Late Night Science

Axel Schumacher
Late Night Science

A show about the wonders of science, spreading the word about the way of acquiring knowledge that has characterized our species development since the 17th century. It is an entertaining - in-depth - podcast, a mix of TED talk and late-night show. The show is hosted by renowned geneticist, futurologist, and author Dr. Axel Schumacher, and one or more co-hosts, such as UK scientist Dr. Darrol Baker. Each episode will also include a wide array of guests, researchers, entrepreneurs, and innovators from the science space, and after that, it's anyone's guess what will happen in each show.

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  1. 2021-11-14

    Episode #009 - Not your average Longevity - with Dmitry Kaminskiy

    Today we discuss how to live longer, longevity escape velocity, ethics of longevity, and the longevity industry.  Your host of this episode is: Geneticist and Futurologist Dr. Axel Schumacher (@MethyLogix). Our Guest tonight: Dmitry Kaminskiy, an innovative entrepreneur and investor active in the fields of Longevity, Precision Medicine, and Artificial Intelligence. He is co-founder and managing partner at Deep Knowledge Ventures, a leading investment fund focused on DeepTech, renowned for its use of sophisticated analytical systems for investment target identification and due diligence.  He is a frequent speaker on AI and Longevity, and was actively involved in the work of the initiative group, and was instrumental at the initial stage of the launch of Longevity International CIC, the secretariat for the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Longevity in the UK Parliament. He now serves as co-director of the secretariat, overseeing the Longevity International’s cooperation development division. Deep Knowledge Ventures Investment Fund and its analytical subsidiary Deep Knowledge Analytics are particularly active in the AI for Drug Discovery sector, starting with its 2014 seed investment in industry leader Insilico Medicine, whereas the Pharma Division of Deep Knowledge Analytics has become the unparalleled leader of deep quantitative analysis of the AI for Drug Discovery sector. Aging Analytics Agency is the Longevity-focused analytical subsidiary of Deep Knowledge Ventures and currently serves as the Longevity, Preventive Precision Medicine and Economics of Aging data analytics source for the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Longevity. Dmitry’s $1 million USD prize for the first person to reach their 123rd birthday went viral and was widely covered by the world’s top media. The current lifespan record is 122.5 years, achieved by Jeanne Calment in 1997, which has remained unchanged despite the tremendous advances in biomedicine and in our understanding of the aging process that has occurred since that time. Kaminskiy chose to launch this prize in order to promote Healthy Longevity, and to motivate people to maximize their own Healthy Longevity.  Dmitry adheres to the principle of “Impact Investing” in all his business activities, believing that business should intentionally make a significant impact for social good. He operates according to the maxim that business should be aligned with societal good and humanitarianism, and his activities in both business and the non-profit sector are aimed at the shared goal of advancing exponential and disruptive technologies to accelerate positive paradigm shifts in finance, healthcare, and AI. His newest book, ‘Biomarkers of Human Longevity’ is available here: https://www.longevity-book.com/biomarkers Please help us make this podcast and science show a success. It means a lot to our community. Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or iTunes, leave a review, and tell the world about the show on Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, and Twitter. Give us likes and share the content if you like it.  The world needs more science and fewer alternative facts!  If you liked the show, please consider leaving a tip to support the show:  BTC: 3FoLc7Gax4oJNAq6qkJH1UT8oCx7FT7DfN  ADA: Ae2tdPwUPEZEXm5n2YoVLuxpXqNcqrq3Vy6QXYoYMLqAT6jvw4PehXi1M5i (min 2)  USDT: TJ29ofqRGPn1GG3Pt7GtZMfSTAe8x8rmwh (Tron/TRC20) SOL: D8SMjcRFNThVCA1rCryFDRVJEU4zbLEjBrPNtxkF9r94 FTM: 0x584F960249b824A5Deb95B2D336CA583Ce46C737 LTC: La8hJ1oP8ZkCjhrN49JC4ksWhnW9Ekrygz Hashtag: #latenightscience  If you want to support the show, get in contact at: latenightsciencepodcast@gmail.com  Follow the show on Twitter: @ScienceLate  Live long and prosper!

