28 episodes

Welcome to the Revenue Rebels podcast, hosted by Alan Zhao, Co-Founder of Warmly.ai.

We feature B2B SaaS revenue leaders who have challenged traditional methods to achieve remarkable results.

In each episode we cut through the fluff and dive deep into modern tactics used to achieve success: intent-based outreach, social selling, B2B Netflix, video marketing, warm calling, customer led sales, influencer marketing and more.

On the show you can expect episodes with those who create demand - marketing experts, partnerships gurus and social media superstars and those who capture demand - outbound and inbound sales experts, leaders, and practitioners.

Our goal is to shine a light on modern, effective and unique revenue generating methods and equip you with the insights you need to unlock your next strategic advantage.

We're huge proponents of signal-based selling and signal-based, data-driven B2B go-to-market as a whole. Ask us what "Autonomous Revenue Orchestration" means and we'll be more than happy to shine a light on our vision of what the field of B2B revenue will become.

For more content, check out our YouTube page and LinkedIn newsletter!

B2B Revenue Rebels Warmly - The B2B Signal-Based Go-To-Market SaaS Platform

    • Business

Welcome to the Revenue Rebels podcast, hosted by Alan Zhao, Co-Founder of Warmly.ai.

We feature B2B SaaS revenue leaders who have challenged traditional methods to achieve remarkable results.

In each episode we cut through the fluff and dive deep into modern tactics used to achieve success: intent-based outreach, social selling, B2B Netflix, video marketing, warm calling, customer led sales, influencer marketing and more.

On the show you can expect episodes with those who create demand - marketing experts, partnerships gurus and social media superstars and those who capture demand - outbound and inbound sales experts, leaders, and practitioners.

Our goal is to shine a light on modern, effective and unique revenue generating methods and equip you with the insights you need to unlock your next strategic advantage.

We're huge proponents of signal-based selling and signal-based, data-driven B2B go-to-market as a whole. Ask us what "Autonomous Revenue Orchestration" means and we'll be more than happy to shine a light on our vision of what the field of B2B revenue will become.

For more content, check out our YouTube page and LinkedIn newsletter!

    Generating $2.8 Million in Pipeline at Demandbase - Austin Jouett, AE at Intensify Demand

    Generating $2.8 Million in Pipeline at Demandbase - Austin Jouett, AE at Intensify Demand

    Today’s episode welcomes Austin Jouett, Full-Cycle Account Executive at Intentify Demand - a provider of demand and lead generation services, specializing in B2B sectors such as SaaS, IT technology, FinTech, Martech and HR Tech. They help businesses connect with their ideal prospects by delivering high quality and meticulously verified data including contacts, companies, firmographics and technographics.
    Austin started out in door-to-door sales. There he was trained to never take no for an answer, which led to a lot of aggression from his prospects. This made him appreciate the safety of remote phone sales and gave him a thick skin when it comes to rejection.
    His first SDR gig was at Demandbase, where he generated $2.8 million in pipeline becoming their top SDR in 2022. He started off as an inbound SDR, where he used qualified.com and an in-house ABM platform to prospect into deanonymized accounts. Prospects had to go through 3 different passes between differently ranked salespeople, which is not a great customer experience and led to a lot of ghosting.
    Austin’s daily workflow for inbound and upsells consisted of taking the users of their ABM platform, analyzing signals within Demandbase and writing pipeline acceleration reports for his prospects. This got him to book a record of 16 meetings in a single month, which was 2.5x his quota. 
    Tune into the full episode to learn Austin’s way of generating pipeline!
    Connect with Austin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/austinjouett/
    Connect with Alan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-j-zhao/
    Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/


    (05:13) - What D2D skills translate to SDR skills?

    (07:25) - Human-level prospecting

    (08:20) - How Demandbase SDR’s prospected

    (10:33) - Stop passing around prospects

    (15:28) - Prospecting into net new accounts

    (21:22) - Turning prospects from cold to warm

    (24:25) - What signals work best during outreach?

    (27:02) - How to improve your signal-based selling approach

    • 32 min
    WTF are Signals? How to Build Your GTM for ROI with Chris Walker & Alan Zhao

