A Productive Conversation Mike Vardy

In an enlightening conversation with Dr. Dale Whelehan, CEO of Four Day Week Global, we dive into the evolving landscape of work and the compelling argument for a four-day workweek. This discussion unfolds organically, touching on the profound benefits that a shortened workweek can offer not just to individual productivity and well-being but also to the broader societal and business landscapes. Dr. Whelehan, with his extensive research and leadership in advocating for this shift, sheds light on why the century-old five-day workweek is ripe for change, especially in today's context of cognitive and emotional labor.
The COVID-19 pandemic has undeniably accelerated the reevaluation of work culture, pushing us into a realm where the tension between traditional and emerging work paradigms is more palpable than ever. Using the metaphor of a frog slowly boiling in water, we discuss how employees and employers are navigating this shift, with many seeking a balance that seems increasingly elusive. Dr. Whelehan highlights the critical dissonance at play, pointing out the pressing need for workplaces to adapt to what truly works for their people, rather than adhering to outdated modes that breed burnout and inefficiency.
Key Discussion Points

The relaxed and organic tone of productive conversations on significant shifts in work culture.

The mission of Four Day Week Global and the societal, business, and individual benefits of a four-day workweek.

Historical context and the evolution of work from physical to cognitive demands, highlighting the necessity for change.

The impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on work intensity and the shift in employee-employer dynamics.

The concept of a "productivity intervention" as a sustainable approach to improving workplace output and well-being.

The significance of motivation and the science behind it in enhancing productivity within a reduced working week.

Challenges and strategies in implementing flexible work schedules across different cultures and industries.


My discussion with Dr. Whelehan offers a thought-provoking glimpse into the future of work, one that champions flexibility, well-being, and efficiency. The four-day workweek, as Dr. Whelehan articulates, is not just a fleeting trend but a pivotal movement towards redefining productivity and quality of life for employees around the globe. As we reflect on the cultural and logistical nuances of this transition, it becomes clear that the path to a more balanced, fulfilling work-life is paved with trust, collaboration, and a willingness to challenge the status quo. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of productivity, well-being, and the future of work.
Links Worth Exploring

Connect with Dr. Whelehan: Website | X/Twitter | LinkedIn


Learn more about the four day week initiative: Visit 4 Day Week Global's website


Check out Time Thieves: Find out where to watch the documentary here


Related Conversation: Episode 511: Francesco D’Alessio Talks About Innovative Productivity Apps and Methodologies


Related Blog Post: The 10 Hour Work Week



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In this month's installment of our PM Talks series, Patrick Rhone and yours truly (Mike Vardy) dissect the multifaceted concepts of failure, choice, and the consequent growth that can emerge from these experiences. Through a series of engaging stories and personal reflections, we delve into how our perceptions of failure and the choices we make in response to it can profoundly shape our personal and professional lives. Patrick brings a depth of insight to the conversation, prompting us to consider the power of reframing our narratives around failure and the critical role of choice in steering the course of our growth.
Our dialogue traverses various landscapes, from the humor and empathy found in college rejection letters to the daily choices that influence our habits and the monumental decisions that define our paths. We explore the importance of embracing failure as a crucial element of learning and growth, the impact of parenting on our perception of obstacles, and how personal experiences with technology and art can offer unexpected opportunities for expansion. The richness of our discussion highlights not only the inevitability of failure and choice in life but also the potential for meaningful growth that lies within these experiences.
Key Discussion Points

The perception of failure in the entrepreneurial space and its potential for reframing as growth.

The significance of choice in shaping our actions and their outcomes, underscored by personal anecdotes.

The role of parenting in teaching resilience through teenage failures and the navigation of new challenges.

The process of college admissions as a microcosm for broader life decisions and the acceptance of various outcomes.

The exploration of failure and success within the context of art and society, using Henri Toulouse-Lautrec's work as an example.

The balance between seizing opportunities and stretching beyond comfort zones, illustrated through personal contemplations on travel and financial decisions.

The concept of tolerance in decision-making and how it evolves with age, impacting our approach to risks and opportunities.


Wrapping up our conversation, Patrick and I touch on the underlying theme that binds these topics together: the intrinsic value of embracing life's uncertainties and the growth that emerges from this embrace. Whether discussing the finer points of art, the practicalities of technology and travel, or the philosophical depths of failure and success, our dialogue reaffirms the importance of stepping into the unknown with openness and curiosity.
This episode not only challenges listeners to rethink their relationship with failure but also encourages a deeper appreciation for the choices we face daily and the potential they hold for personal and professional evolution.
Links Worth Exploring

Some nerdy stuff about tolerance and its counterparts

The Lamy 2000 is an amazing fountain pen

Now about that whole flossing thing...

