The IT Experts Podcast Ian Luckett - The MSP Growth Hub

Fiona has spent over 25 years in the IT industry, with 16 of those years dedicated to running a successful sales training company. Two years ago, she took a step back from the industry, driven by personal milestones and a desire for change. Her son leaving for university provided her with a quiet house and a moment to reflect on her life and career. She realised that she was bored and needed to find a new passion. This led her to immerse herself in the world of entrepreneurship, working extensively with female entrepreneurs outside the MSP industry. This break rejuvenated her and equipped her with fresh perspectives and strategies that she now brings back to the MSP community. 

During our conversation, Fiona and I discussed the importance of getting back into the flow of your business. Flow, as Fiona describes, is about doing what you love and what energises you. It’s crucial for MSP owners to identify their strengths and passions to stay motivated and productive. Fiona emphasises the need to align your business with your personal values and strengths. She suggests using tools like the Gallup StrengthsFinder and the VIA Character Strengths Test to understand what puts you in your flow. For Fiona, speaking and engaging with people is her flow, whereas technical tasks and social media posts are not. 

We also talked about the importance of giving yourself permission to pivot and course-correct in your business. If you find yourself stuck or unfulfilled, it’s essential to reassess and make changes that align with your passions and lifestyle goals. Fiona shared that even if it means stepping back from certain roles or delegating tasks, it’s vital to ensure you’re doing what you enjoy. This not only brings back your energy but also positively impacts your business’s success. 

Mindset plays a significant role in an MSP owner's journey. Fiona highlights the need to overcome limiting beliefs that can hold you back. These beliefs often stem from past experiences and can manifest as thoughts like “I’m not worthy” or “I’m not enough.” Recognising and reprogramming these beliefs is crucial. Fiona suggests that awareness is the first step – identifying when these beliefs come up, especially during stressful or challenging times. By shifting your mindset to focus on possibilities and potential, you can break through these barriers and unlock new levels of growth and success. 

Fear is another major factor that can block success. Fiona advises MSP owners to not let fear drive their business decisions. Instead, they should focus on what they desire and align themselves with that vision. This shift in energy and mindset can significantly impact the business’s trajectory. She encourages owners to ask themselves, “What if it works?” and to stay hungry and passionate about their goals. 

Throughout the episode, Fiona shared her personal experiences of stepping out of her comfort zone and the benefits it brought to her life and business. She reminded us that it’s essential to enjoy the journey, not just the destination. By focusing on personal growth and aligning your business with your passions, you can create a fulfilling and successful MSP. 

You can connect with Fiona Challis through her LinkedIn profile HERE 

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

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To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you soon!   

We kicked off the conversation by exploring how the MSP sector is currently valued at a staggering $548 billion, with an annual growth rate of 12%. This growth is particularly significant given the challenging global economic environment. Jay emphasised that the demand for managed services continues to rise, with 82% of businesses now outsourcing some or all of their IT needs. This shift marks a dramatic increase from a decade ago when only 30% of companies outsourced IT services.

One of the key drivers behind this surge in demand is cybersecurity. Jay pointed out that even the largest banks and government institutions have admitted that they cannot manage cybersecurity alone. This has led to a growing reliance on MSPs, making cybersecurity a fundamental component of their service offerings. As the threat landscape becomes more complex, the need for specialised managed security services is paramount.

Jay also highlighted the significant generational shift in the MSP market. Millennials, who are now the majority buyers of technology services, have different expectations and buying behaviours compared to previous generations. They prefer digital-first or digital-only interactions and are more comfortable with subscription and consumption-based models. This demographic change requires a shift in how MSPs approach their clients, focusing more on seamless integration and user-friendly solutions.

The conversation then turned to the impact of AI on the MSP sector. Jay noted that AI is not a standalone product but a feature that enhances various aspects of technology services. He provided a fascinating perspective on how AI is evolving at an unprecedented pace, with each iteration becoming exponentially more powerful. This rapid advancement means that AI is becoming an integral part of many software solutions that MSPs use and manage. 

