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Do you think Larry uses Firefox?
The Compiled History of Gentoo
and How we emerged from the year long journey


0:00 Cold Open
2:44 Mozilla Watch!
24:59 Gentoo - The Early Years
30:30 Gentoo - 1.0 And Beyond
35:20 Gentoo - 2007 to 2014
39:56 Gentoo - 2015 to the Present
45:37 The ENTIRE Gentoo Journey
1:20:49 Next Season?
1:24:52 Stinger


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Mozilla Watch


Mozilla recently announced some planned improvements.


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The History of Gentoo


Stampede Linux
When a system emerged, it was called Enoch
Making a Distro part 2
Sustainability of the project had made its way to the forefront.
Gentoo website ~August 2001
March 3 2002 public facing movement was easily spotted.
March 31 2002, 1.0 was finally released!
The huge influx of new users it encouraged caused bandwidth issues for Gentoo.
August of 2003, 1.4 was released.
Full installation could be completed in under an hour!
2004, marked a change from the dot releases.
2004.0 released February 28, 2004.
Daniel Robbins, the creator and founder, resigns from Gentoo.
Despite that work continued. 2004.1 was released shortly after that news, dot 2 in July and dot 3 in November.
September 2005, the first Gentoo Council was elected.
Daniel Robbins makes his glorious return to the project!
This lasted about 8 days before he resigned again.
Other developers joined Robbins.
Stability questions around the stability of the Gentoo Project
October 2009, a LiveDVD release.
11.0, released in 2011.
In 2015 A new website was announced! After the air was cleared, an actual NEW website.
In 2016, Gentoo Choice Edition. Then in July, Choice Edition Part Dos.
word crimes
In 2017, 17.0 in November and an experimental 17.1 in December.
An issue on Github in 2018.
2019 saw the 17.1 profiles finally stabilize.
In 2021, the addition of 20.0 profiles were released.
Genchu


Wallpaper1
Wallpaper2
Wallpaper3
Wallpaper4

Precompiled binaries for more packages were announced.
March of 2024, profile version 23.0.
Michał Górny notes in his blog a few days before recording here that Gentoo has a problem.


Some Gentoo Quicklinks


Main Gentoo Website
Gentoo Handbook
Gentoo Wiki
Gentoo Forums
Gentoo Developers
Gentoo Bugtracker
Gentoo Packages


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We want to be the hosts with the most (compute)
Use Passkeys, (PASS!!!!)
ed, notes, the Linux Wars and AI in the feedback


0:00 Cold Open
1:43 Which Mini PC Do We Buy?
23:21 Time to Use Passkeys!
55:03 greenthumbs Feedback
58:00 Scott Feedback
1:01:32 Dave Feedback
1:08:29 n.m Feedback
1:14:05 kynize Feedback
1:25:53 Next Time
1:32:02 Stinger


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🤏Micro Mini Compute Machines💻


Can we expand our server farm with one of these?
Or, maybe one of the higher end units is a nice recording system? Quiet is the name of the game for that.
What else is there that you recommend?


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🔑Passkeys🔐


Google Overview of Passkeys
What are Passkeys? - Tom's Guide
Passkeys: What They Are and Why You Need Them ASAP - PCMag
FIDO Alliance - Passkeys


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📯Reverb Focus📢

Greenthumbs


Commented on our E.D. History video. :heart:


Scott via Email


If you read the directions 😉, they tell you the API doesn't handle the sync. You have to sync your folders with the Nextcloud client.


Dave from Discord


How could one share a Passkey with a team? Dan thinks Bitwarden might be the answer.


n.m on the Year of The Linux Desktop


Maybe? Most importantly, it should be the Year of Linux for you. The Livestream playback now has timestamps!


kynize wants to know if AI will make the desktop faster


It seems unlikely that AI will use less resources. With dedicated hardware we might not notice. It does aim to make the user experience better though.


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Does it do Passkeys tho?
So What Happened to Xz anyway?
How do we fix the internet?


The Video Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3bN3PRmHJY


Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:36 Amazingly Self-Hosted
34:13 The History of Xz and the Hack*!
49:58 How to Fix Open Source
1:15:56 Next Time
1:20:42 Stinger


💻Self Hosting and Passkeys🔑


Audiobookshelf
Immich
Tailscale
What are Passkeys - Tom's Guide
Passkeys - FIDO Alliance


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📖The History of XZ🦜


LZMA
Andrey Markov
LZ77 and LZ78
7zip history
Slackels
LZMA in the form of the GCC compiled LZMA SDK
Tukanni Linux Project was officially gone
LZMA Utils was left behind in favor of the similarly LZMA-backed Xz Utils.
version 5.0 is the transition from LZMA to XZ.
Some distributions would eventually migrate to using Z Standard compression, including Arch in 2019 and Fedora and Ubuntu would make the switch in 2020.
A new face, Jigar Kumar, shows up.
January 7th, 2023, Jia Tan was finally able to merge their own commits to Xz on Github.
Jia tries to convince the OSS-Fuzz team to accept a patch that disabled Indrect Function.
Adding the test files which weren't test files at all.
Andres Freund's Mastodon post
On April 2nd, 2024, Collin adds a page to his tukaani.org domain.