    7 min
  2. Episode #008 - Only here for the age reversal - with Prof. George Church

    2021-11-14

    Episode #008 - Only here for the age reversal - with Prof. George Church

    Today we discuss age reversal, can we live forever, plant-based meats, the resurrecting of the Woolly mammoth, and climate change resilience.  Your hosts of this episode are: Geneticist and Futurologist Dr. Axel Schumacher (@MethyLogix), and scientist and innovation expert Dr. Darrol Baker (@darrolb)  Our Guest tonight: The 'father of genome sequencing' Prof. George Church. George is a Professor of Genetics at Harvard Medical School and Professor of Health Sciences and Technology at Harvard and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He is Director of the U.S. Department of Energy Technology Center and Director of the National Institutes of Health Center of Excellence in Genomic Science. He has received numerous awards including the 2011 Bower Award and Prize for Achievement in Science from the Franklin Institute and election to the National Academy of Sciences and Engineering. George leads Synthetic Biology at the Wyss Institute, where he oversees the directed evolution of molecules, polymers, and whole genomes to create new tools with applications in regenerative medicine and bio-production of chemicals. Among his recent work at the Wyss is the development of a technology for synthesizing whole genes, and engineering whole genomes, far faster, more accurate, and less costly than current methods. George is widely recognized for his innovative contributions to genomic science and his many pioneering contributions to chemistry and biomedicine. In 1984, he developed the first direct genomic sequencing method, which resulted in the first genome sequence (the human pathogen, H. pylori). He helped initiate the Human Genome Project in 1984 and the Personal Genome Project in 2005. George invented the broadly applied concepts of molecular multiplexing and tags, homologous recombination methods, and array DNA synthesizers. His many innovations have been the basis for a number of companies including the HLTH Network (blockchain & precision medicine), Editas (Gene therapy); Gen9bio (Synthetic DNA); and Veritas Genetics (full human genome sequencing).  George’s latest book (English):  Regenesis: How Synthetic Biology Will Reinvent Nature and Ourselves: https://amzn.to/2V6svCP In Regenesis, George Church and science writer Ed Regis explore the possibilities of the emerging field of synthetic biology. Synthetic biology, in which living organisms are selectively altered by modifying substantial portions of their genomes, allows for the creation of entirely new species of organisms. These technologies, far from the out-of-control nightmare depicted in science fiction have the power to improve human and animal health, increase our intelligence, enhance our memory, and even extend our life span. A breathtaking look at the potential of this world-changing technology, Regenesis is nothing less than a guide to the future of life.  If you love science… Please help us make this podcast and science show a success. It means a lot to our community. Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or iTunes, leave a review, and tell the world about the show on Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, and Twitter. Give us likes and share the content if you like it.  The world needs more science and fewer alternative facts!  If you liked the show, please consider leaving a tip to support the show:  BTC: 3FoLc7Gax4oJNAq6qkJH1UT8oCx7FT7DfN  ADA: Ae2tdPwUPEZEXm5n2YoVLuxpXqNcqrq3Vy6QXYoYMLqAT6jvw4PehXi1M5i (min 2)  Hashtag: #latenightscience  If you want to support the show, get in contact at: latenightsciencepodcast@gmail.com  Follow the show on Twitter: @ScienceLate  Live long and prosper!

    2 tim 23 min
  3. Episode #007 - The passionate pursuit of forensics - with Dr. Mark Benecke

