 Meet Dr. Narry Santos, Assistant Professor of Practical Ministry and Intercultural Leadership at Tyndale University and Vice President of the Evangelical Missiological Society!
0:02:20 Who is your family?
0:04:40 How do your two PhDs influence your work?
0:07:25 What are some key points in your journey of learning about honor and shame?
0:09:20 What were your motivations for writing your second book?
0:10:30 How does your methodology differ from other works on honor-shame?
0:13:00 What is the thesis of your book? How can it be misinterpreted?
0:15:25 Explaining the ethical side of honor.
0:17:15 What were the honor-shame values during the time of Christ?
0:19:10 Understanding the phrase “blood is thicker than water” from an honor-shame perspective.
0:20:30 What does “relativizing” mean? How does it relate to Chapter 3 of Mark?
0:24:30 How does the ingroup language mark relations?
01:25:40 Is Jesus advocating we throw away our natural family?
0:28:30 Why is Jesus relativizing the family actually good for the family?
0:30:10 How did Jesus relativize family honor in Chapter 1 of Mark?
0:32:45 The practical effects of relativization.
0:35:45 What is the significance of the transformation of our values?

In This Episode, We Talk About:
Honor-shame culture in the Muslim world and how Jesus speaks to it.
What the roles of men and women within the honor-shame paradigm are.
The culture of “fixing” identity, such as covering, denial, and purging.
Identifying different types of honor, including counterfeit honor, ascribed honor, and real honor.

Resources & Links:
Covered Glory by Audrey Frank
 
Try Me, I Am Jesus by Syed Ibn Seyd
 
Defying Jihad by Esther Ahmad
 
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Meet  Audrey:
Audrey Frank is an author, speaker, and true-story teller. She and her family have spent over 20 years serving Muslims overseas and the in the US. Audrey is a popular international speaker on the honor-shame worldview and its impact on the Muslim woman’s journey to Christ. She trains women and men in the global mission community to engage the unreached with the Gospel of Christ. Audrey has a BS in Communication Disorders, an MA in Speech-Language Pathology, and a BA in Biblical and Intercultural Studies, but her greatest credential is that she is known and loved by the One who made her

Show Notes:
How does Jesus speak in Muslim culture? To find out, we have guest author and speaker, Audrey Frank, who spent over two decades serving Muslims internationally and within the US! She will be sharing her experience living overseas in Muslim communities in order to give us a clear understanding of the honor-shame dynamic. What does honor-shame culture look like overseas? What is the role of men and women within this paradigm? How is it different from a Western point of view?
 
We’ll explore various types of honor, including how to identify counterfeit honor, define ascribed honor, find achieved honor, and understand real honor. Then, we’ll also talk about the impact of Jesus and scripture on Muslim communities, especially within the hearts and minds of Muslim women. How do Muslims view their relationship with God? What is the effect of this on the way they view and uphold honor-shame? Find out how the voice of God speaks to all of us, here and on the other side of the world!

00:00 Meet Audrey Frank, author and international speaker who has spent over 20 years serving and working with Muslims worldwide!
03:35 What made you change your worldview on Muslim culture?
05:45 Honor-shame in Muslim communities.
07:15 What was your first moment of spiritual solidarity among women?
11:20 When did you realize your stories were all woven together? 
15:00 What was your experience with shame overseas?
16:30 How would you describe positional shame?
19:15 Fixing identity within honor-shame culture.
25:20 What roles do men and women play in the honor-shame paradigm?
28:30 How can women gain honor?
30:40 How do Muslims understand sin and the relationship between God?
33:45 What is the impact of the story of Mary and Joseph on Muslim communities?
35:40 What is counterfeit honor and how do we identify it?
38:10 How does Jesus speak to honor and shame in the Muslim world?
42:10 What is ascribed honor?
45:05 How did Jesus restoring the woman in the Bible relate to your real life experiences?
47:30 Removing social and theological obstacles in your relationship to God.
49:55 How does Jesus cleanse us?
53:30 What resources would you recommend?

In this episode, we talk about:
Mina’s refugee journey from Afghanistan to America. 
What she sees as a future for her people. 
A clearer picture on Afghanistan history.

Resources & Links:
Dancing in the Mosque: An Afghan Mother’s Letter to her Son by Homeira Qaderi
 
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Show Notes:
In this episode, we meet an Afghan refugee named Mina, who currently attends ASU. Mina shares about her upbringing in Afghanistan. She shares her educational experiences and the culture of her people. She explains the history of her country and the current state of affairs. Mina tells her story of coming to America from Afghanistan and what it’s been like to be immersed in a new culture and country. 
 
This conversation is so important to clear up misconceptions that Americans may have about Afgani people because the news and media isn’t able to portray the full picture of what has been happening in Afghanistan. This conversation is also important to educate people on ways we can listen and learn from each other. There are ways to support and help refugees, but most importantly, we can love them, pray for them, be their friend, and keep sharing and learning from one another.
 
0:00:30-Mina’s Intro.
0:02:00-What was it like to grow up in Afghanistan?  
0:02:30- What type of education did she receive?
0:02:45- What was your University experience?
0:03:30- How was your education affected by Covid in 2020?
0:04:25- How did things escalate to chaos so quickly with the pandemic & the peace negotiation in Afghanistan? 
0:06:00-What precautions were taken to protect the girls?
0:09:00- What precautions did people take to protect their families from the Taliban and how did it backfire on them?
0:10:45- Why would the Taliban disapprove of artwork?
0:14:00- What does the Quran teach about artwork & how are its teachings different from the Taliban’s beliefs? 
0:15:45- How does being a minority in Afghan society increase your risk for conflict with the Taliban?
0:16:00-How many ethnic tribes, different  languages, & religious beliefs are there in Afghanistan?
0:17:50- What is the relationship between the Pashtuns and Hazaras?
0:20:50- Who does the name/Title of Afghans apply to?
0:21:35- What has been the result of the ongoing war of 35+ years? 
0:22:30- Where did most of the Hazaras go to escape the war or as a result of the war?
0:23:30- When was slavery aboloished of the Hazaras people?
0:24:45- What caused the civil war?
0:25:00- What has been the result of the civil war for the Hazaras people?
0:26:30- Why is education a top priority for Hazaras families?
0:29:15- What was the only option for Hazaras’ children?
0:29:40- What misconceptions do Americans have about Afghan women?
0:32:30- What are the differences in daily life in Afghanistan since the Taliban took over? 
0:37:15- How did the Taliban recently trick the Afghan women?
0:39:45- What are the practical effects of women’s rights being taken away?
0:45:00- What has been happening in the Hazaras community educational centers and why?
0:46:30- What has been the political analysis on girls and education since the Taliban permitted them to attend schools again?
0:49:30- What dreams do you have for yourself and your country? What hope do you have?
0:51:15-Who is carrying out this genocide against the Hazaras community?
0:52:15- What do you want Americans to know about Afghanistan?
0:56:15- How can people help refugees?