    WTF are Signals? How to Build Your GTM for ROI with Chris Walker & Alan Zhao

    In case you missed it - today’s episode contains the recording of the June 6th live event with Chris Walker and Alan Zhao about how to implement a signal-based go-to-market approach.
    Chris’s new company, Passetto, combines proprietary signal-based analytics technology with expert strategic consulting to help B2B companies create breakthroughs in growth and profitability using data.
    Signal-based go-to-market is an evolution of how sales teams identify which prospects have a higher likelihood to buy based on their engagement with vendors. These signals can be anything from a website visit to a “like” on a LinkedIn post. 
    By identifying which signals have the highest intent, sales teams can then build a strategy around reaching out to the right accounts at the right time based on data, instead of taking a spray and pray approach to prospecting. 
    Check out the recording to learn how to implement a signal-based go-to-market approach!
    KEY INSIGHTS:01:06 Why should we care about Signal-Based GTM?
    02:40 Why signal-based selling is trending right now04:33 Right fit vs right time vs right message07:27 Signal-based categories and platforms10:01 The problem with implementing signal-based platforms11:54 Advantages of having a smaller GTM team13:27 What are signal-based analytics?14:53 Scrappiest way to approach signals15:49 The ideal way to implement signals20:01 How to track signals 25:45 Structuring your signal data collection28:24 Who should implement signal-based GTM?30:12 How RevOps can pivot to signals34:55 How to prioritize signals?36:35 Building a modern GTM motion40:21 Getting to $1M+ ARR43:29 How to collect signal data 46:50 How branding improves sales outcomes49:32 Choosing marketing channels outside of LinkedIn

    • 52 min
    Creating a Culture of Empathy in Sales - Brian Lawrence, VP of Sales at Clazar

    Creating a Culture of Empathy in Sales - Brian Lawrence, VP of Sales at Clazar

    Today’s guest is Brian Lawrence, VP of Sales at Clazar - the cloud GTM co-pilot for software businesses of all sizes that recently received their $10 million Series A round.
    Brian started his career at Oracle, where he moved up quickly and became one of the youngest managers at the company. When he was climbing up the ranks, a big part of his success was his willingness to learn and having a high level of curiosity. 
    His leadership style is centered around building a culture of empathy, trust and collaboration. Brian doesn’t consider someone an A+ player solely based on their numbers. Instead, he looks for candidates that not only carry themselves up, but also those around. His biggest regrets as a sales leader have always come from hiring people who showed immediate red flags. 
    Empathy, when displayed towards prospects, is one of the best ways to ensure that they’ll trust you and end up going with your solution when they’re ready to buy. At HelloSign, Brian had to build a strategy on how to sell to developers, who aren’t typically susceptible to aggressive sales tactics. They created content that showed a ton of self awareness and rebuilt their sales motion to cater to their new ICP, which ultimately won them enough business to get acquired by Dropbox down the line.
    Tune into the full episode to learn about how to make empathy your ultimate sales superpower!
    KEY INSIGHTS:03:01 How to move up the ranks in sales04:13 Infusing empathy into your leadership style06:14 Why a culture of collaborators wins08:32 Using empathy to win deals12:01 How to become an expert in your market
    Connect with Brian - https://www.linkedin.com/in/briantlawrence/Connect with Alan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-j-zhao/Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/

    • 16 min
    0 to $30 Million ARR with 4 Salespeople - Ryan Staley, B2B AI Sales Expert & CEO of Whale Boss

    0 to $30 Million ARR with 4 Salespeople - Ryan Staley, B2B AI Sales Expert & CEO of Whale Boss

    The jury is still out on the right way to utilize AI in B2B sales.
    One thing is sure - AI and automation powered sales teams that stay lean are winning at a much higher rate than those who have gotten comfy over the last few years and have yet to figure out how to delegate gruntwork to machines.
    Today’s guest is a master of sales efficiency. Over 5 ½ years, his team went from $0 - $30 million in ARR with only 4 salespeople using a truly efficient sales process, and now he’s gone all in on AI transformation for B2B sales and go-to-market as a whole.
    Ryan Staley is the Founder & CEO of Whale Boss - a consultancy that helps Chief Revenue Officers & Sales Professionals leverage AI to work 10 hours less weekly and 2x their performance. He's also the host of The Scale Up Show - a top 2% podcast where he deconstructs how the top SaaS CEOs in the world grow their companies repeatedly and predictably.
    During his early days as a sales leader, Ryan received quite a bit of flack for not having the right processes and systems in place to build a repeatable and scalable sales process. When opportunity struck and Ryan moved upmarket, he was determined to not make the same mistake again. His first a-ha moment came when he realized that most SaaS sales leaders don’t analyze their deal metrics enough to niche down and achieve efficient growth.
    Ryan then started looking at the patterns between the biggest deals they closed and took a data-driven approach to the top 40 deals the company had closed. He noticed that certain verticals had better outcomes than others, and the real kicker was that a few of these verticals weren’t a focus point. His team then narrowed down on the few niche profiles that received the most value from their product and made it their full focus.
    Tune into the full episode to learn more on how to become an efficient and effective sales org!
    KEY INSIGHTS:04:01 Going from 0 - 30$ Million with 4 Salespeople06:22 How to find your true ideal client profile (ICP)09:04 Which metrics should you track?11:34 Why sales methodologies are flawed 13:57 Building a team of efficient sellers15:47 Systemising your referral stream17:03 How to utilize AI in B2B 20:29 Approaching AI the right way 22:29 Finding your personal AI use case
    Connect with Ryan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-staley/
    Connect with Alan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-j-zhao/Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/