    2021-06-18

    Episode #007 - The passionate pursuit of forensics - with Dr. Mark Benecke

    In this podcast, we go deep into the mind of a scientist. Are scientists boring?  Many people think of science as only laws and rules. Many people argue that scientists are cold, antisocial, and dry; maybe they are calculative and rational as if they are less sensitive to emotions.  Purely logical as Mr. Spock? But then, the biggest breakthroughs of our species throughout history occurred when people thought out of the box,  being creative. It was mostly scientists who changed the way we live on this planet.   Your hosts of this episode are Geneticist and Futurologist Dr. Axel  Schumacher (@MethyLogix), and scientist and innovation expert Dr. Darrol  Baker (@darrolb)    Our Guest tonight: The world's best-known forensic scientist: Mark  Benecke, Ph.D., Certified & Sworn In Forensic Biologist from  Cologne/Germany.  Benecke has worked on the identification of Adolf and Eva Hitler's skull and teeth in Moscow and is the only forensic scientist to work on the case of Colombian serial killer and rapist Luis Garavito. Some of his forensic cases have been covered by the National Geographic and the  History Channels. Mark has published over 20 best-selling popular science books about the biology of aging, criminal cases, and forensic biology. He is a member of the editorial board of the Annals of  Improbable Research, and guest editor for Forensic Science Internatio.  Mark is also known as a musician. Using the pseudonym "Belcanto Bene",  Mark was a member of the German punk band Die Blonden Burschen. In 2011  Mark featured as a vocalist on Sara Noxx's cover of Nick Cave and the  Bad Seeds' song "Where the Wild Roses Grow". In 2020, together with  Bianca Stücker, he published a Leonard Cohen tribute cover album. Mark is also a politician. In 2010, he was a candidate for the office of prime minister for Germany's largest state North Rhine-Westphalia for the satirical political party Die PARTEI. Since 2010, he is Chairman of  Die PARTEI in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia.   Mark’s books (English):  racking down the Culprit (English Edition) Kindle Edition  https://amzn.to/3vbeMGH   Mark’s books (in German):  Mein Leben nach dem Tod: Wie alles began:  https://amzn.to/357HUnG  Kat Menschiks und des Diplom-Biologen Doctor Rerum Medicinalium Mark Beneckes Illustrirtes Thierleben:  https://amzn.to/355L3nZ  Viren für Anfänger: Die wichtigsten Fragen und Antworten zu Corona:  https://amzn.to/2Ti1UkM  Memento Mori: Der Traum vom ewigen Leben:  https://amzn.to/3wfvvu2  Warum Tätowierte mehr Sex haben: und andere Erkenntnisse vom Spaß-Nobelpreis  https://amzn.to/3vcYL37   If you love science… Please help us make this podcast and science show a  success. It means a lot to our community. Subscribe on YouTube,  Spotify, or iTunes, leave a review, and tell the world about the show on  Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, and Twitter.  Give us likes and share the content if you like it. The world needs more science and fewer alternative facts!    Hashtag:  #latenightscience  ​ If you want to support the show, get in contact at: latenightsciencepodcast@gmail.com    Follow the show on Twitter: @ScienceLate  Live long and prosper!

    1 tim 53 min
  4. Episode #006 - Crypto never sleeps - with Helen Disney

    2021-05-01

    Episode #006 - Crypto never sleeps - with Helen Disney

    In this podcast, we discuss how blockchain technology can be used to solve society’s big questions and empower all individuals to reach their maximum potential.  Your hosts of this episode are: Geneticist and Futurologist Dr. Axel Schumacher (@MethyLogix), and scientist and innovation expert Dr. Darrol Baker (@darrolb)  Our Guest tonight: Helen Disney, Expert in Blockchain and Frontier Tech. Content creator | Storyteller | Moderator | Writer  Top 101 Women in blockchain (as produced by Crypto Curry Club), Member of Financial Technologist Founders 50, Listed as one of top 100 Most Inspirational Women in Blockchain and in Women in Fintech Power List 2016 As founder and CEO of Unblocked, a hub for Blockchain education and information, Helen believes that blockchain, distributed ledgers, and cryptocurrencies are changing our world for the better. By teaching people about blockchain she wants to help solve society’s big questions and empower all individuals to reach their maximum potential. Those who don’t understand these technologies will miss out on fundamental opportunities for investment, wealth creation, and social impact. And those who are already harnessing them can grow much faster by telling their tech stories more effectively and meaningfully. Prior to moving into fintech, Helen founded The Stockholm Network, an events and research network of over 120 member organizations across Europe, to connect thought leaders and policy experts and create best practice in public policymaking. Helen is am a regular conference speaker and commentator on cryptocurrencies, Blockchain technology, and innovation policy for organizations including The Economist, The Times, and The Fintech Times. She is a co-founder of the British Blockchain and Frontier Technology Association and a mentor for the Global Thinkers Forum, a non-profit promoting entrepreneurship and women's empowerment.  Unblocked Website: https://un-blocked.co.uk/  If you love science… Please help us make this podcast and science show a success. It means a lot to our community. Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or iTunes, leave a review, and tell the world about the show on Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, and Twitter. Give us likes and share the content if you like it.  The world needs more science and fewer alternative facts!  Hashtag: #latenightscience  If you want to support the show, get in contact at: latenightsciencepodcast@gmail.com  Follow the show on Twitter: @ScienceLate  Live long and prosper!