Coming Soon: A Book for You

Check out Patrick's website.

Read some Rhoneisms here.


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In this episode I sit down with Derin McMains, affectionately known as DMac, a former professional baseball player turned mental performance coach. DMac shares the journey behind his nickname and how it has followed him from high school baseball to the major leagues. Our conversation delves into the critical transition from sports to life after, highlighting the mental challenges and breakthroughs that come with changing career paths. As someone who has always been intrigued by the pivot points in athletes' careers, I found DMac's insights into mental performance and identity beyond sports truly enlightening.
DMac's transition to a mental performance coach stemmed from a profound realization about the importance of mental health in sports. Over the last 12 years, he has dedicated himself to helping athletes navigate their own transitions, focusing on the power of mindset and the fundamental skills that underpin peak performance. Our dialogue uncovers the layers of athlete identity, the struggles with self-doubt, and the path to mastering fundamentals that define a successful transition from sports to any next chapter in life.
Key Discussion Points

The origin of Darren's nickname, "DMac," and its significance throughout his career.

Transitioning from a professional athlete to a mental performance coach and the realization that led to this career shift.

The role of athlete identity in performance and retirement, including the challenge of seeing oneself beyond an athletic career.

The universal struggle with self-doubt among professional athletes and strategies to overcome it.

Emphasizing the mastery of fundamentals in sports and their importance for long-term success.

The concept of balance through presence in various aspects of life, rather than striving for a traditional work-life balance.

Practical advice on cultivating mindfulness and presence in daily activities, from enjoying a meal to setting intentional goals in both professional and personal spheres.


My conversation with DMac sheds light on the intricate journey from the baseball diamond to the field of mental performance coaching. His personal anecdotes, coupled with his professional insights, offer a roadmap for anyone facing a significant career transition or identity shift. His emphasis on mastering the fundamentals, whether in sports or life, alongside the need for presence and mindfulness, resonates beyond the athletic world. This episode is a reminder that the skills we cultivate in one arena can powerfully impact every other aspect of our lives, offering a foundation for growth, resilience, and fulfillment.
Links Worth Exploring

Connect with DMac: ReliaQuest Website | X/Twitter | Instagram | LinkedIn


Check out DMac's podcast: Listen here


A "Swift" story that aligns with DMac's story shared during our conversation: Read it here


Kobe Bryant's commitment to fundamentals and 4am workouts: Watch the story here


Related Conversation: Episode 241: What Sports Can Teach Us About Greatness with Don Yaeger


Related Blog Post: Why Small Wins Can Make Or Break Your Productivity



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In this episode of the podcast, we delve deep into the realms of self-discovery and personal growth with the insightful Ian Morgan Cron, a renowned author and Enneagram expert. Our conversation, originally released in March 2022, revolves around Ian's book, "The Story of You," which introduces a fresh perspective on understanding our personalities through the Enneagram. As someone constantly seeking ways to better understand myself and enhance my productivity, I found Ian's approach not just fascinating but deeply helpful.
Ian Morgan Cron's expertise illuminates the intricate ways our self-narratives shape our identities and behaviors. We explore how the Enneagram can act as a powerful tool for unraveling these narratives, offering a path to more authentic living. The discussion spans from the technicalities of identifying our Enneagram types to practical advice on confronting and rewriting the self-limiting stories we've clung to.
Key Discussion Points

My curiosity about the Enneagram and the journey to discover my number with Ian's guidance.

Insights from "The Story of You" on how our personal stories and Enneagram types intertwine.

The concept of negative passions and virtues in the Enneagram, and how understanding these can foster personal growth.

The importance of recognizing and moving beyond stereotypes to truly understand our core Enneagram number and subtypes.

Reflecting on the role of the Enneagram in identifying and altering self-sabotaging narratives.

Strategies for using the Enneagram to explore our shadow sides and the impact of our stories on our lives and relationships.

Personal anecdotes from both Ian and myself on how the Enneagram has facilitated our paths to self-awareness and transformation.