However, Jay cautioned MSPs against rushing to get certified in AI technologies prematurely. He suggested that while AI holds tremendous potential, its immediate application for MSPs will be more about internal optimisation rather than client-facing services. MSPs can leverage AI to improve their marketing, sales, customer support, and operational efficiency. He believes the true managed services opportunities related to AI, particularly at the edge where most data reside, are still a couple of years away. 

We also discussed the evolving nature of vendor relationships in the MSP space. Jay shared a candid view on the role of private equity in scaling MSP tools and platforms. As MSPs grow, they often find themselves transitioning from family-run businesses to larger, more corporate entities. This shift can lead to changes in how MSPs interact with their vendors, moving from personal relationships to more structured, professional engagements. Jay advised MSPs to remain flexible and open to adapting their toolsets as the industry evolves.

A significant takeaway from our discussion was the importance of building robust ecosystems and partnerships. Jay encouraged MSPs to engage with various stakeholders, including digital agencies, accountants, and other tech service providers, to create a comprehensive support network. By doing so, MSPs can tap into new business opportunities and enhance their service offerings.

Feel free to connect with Jay McBain through his LinkedIn HERE 

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

OR  

To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you

Julie Hutchison joins us to simplify the concept of selling for those who find it intimidating. We start by addressing a common misconception: the belief that technical expertise and selling are mutually exclusive. Julie emphasises that selling isn’t about having the gift of the gab or being inherently extroverted. Instead, it’s about understanding the needs of your clients and offering solutions that add value to their businesses. This mindset shift is crucial for MSPs who typically feel uncomfortable with sales conversations. 

One of the key takeaways from our discussion is the importance of being "interested" rather than "interesting." Julie explains that the crux of selling lies in understanding your client's pain points and addressing them effectively. Rather than overwhelming clients with technical details, focus on asking the right questions to uncover their needs. This approach not only builds rapport but also positions you as a problem solver rather than a salesperson. 

Julie Hutchison shares tips for practising these skills. She suggests starting with role-playing exercises within your team to build confidence. By simulating sales scenarios, you can refine your questioning techniques and become more comfortable with the sales process. Additionally, she recommends engaging with a friendly client to test your new approach. Framing it as a way to improve your service can make clients more receptive and supportive, turning the exercise into a mutually beneficial experience. 

Another significant point Julie highlights is the need to address the client's pain. She advises not to shy away from digging deeper into the client's issues to understand the full impact on their business. This method not only clarifies the value of your solution but also helps the client see the urgency and importance of addressing their problem. By identifying and emphasising the gap between their current situation and their desired outcome, you make your service an invaluable asset. 

We also discuss the concept of self-worth in selling. Many MSPs struggle with pricing and undervalue their services because they lack confidence. Julie Hutchison stresses the importance of recognising the value you bring to the table. She encourages MSPs to challenge their limiting beliefs and adopt a value-based approach to their services. This involves understanding the cost of the client's problem and positioning your solution as a worthwhile investment. 

One practical tip Julie offers is to compile a list of open-ended questions that can help uncover client needs. These questions should focus on understanding the client's current situation, the challenges they face, and the impact of these challenges on their business. By practising these questions, you can develop a natural and effective way of steering conversations towards identifying solutions. 

Throughout the episode, Julie Hutchison reiterates the importance of practice. Selling is a skill that can be developed with consistent effort. She advises setting aside time regularly to practice with colleagues or even clients. This not only hones your skills but also builds your confidence, making sales conversations feel more natural and less daunting.
By shifting your mindset, focusing on client needs, and practising regularly, you can transform your approach to sales. Remember, it’s not about being a stereotypical salesperson; it’s about being a trusted advisor who provides valuable solutions. 

And to help you learn more about selling and getting more from your existing clients, listen to this episode with Stuart Warwick.  