    6 min
  5. Episode #005 - Blockchain Societyzed - with Dr. Jane Thomason

    2021-03-04

    Episode #005 - Blockchain Societyzed - with Dr. Jane Thomason

    In this podcast, we discuss how blockchain technology can be used for global social change, improving the lives of people.   Our Guest tonight:  Dr. Jane Thomason, Author, Frontier Technology for Social Impact Thought Leader & Futurist.  Jane is a visionary leader and social innovator, with a focus on emerging economies. Advocate for digital transformation to reduce inequality and vulnerability and a move to a human-centered digital economy where we measure value based on people and the planet; to reduce social and economic disparity. Jane is an Industry Associate: University College London, Centre for Blockchain, London, UK; co-Founder of the British Blockchain and Frontier Technology Association; an advisor to Kerala Blockchain Association, the Africa Blockchain Centre of Excellence, GovBlocks, Secure Health Chain, and Novum Insights. She is also Section Chief Editor of “Frontiers in Blockchain”, and a member of the Findexable Data Governance Council.   Jane is a successful CEO and Founder with a successful track record of leadership globally including CEO of tertiary teaching hospital; Chair of the Board of leading private hospital; Senior Social Sector Specialist Asian Development Bank and founder and CEO of a successful international development company which reached $250 million revenue under her leadership.   Your hosts of this episode are: Geneticist and Futurologist Dr. Axel Schumacher (@MethyLogix), and innovation expert Dr. Darrol Baker (@darrolb)   If you are a geneticist you may also want to check out https://www.shivom.io/, our blockchain-powered precision medicine data-sharing platform that allows organizations to share & analyze genetic data (including from Covid-19 patients). The vision of Shivom is to revolutionize healthcare systems, making next-level precision medicine available to all people on earth.    If you love science… Please help us make this podcast and science show a success. It means a lot to our community. Subscribe on YouTube,  Spotify, or iTunes, leave a review, and tell the world about the show on  Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, and Twitter. Give us likes and share the content if you like it.  The world needs more science and fewer alternative facts!    If you want to support the show, get in contact at:  latenightsciencepodcast@gmail.com    Hashtag:  #latenightscience   Follow the show on Twitter: @ScienceLate    More information on the show can be found here: https://bit.ly/3uWuB55

    1 tim 8 min
  6. Episode #004 – Messenger RNA strikes back - with Dr. Ingmar Hoerr

    2021-02-15

    Episode #004 – Messenger RNA strikes back - with Dr. Ingmar Hoerr

    In this podcast, co-hosted and recorded by the A-Factor podcast, we discuss the science of mRNA molecules and the development of mRNA vaccines that can fight Covid-19 and other pandemics. Our Guest: Dr. Ingmar Hoerr, biologist and founder of the German biotechnology unicorn Curevac. He is recognized as the father behind the technology of mRNA-bases vacancies. In 2000 Hoerr published his doctoral thesis entitled RNA vaccine for the induction of specific cytotoxic T-lymphocytes (CTL) and antibodies. In this work, he discovered that ribonucleic acid can be stabilized. This discovery made it easy to use ribonucleic acid for the development of vaccines and immunotherapies. From this key discovery, Ingmar, Steve Pascolo, and Florian von der Mülbe built up a company that is now the most advanced company in the research and development of mRNA-based drugs. mRNA-based drugs can be developed for a huge variety of diseases and infections. Since 2000, "The RNA people" have extensive experience in handling and optimizing the versatile molecule RNA for medical purposes. Ingmar triggered the first-ever clinical human trials in the space of mRNA and laid the foundation for the whole mRNA industry. The company already has several active ingredients in R&D for the treatment of cancer, the protection against infectious diseases and protein replacement. Since Ingmar founded CureVac, he and his colleagues raised approximately $500 million in equity. In total CureVac received funding of about $800 million since its inception. CureVac has entered into various collaborations with multinational corporations and organizations, including agreements with Bayer, GSK, Boehringer Ingelheim, Eli Lilly, Genmab, and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Your hosts of this episode are: Geneticist and Futurologist Dr. Axel Schumacher (@MethyLogix), and Azam Shaghaghi (@AzamShaghaghi) Curevac: https://www.curevac.com The company is pioneering the development of a completely new class of drugs based on messenger RNA (mRNA). The basic principle is the use of this molecule as a data carrier for information, with the help of which the body itself can produce its own active substances to combat various diseases. If you are a researcher you may also want to check out https://www.shivom.io/, our blockchain-powered precision medicine data-sharing platform that allows organizations to share & analyze genetic data (including from Covid-19 patients). The vision of Shivom is to revolutionize healthcare systems, making next-level precision medicine available to all people on earth. If you love science… Please help us make this podcast and science show a success. It means a lot to our community. Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or iTunes, leave a review, and tell the world about the show on Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, and Twitter. Give us likes and share the content if you like it. The world needs more science and fewer alternative facts! If you want to support the show, get in contact at: latenightsciencepodcast@gmail.com Hashtag: #latenightscience Follow the show on Twitter: @ScienceLate