Understanding the Enneagram and its application in dissecting and rewriting our personal narratives holds immense power for anyone on a path to self-improvement. Ian's insights not only shed light on the complexities of human personality but also offer tangible steps towards cultivating a life of greater authenticity and fulfillment. Whether you're new to the Enneagram or looking to deepen your understanding, "The Story of You" is a resource I cannot recommend highly enough.
Links Worth Exploring

Connect with Ian: Website | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram


Ian's Book: The Story of You


Ian's Podcast: Typology


Ian's Other Book: The Road Back to You


The iEQ9 Assessment: Take It Here


Related Conversation: Episode 270: The Daily Decision with Brian Dixon


Related Blog Post: Introducing The Awareness Building Class



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In this inspiring episode, I sit down with Lindsey Roy, who shares her incredible journey of overcoming adversity through a profound change in perspective. Lindsey's story of losing a leg and both lungs is nothing short of remarkable, and her insights into harnessing personal tragedy to cultivate wisdom and a new outlook on life are both enlightening and uplifting. Together, we delve into the power of perspective, the importance of vulnerability, and how these tools can significantly impact our mental well-being and productivity.
Our discussion spans a wide array of topics, each offering valuable lessons on how to navigate life's toughest moments with grace and resilience. From personal stories of transformation to practical tips on managing time and productivity, this episode is a treasure trove of wisdom for anyone looking to find purpose in pain and to leverage life's challenges for personal growth.
Key Discussion Points

Lindsey's journey of losing a leg and both lungs, leading her to write a book on perspective and wisdom.

The concept of "mental silence" and achieving focus by drowning out distractions.

Leveraging personal control over perspective for better mental well-being.

The importance of reframing negative thoughts and embracing vulnerability for personal growth.

The role of vulnerability in creating supportive environments and living in the moment.

The significance of gratitude and cherishing simple joys in life.


To wrap up, this episode serves as a powerful reminder of the strength we all possess to face adversity head-on and come out stronger on the other side. Lindsey's story is a testament to the human spirit's resilience and the transformative power of perspective. Whether you're going through a tough time or just looking for inspiration to tackle everyday challenges, there's something in this conversation for you.
Links Worth Exploring

Connect with Lindsey: Website | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn


Get Lindsey's book: The Gift of Perspective


This video is about perspective: Watch on YouTube


Related Conversation: Episode 152: Positively Speaking with Dan Lerner and Alan Schlechter


Related Blog Post: How To Get Better Perspective (In Just 90 Seconds)



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Welcome to the latest episode of our monthly series, PM Talks, where we delve deep into the nuances of productivity, creativity, and the art of living a thoughtful life. In this episode, Patrick and I have taken an explorative dive into the realms of language evolution, the essence of creativity, and the significance of nuance in our fast-paced world. It's a conversation that spans the spectrum of art and commerce, the dynamics of personal connections, and the profound impact of creativity on society.
Key Discussion Points

The origins and evolving meanings of terms like "simpleton" and "Inbox Zero," highlighting the fluid nature of language and its impact on our understanding and communication.

The dangers of absolutism in a world that thrives on brevity, and the critical need for nuance to avoid miscommunication and misunderstandings.

The interplay between art and commerce, as discussed through personal anecdotes and experiences, emphasizing the subjective nature of art and its capacity for disruption.

Rick Rubin's influence on creativity and self-expression, with insights from his book "The Creative Act," advocating for risk-taking and evolution in the creative process.

The importance of tapping into existing energy and flow for creativity, contrasting the approaches of Steven Pressfield's "The War of Art" and Rick Rubin's "The Creative Act."

The unique ability of art and creativity to evoke personal interpretations and meanings, underscoring the diminishing presence of nuance in today's society.

The role of nuance in decision-making and productivity, highlighting the limitations of black-and-white thinking and advocating for a more nuanced, optimistic outlook.


To wrap up, this episode has been a profound exploration of how nuance plays an indispensable role in enriching our productivity, creativity, and the way we perceive the world around us. As we dissected topics from language evolution to the essence of creativity, it became clear that embracing the complexities and subtleties of life can lead to deeper understanding and fulfillment. Remember, it's in the shades of gray that the full spectrum of human experience comes to light.
As always, thank you for joining me on this journey. Until next time, keep seeking the nuance in everything you do.
Links Worth Exploring

"What we are witnessing right now is the death of nuance."

Inbox Zero (circa 2007) by Merlin Mann

Rick Rubin chats with Nick Cave

Rick Rubin chats with Steven Pressfield

Rick Rubin wrote a book that we both read. Get it here.


Check out Patrick's website.

Read some Rhoneisms here.


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