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more

Mark Stevens' story begins in the quaint town of Melton Mowbray, known for its pork pies and Stilton cheese, but today, it's also becoming known for Mark1 IT Solutions. Mark's journey is a testament to the challenges and triumphs faced by many in the MSP sector. Joining us on the podcast, Mark openly shares the hurdles he encountered when transitioning from a traditional break-fix IT support mentality to a managed services provider (MSP) model, a shift that required significant changes in both mindset and operations. 

During our discussion, Mark Stevens candidly discusses how his business, which he had been leading for about seven years, had only recently begun to identify as an MSP. This shift came with its own set of challenges, particularly as the business approached the COVID-19 pandemic. The pandemic initially brought a surge in demand for Mark1 IT Solutions' services as businesses scrambled to set up remote work capabilities. However, the reliance on project-based income soon proved unstable, leading Mark to seek external guidance and support. 

What makes Mark Stevens' story so impactful is his openness about the personal and professional growth necessary to navigate his business through turbulent times. He shares that a major turning point came when he engaged with various communities and resources, such as CompTIA and Tech Tribe, and eventually our MSP growth hub. This engagement not only broadened his perspective but also embedded him deeper into the MSP community, facilitating a collaborative and supportive environment that was crucial for his development. 

Mark's journey is filled with learning experiences, from understanding the importance of monthly recurring revenue to embracing the MSP model fully. He explains how adopting new operational frameworks and focusing on self-development, including insights gained from reading "The Chimp Paradox," helped him reshape his approach to business management. This reshaping was not just about business strategies but also about personal growth, tackling challenges like ego and imposter syndrome that many business owners face. 

A significant part of our conversation highlights the value of reaching out for help and how this has been instrumental in Mark Stevens' success. He emphasises the importance of getting out of your own way, a phrase that resonated with him deeply and one that he credits for much of his recent business achievements. This concept of self-awareness and stepping back to allow professional support to guide his decisions has led to substantial improvements in both the operational efficiency and profitability of Mark1 IT Solutions. 

Today, Mark1 IT Solutions is not only surviving but thriving, with plans to expand the team further and reach new heights in terms of revenue and service quality. Mark Stevens attributes much of this success to the support structures and networks he has embraced, underscoring the importance of community and expert guidance in the MSP industry. 

For any MSPs out there feeling stuck or unsure of the next steps, Mark Stevens' story is a powerful reminder of the strength found in vulnerability and the success that comes from seeking help. His journey is a clear illustration of how transformative it can be to get out of your own way and allow structured, expert guidance to lead the way in scaling your business. 

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

OR  

To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up

Stuart discusses how often, in MSPs, conflict arises not because of big strategic disagreements but because of the minutiae—the small details that can become significant stumbling blocks. He emphasises the importance of rising above the 'weeds' of these details to gain a clearer, broader perspective of the business goals. This approach, he explains, helps in realigning team members by focusing on the overarching destination rather than the specific routes or modes of transport, be they Porsches, BMWs, or trucks! 

One of the key takeaways from our discussion is the importance of defining what success looks like for both the business and individual roles within it. Stuart pressesemphasises on the significanceimportance of clear communication and setting agreed-upon targets to prevent the cycle of misalignment and frustration that can occur when team members are not on the same page. He also touches on the emotional aspect of these disagreements, pointing out that underlying many conflicts is a fundamental lack of trust or fear of relinquishing control. 

Moreover, Stuart also provides practical strategies for MSP leaders to implement when disagreements arise. He suggests 'chunking up' the conversation to a higher level where the focus is more on what unites rather than divides the team. This method involves stepping back to reassess the primary business objectives and ensuring that all discussions are anchored to these goals. 