    48 min
  7. Episode #003 - The decentralization machine - with Charles Hoskinson

    2021-02-11

    Episode #003 - The decentralization machine - with Charles Hoskinson

    In this podcast, we discuss the opportunities of decentralization brought by blockchain technology for a sustainable future, to help people work better together, trust one another, and build global solutions to global problems. We discuss how we can go where have to go:  a global society that is secure, transparent, and fair, and which serves the many as well as the few. Like the technological revolutions that have come before, it offers a new template for how we work,  interact, and create, as individuals, businesses, and societies.   Our Guest: Charles Hoskinson, mathematician, co-founder of Ethereum cryptocurrency network, and founder of Cardano, a blockchain platform for changemakers, innovators, and visionaries, with the tools and technologies required to create the possibility for the many, as well as the few, and bring about positive global change. Cardano is a  proof-of-stake blockchain platform: the first to be founded on peer-reviewed research and developed through evidence-based methods. It combines pioneering technologies to provide unparalleled security and sustainability to decentralized applications, systems, and societies.  Charles is also the founder of IOKK, a tech company dedicated to cascading disruption, the idea that most of the structures that form the world’s financial, governance, and social systems are inherently unstable, and thus minor perturbations can cause a ripple effect that fundamentally reconfigures the entire system. IOHK is identifying and developing technology to force these perturbations in order to push towards a more fair and transparent order.   Your hosts of this episode are Geneticist and Futurologist Dr. Axel  Schumacher (@MethyLogix), and scientist and innovation expert Dr. Darrol  Baker (@darrolb)    Links: Cardano: https://cardano.org/  IOHK: https://iohk.io/en/   Cardano Foundation: https://cardanofoundation.org/   ADA: The ADA token is designed to ensure that owners can participate in the operation of the Cardano network. Because of this, those who hold the cryptocurrency have the right to vote on any proposed changes to the software. https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/cardano/    If you are a researcher you may also want to check out https://www.shivom.io/,  our blockchain-powered precision medicine data-sharing platform that allows organizations to share & analyze genetic data. The vision of  Shivom is to revolutionize healthcare systems, making next-level precision medicine available to all people on earth.    If you love science… Please help us make this podcast and science show a  success. It means a lot to our community. Subscribe on YouTube,  Spotify, or iTunes, leave a review, and tell the world about the show on  Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, and Twitter. Give us likes and share the content if you like it. The world needs more science and fewer alternative facts!    Hashtag: #latenightscience  If you want to support the show, get in contact at: latenightsciencepodcast@gmail.com    Follow the show on Twitter: @ScienceLate