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⚒️How To Fix Open Source🛠️


Heartbleed
I'm not a supplier
XKCD 2347


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We put a hat on AI
The SecureBlue/ublue thing
The UNIX Wars part deux


0:00 Cold Open
1:49 Artificial Fedora
28:35 The ImmutaBlues
54:01 Feedback
55:20 Tane on Notes and Unix
59:28 Ian on Unix
1:02:33 Chris on Notes and Sync
1:10:22 A Quick Release Update
1:14:41 Next Time
1:18:03 Stinger


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AI dons a hat 🤖🎩


Matthew Miller on AI in Fedora


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Course correction on Secureblue


We messed up but RoyalOughtness, the creator of Secureblue, set us straight.
Atomic Fedora is the start of the pipeline:
xkbcat


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Reverb Focus

Tane via Email


Tane uses Nextcloud Notes
Also Iotas
Unix Wars
[The terms of the Open Group](Open Group https://web.archive.org/web/20240205220954/https://unix.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html)
Current Open Group members


Ian via email


BSD, AIX, HP-UX and similar are all as UNIX as you can get these days. They started out as licensed UNIX Operating Systems with a direct IP license from AT&T and passed whatever requirements AT&T had at the time.


Chris via email


Obsidian is not FOSS.
Logseq is overwhelming at first but good now.


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Themes Are More Global Than You Think
Kdenlive Does Some Layering
The History of LXDE
To Qt, or not to Qt?
Then, we call an audible


0:00 Cold Open
2:17 Theme of the Crop
16:22 The Lost Edit
28:11 The History of LXDE
55:51 How'd LXQt and LXDE Go?
1:24:28 Next Time
1:31:13 Stinger


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🔥Warm Up🔥 - AI on the Linux Desktop

KDE's Attack Surface?


Hackaday coverage
The Reddit Post


Kdenlive gave Leo a hard time


24.02.0 was hot off the press and Leo couldn't resist.
Thankfully 24.02.1 followed to hopefully resolve the issues.


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The History of LXDE (and some LXQt)


The LXDE mailing list goes back to 2008
Ubuntu Lite
later known as U-lite commited to using LXDE.
DesktopLinux.com coverage
Elemental Linux, MoonOS and WattOS followed with a commitment
A PCManFM review from 2008
The blog appears
December 2008 status update
Sidux adds an unofficial LXDE flavor
Mandriva adds LXDE
Fedora too
LXDE Translation project
PCMan asks the community for feedback
FOSDEM 2009
Lubuntu enters the chat
LXDE on android phones
LXDE on Solaris
LXDE in Centos
PCLXDE
First Lubuntu test ISO
Fedora success
OpenSUSE status update
Refactor time
Rewrite, and make it faster
Movable desktop icons
LXDE becomes an available Debian desktop
A Qt port begins
Diverse paths
PCMan develops a "Guide for Migrating from Gtk+ to Qt"
LXDE-QT preview
Razor-Qt
PCMan had this to say about Razor-Qt
A merger of LXDE-Qt and Razor-Qt
LXDE-Qt is not bloated
PCManFM-Qt was in a usable state
LXQt alpha is announced
shortly after it was announced.
Initial FreeBSD support for LXQt
Comparing Numbers
LXQt got “full” Qt5 support
LXQt 0.8 released
LXDE is still going
We say goodbye to Razor-qt
The 0.9 release was caught on snags but eventually released
LXQt 0.10 followed
LXQt 0.11 released
More stats
LXQt 0.12.0
LXQt 0.13.0
The end for GTK 2
Debian, at the time, set the death date
GTK 3 would end up being the target for LXDE
LXQt 0.17
LXQt 1.0.0 was released!
LXDE diehards are still keeping things alive for LXDE
LXQt 2.0 is planned to release in the usual April slot
Speaking of Wayland
Quick LXQt History


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Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is Xz.


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Telemetry helps us all
Immutability blues
A correction or two
And more feedback


📽️The video version
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0:00 Cold Open
1:34 The GOOD Telemetry
23:33 Gnome Classic & Friends
31:16 The Incredible Immutables
44:00 A Slight Correction
50:25 A Little Backstory
59:24 mintCast, CKP, FCWN & DHD
1:02:31 So Lightweight!
1:10:23 Another Dive into Notes
1:21:48 Fix GRUB, Add Color
1:29:49 Next Time
1:31:58 Stinger


🔥Warm up🔥

Dan Johansen in Matrix



pkgstats
Fun Stats


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Fragmentation? Not on My Watch!

Muesli from Matrix



Gnome Classic
Is it healthy co-opetition or fragmentation? Let us know.
Secureblue
beginning of the year
BlueBuild


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A quick correction

jensmander1223 on Youtube



OpenIndiana is Unix-Like but it's own thing


The history of Dan and Leo

visamp from Matrix



Leo and Dan both did Linux Spotlight Episodes with our former co-host Rocco. Dan's episode and Leo's
We plan to drop some more tidbits in the not too distant future.


Peter Jones



Thanks for the support and for listening.
Mintcast
Crowbar Kernel Panic
Full Circle Weekly


Emiliano from Argentina



Thanks for the message, the Spanish test and the support.


QOwnNotes & Joplin

Scott



Scott recommends QOwnNotes and not Joplin.


Another Vote for Obsidian. Then Anki, RemNote and LogSeq

DesertDoug



Doug searched long and hard recently for a note taking app too. Doug bumped into Obsidian, Anki, RemNote and Logseq.


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Gentoo Focus


Jensmander1223 sent some tips to help Dan with his bootloader issue. Dan will continue to keep working on that. Jensmander also sent along the tip to use colordiff which can highlight differences when changing config files. We plan to go over a few of these on an upcoming livestream.


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