1 hr 20 min

"Vitamin M (masculinity)" - Jack Kammer What's the value?

    • Philosophy

Jack Kammer views himself as the “counter-feminist social worker.” He has dedicated a significant portion of his life to this issue. He is a public speaker, social worker, podcast host, and ultimately a strong voice trying to address the undervaluation of masculinity (“vitamin M”) in our current culture. When he reached out to me, I immediately was intrigued. This was my first opportunity to have someone on the show who was kind of unapologetic about such a controversial topic. The show and the approach I take is meant to try and overcome the usual bickering, tit for tat, and anger-based division that arises when someone has strong views on a topic like this. It was meant to provide a better way to work through it. That was what it was meant to do, but would it?
Listen, I am not going to sugar coat it (nor would Jack for that matter) he has strong feelings about the damage aspects of the feminist movement have caused. It would be super easy, and some might say even justified, to dismiss his views, consider him an asshole, and move on. But that is not helpful, nor is it logical. There are a number of things Jack brought up which are valid. There are aspects of human nature and the current social environment that might be causing harm to men (obviously that does not ignore all the harm that has and still is being done to women). That is why I wanted to spend the time on the show hearing his views, probing them, and trying to get to the root of what they are actually based on. And maybe even more importantly, to question if the approach he was taking to try and fix the problems was logical and effective.
We talked about it on the show a lot, how anger and hurt can cloud our judgement and perspective. That means even when we are genuinely trying to do something we believe is right, there is a chance that anger clouds our judgement on how to best do it. I appreciate Jack a ton for coming on the show, allowing us to dissect and question his views, and considering this possibility. I understand the topic may be triggering or upsetting for some, I get it, I really do. But my hope is that by taking this approach to these conversations, it gives us a better chance to finally break the division and get to a better outcome for all. As always, thanks for listening and I hope you enjoy the episode.

Jack Kammer views himself as the “counter-feminist social worker.” He has dedicated a significant portion of his life to this issue. He is a public speaker, social worker, podcast host, and ultimately a strong voice trying to address the undervaluation of masculinity (“vitamin M”) in our current culture. When he reached out to me, I immediately was intrigued. This was my first opportunity to have someone on the show who was kind of unapologetic about such a controversial topic. The show and the approach I take is meant to try and overcome the usual bickering, tit for tat, and anger-based division that arises when someone has strong views on a topic like this. It was meant to provide a better way to work through it. That was what it was meant to do, but would it?
Listen, I am not going to sugar coat it (nor would Jack for that matter) he has strong feelings about the damage aspects of the feminist movement have caused. It would be super easy, and some might say even justified, to dismiss his views, consider him an asshole, and move on. But that is not helpful, nor is it logical. There are a number of things Jack brought up which are valid. There are aspects of human nature and the current social environment that might be causing harm to men (obviously that does not ignore all the harm that has and still is being done to women). That is why I wanted to spend the time on the show hearing his views, probing them, and trying to get to the root of what they are actually based on. And maybe even more importantly, to question if the approach he was taking to try and fix the problems was logical and effective.
We talked about it on the show a lot, how anger and hurt can cloud our judgement and perspective. That means even when we are genuinely trying to do something we believe is right, there is a chance that anger clouds our judgement on how to best do it. I appreciate Jack a ton for coming on the show, allowing us to dissect and question his views, and considering this possibility. I understand the topic may be triggering or upsetting for some, I get it, I really do. But my hope is that by taking this approach to these conversations, it gives us a better chance to finally break the division and get to a better outcome for all. As always, thanks for listening and I hope you enjoy the episode.

1 hr 20 min