Trust, Stuart reiterates, is the bedrock of any successful partnership. He challenges MSP leaders to introspect consider whether the lack of trust is a personal reluctance to delegate or a broader issue within the team dynamics. In cases where trust is lacking, he advises a proactive approach—engaging in open dialoguesconversations about responsibilities, expected outcomes, and the paths to achieving them. This not only clarifies roles but also reinforces the shared commitment to the business’s success. 

In addition to alignment and trust, Stuart stresses the importance of adaptability within the MSP industry. The ability to pivot and embrace new strategies when traditional ones fail is crucial for growth and sustainability. By integrating the vehicle tree concept, MSP leaders can more easily navigate through the complexities of business management, ensuring that every level of the organisation is aligned with the strategic vision. 

Our conversation with Stuart once again proves invaluable, offering MSP business owners practical advice and strategies to tackle some of the most challenging aspects of leadership and team management. This episode is a must-listen for anyone involved in an MSP looking to enhance their operational harmony and drive their business towards greater profitability and success. 

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

OR  

To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you soon!   

Our conversation kicked off with Rachel sharing highlights from her recent talk at CompTIA, stressing the importance of self-care in the busy world of IT and business. Rachel emphasized that looking after yourself isn't just about avoiding illness—it's about improving your quality of life. Rachel Williams believes a holistic approach to wellness, focusing on improving overall health and extending the health span alongside the lifespan. 

Rachel shared her personal journey towards wellness, an inspiring story that highlighted her shift from approaching burnout to becoming fitter than she’s ever been. This personal journey gave birth to her business, Zest Lifestyle, where she uses her extensive knowledge and experience to help individuals and teams foster environments that prioritize health and happiness. 

A large portion of our discussion was dedicated to understanding what 'good health' truly looks like. According to Rachel Williams, good health is not merely the absence of illness but a vibrant state of physical, mental, and emotional well-being. She introduced listeners to the five pillars of self-care that are central to her practice: sleep, diet, movement, mental well-being, and rest. Each element is crucial in its own right but works together to create a balanced and healthy lifestyle. 

Sleep came up as the cornerstone of good health. Rachel pointed out that many overlook its importance, but it is during sleep that our bodies undergo repair and rejuvenation. She linked inadequate sleep to a plethora of health issues, from reduced cognitive function to impaired metabolism, stressing the importance of quality sleep as a non-negotiable pillar of health. 

On diet, Rachel Williams was keen to debunk the myths surrounding restrictive diets, which often lead to unsustainable health choices. Instead, she champions the 80/20 rule—eating healthily 80% of the time and allowing for indulgences in moderation. This approach not only makes the diet sustainable but also enjoyable, which is crucial for long-term maintenance. 

Movement, another pillar of self-care, goes beyond traditional exercise. Rachel encourages finding joy in physical activity, whether it’s walking, dancing, yoga, or more structured gym workouts. The key is consistency and enjoyment, which significantly enhances the likelihood of maintaining an active lifestyle. 

Mental well-being, often overshadowed in discussions around physical health, was highlighted as vital. Stress management, mindfulness, and emotional health are all aspects that Rachel touches upon frequently, underscoring their importance on our overall health. Tools like meditation apps and mindful practices are ways Rachel suggests maintaining positive mental health. 

Lastly, the concept of rest, distinct from sleep, was discussed. Rachel Williams explains that rest involves activities that recharge and rejuvenate the spirit, which can vary from passive activities like reading to active ones like hiking or exploring. 

Throughout the episode, Rachel Williams reiterated the importance of self-care, not just for personal health but as a strategy to enhance productivity and satisfaction in both personal and professional realms. Her insights not only provide effective strategies for self-care but also equipped our listeners with practical steps to take control of their health and well-being. 

We wrapped up the episode with Rachel sharing how to get in touch with her for those interested in learning more about self-care or implementing her principles into their lives or workplaces. For more insights and daily health tips, Rachel can be reached through her website, Zest Lifestyle, and her social media platforms. 

Remember, taking responsibility for your health starts with you, and it's never too late to start looking after yourself. 

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