    • 27 min
    How LinkedIn & Cameo Built Their PLS (Product-Led Sales) Motion - Karen Chi, Founder of Karen Chi Consulting

    How LinkedIn & Cameo Built Their PLS (Product-Led Sales) Motion - Karen Chi, Founder of Karen Chi Consulting

    Many people don’t realize this but quite a few of your favorite platforms, including LinkedIn and Cameo, have implemented a product-led sales (PLS) motion a long time ago.
    In short, product-led sales is a go-to-market approach that relies on existing users of the product to drive revenue.
    Here’s the problem - if your PLS motion is implemented without a strategic approach to customer experience and enablement, you’ll end up in a worse position than if you gated the platform from the get-go. 
    Today’s episode welcomes Karen Chi - Founder of Karen Chi Consulting and former GTM leader of LinkedIn and Cameo. She’s also the Co-Founder and Managing Partner of inVest Ventures - a Community VC fund investing in LinkedIn alumni founders building great companies.
    There’s a common theme between signal-based GTM and product-led selling - interpreting data and predicting behaviors. Even though the concept of signal-based sales and product-led platforms started making waves recently, the concepts have been around for a long time. Karen recently attended the PLGTM conference and she’s ecstatic to see that there’s a passionate community around product-led companies.
    Building a successful product-led sales motion requires a huge paradigm shift in how you think about your go-to-market. Karen says that you can’t expect your product-led motion to carry the weight throughout the whole sales process. Instead, you need to approach it with the mindset of “how do I build my product so our customers can get from 0-1 themselves” and then sales can take them from 1-100. The self-service experience can’t be just a glorified lead generation tool, as you end up creating a situation where your potential client lowers their expectations of the value of the platform effectively disqualifying themselves early in the process.
    Check out the full episode to learn more about product-led go-to-market!
    Connect with Karen - https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenychi/ Connect with Alan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-j-zhao/Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/

    (05:32) - Starting a Venture Capital fund

    (08:32) - What is Product-Led Selling & Signal-Based GTM

    (10:31) - How to set up your PLG/PLS motion

    (14:05) - When to involve salespeople into your PLS motion

    (16:33) - How to educate your users

    (20:46) - Using the right channels to convert clients

    (22:57) - How to serve your free tier users

    (25:51) - Growing Cameo's PLS motion

    (31:10) - How to become a great PLS sales rep

    • 34 min
    B2B Influencer Marketing Masterclass - Morgan J. Ingram, Founder & CEO of AMP

    B2B Influencer Marketing Masterclass - Morgan J. Ingram, Founder & CEO of AMP

    B2B Influencer marketing is booming right now. According to Forbes 94% of B2B marketers say influencer marketing is a profitable strategy, yet if you ask around you’re bound to find skilled marketers or founders who invested heavily in creator partnerships and ended up seeing less than desirable results. 
    Here’s the thing - unlike investing in safe, mature and refined marketing methods like ads or SEO, the influencer marketing route requires you to have a strong understanding of a few key aspects that might seem logical to a social media native person, but can blindsight you if you only got your first iphone after finishing college.
    Today’s guest is Morgan J. Ingram, Founder of AMP -  a GTM production company that helps businesses drive sales through account-based content. Rather than traditional marketing, they create engaging video content and events tailored to key accounts. This earns trust and boosts sales by connecting with target customers in an impactful way.
    Morgan segments creators into 3 categories - brand ambassadors, who typically talk about the brand they're associated with, influencers who are classic content creators with a large following and subject matter experts (SME’s) who are highly esteemed thought leaders in a particular niche. Knowing which creator category is best for your goals is going to make all the difference between a profitable and an unprofitable creator partnership.
    Tune into the full episode to learn how to navigate the landscape of B2B influencers and build profitable partnerships with the right people!
    KEY INSIGHTS:03:36 The 3 tiers of B2B influencers05:35 How to choose a brand ambassador 06:27 Building a brand ambassador strategy08:26 Structuring the right offer10:16 B2B influencer outreach11:57 Picking the person with the right content14:20 Building up internal creators16:52 How to identify the creators category18:29 Aligning the incentives 21:15 Structuring a deal with an influencer24:25 B2B Influencer marketing attribution26:05 Structuring a deal with a SME
    Connect with Morgan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/morganjingram/
    Connect with Alan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-j-zhao/
    Want to convert your website visitors instantly? Try Warmly for free - https://warmly.ai/

    • 29 min

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