    1 tim 4 min
  8. Episode #002 – Behold the power of A.I. - with Dr. Ben Goertzel

    2021-02-02

    Episode #002 – Behold the power of A.I. - with Dr. Ben Goertzel

    In this podcast, we discuss the opportunities of artificial intelligence, particularly Artificial General Intelligence, blockchain, genomics, and the downsides of these technologies. Guest: Dr. Ben Goertzel, (@bengoertzel), a transhumanist, mathematician and is one of the world’s foremost experts in Artificial General Intelligence. He has decades of expertise applying AI to practical problems in areas ranging from natural language processing and data mining to robotics, video gaming, aging, national security, Covid-19, and bioinformatics. Ben is the founder and CEO of SingularityNET, a blockchain-based AI marketplace and chairman of the OpenCog Foundation, a project that aims to build an open-source artificial intelligence framework. Ben was also the Chief Scientist of Hanson Robotics, the company that created Sophia the Robot. Your hosts of this episode are: Dr. Axel Schumacher (@MethyLogix), and Dr. Darrol Baker (@darrolb) SingularityNet: https://singularitynet.io/ SingularityNET lets anyone create, share, and monetize AI services at scale. The world’s first decentralized AI network has arrived. Open Cog Foundation: https://opencog.org/ OpenCog is an open-source software project aimed at directly confronting the AGI challenge, using mathematical and biological inspiration and professional software engineering techniques. If you are a researcher you may also want to check out https://www.shivom.io/​, a precision medicine data-sharing platform that allows organizations to share & analyze genetic data. The vision of Shivom is to revolutionize healthcare systems, making next-level precision medicine available to all people on earth. If you love science… Please help us make this podcast and science show a success. It means a lot to me and our community. Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or iTunes, leave a review, and tell the world about the show on Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, and Twitter. Give us likes and share the content if you like it. The world needs more science and fewer alternative facts! Hashtag: #latenightscience If you want to support the show, get in contact at: latenightsciencepodcast@gmail.com Follow the show on Twitter: @ScienceLate

    1 tim 23 min
  9. Episode #001 - The Data Sharing Conundrum - with Francis P. Crawley

    2021-02-01

    Episode #001 - The Data Sharing Conundrum - with Francis P. Crawley

    In this podcast, we discuss how and why we should share healthcare data,  particularly under public health emergencies, such as an early epidemic. It is fundamental that genetic and other healthcare data is shared across borders in both a timely and accurate manner before the outbreak of a global pandemic. However, as we could witness, although the COVID-19 pandemic has created a tidal wave of data, most patient data is siloed, not easily accessible, and due to low sample size, largely not actionable.    Guest: Francis P. Crawley, Ethicist, and Philosopher. Francis is the Executive Director of the Good Clinical Practice Alliance  – Europe (GCPA) in Brussels, Belgium. He is the founder and Director of the Strategic Initiative for Developing Capacity in Ethical Review  (SIDCER). He coordinates the GCPA-SIDCER European Fellowship in Research  Ethics (EFRE). He is a philosopher who specialized in ethical, legal,  and regulatory issues in health research, having taught at several  European, Asian, and Middle East universities. He is a Data Protection  Officer (DPO) for several European Commission projects. He is a member of the Rapid Data Consortium (RAPIDDA), a VODAN collaborator, and a  member of the COVID-19 Clinical Research Coalition. He is the past  Secretary-General, Ethics Officer, and Chairman of the Ethics Working  Party at the European Forum for Good Clinical Practice. He currently chairs the methodologies sub-group of the Real Word Data Working Group at the Faculty of Pharmaceutical Medicine, Royal Colleges of Physicians.  He has acted as an author or expert for the leading international and  European research ethics and GCP guidelines, as well as for several guidelines in Asia, Africa, the Americas, and Europe.   This show was sponsored by https://www.shivom.io/, a precision medicine data-sharing platform that allows organizations to share & analyze genetic data. The vision of Shivom is to revolutionize healthcare systems, making next-level precision medicine available to all people on earth. You can also watch the full episode with video on YouTube: https://youtu.be/_hSuPJm7I50

    1 tim 51 min

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A show about the wonders of science, spreading the word about the way of acquiring knowledge that has characterized our species development since the 17th century. It is an entertaining - in-depth - podcast, a mix of TED talk and late-night show. The show is hosted by renowned geneticist, futurologist, and author Dr. Axel Schumacher, and one or more co-hosts, such as UK scientist Dr. Darrol Baker. Each episode will also include a wide array of guests, researchers, entrepreneurs, and innovators from the science space, and after that, it's anyone's guess what will happen in each show.

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