56 min
Are Things Getting Better or Worse? w/ David Sliker (Episode 46) Presence Pioneers Podcast
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- Christianity
In this episode, Matthew talks with David Sliker, a senior leader at IHOP-KC. They discuss the current state of our nation and the world, and what the Bible says about how we should respond.
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE
David's Website • https://www.davidsliker.com/homepage
IHOP-KC • https://www.ihopkc.org/
The Nations Rage - Book • https://www.davidsliker.com/
The Presence Pioneers podcast exists to help YOU and your community experience and host the presence of God through day & night worship & prayer – because we believe God’s presence changes everything. Hosted by Matthew Lilley, episodes feature short Bible teachings and interviews with key leaders in the prayer & worship movement.
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION
They start with David's history in the prayer movement, when he visited Kansas City in October of 1999. A friend mentioned IHOP-KC, saying that they had been having a prayer meeting non-stop for a month, and David had to check it out. Fast forward to October of 2020, and he is now on staff and IHOP is celebrating 21 years of non-stop prayer and worship!
Since he's got "chops" in the prayer movement, Matthew asks him to discuss some of the pros and the cons of being a part of 24/7 prayer. David says that his favorite part is easy - the relationships that have been built out of sustaining this worship and prayer. He admits that these aren't people that he may have been close to without this experience, but that when you run together and sacrifice together and repeatedly worship, pray, and study the bible together, there are special bonds formed.
The challenges are significant too, David says. There is always resistance when God establishes prayer. The endgame is at play here, as David puts it, and the response from the opponent in this endgame is rage. He compares the church to an orchestra, where each person has their part to play. Being small is no longer the same as being insignificant. The sound is only right when everyone plays their part, and the enemy knows this. His goal isn't to take out the whole orchestra, but to silence one part at a time and ruin the sound.
David's new book, The Nations Rage, is where we go next. Matthew says it brings to mind the book Let The Nations Be Glad, and asks David point blank - which is it? Do we rage or are we glad? David says it must be both. He believes the nations will rage more and more until God becomes the desire of the nations, without violating our free will. David calls it a miracle, actually. He believes there is biblical precedence for the idea that whenever God comes closer, the response is both rejoicing and rage from different people. It's not real human experience to separate the two.
Isn't being positive all the time a good thing? David says we're living in the danger of leaning positive only right now. The message in January 2020 was everywhere - 2020 was going to be everyone's year! But then, March hits. And then, the racial conflict blows up. The hope only message didn't have any answers for this, because the rhetoric was just, "no worries, tomorrow will be awesome" and tomorrow kept being worse. A lot of the polarization has come out of this lack of answers. People are flocking to whoever will give an answer.
How do we live our lives in hopefulness but prepared for the rage? David responds by asking this question - how do you define better? He says we need to examine whether our definition of "better" is based in biblical truth, or simply in our culture's beliefs. He sees the two responses as either healthy introspection or "doubling down". Either we check ourselves, and see where we aren't in alignment with God and repent, or we dig in our heels and just yell our opinion louder.
What it really comes down to is being rooted in intimacy. David says the cha
In this episode, Matthew talks with David Sliker, a senior leader at IHOP-KC. They discuss the current state of our nation and the world, and what the Bible says about how we should respond.
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE
David's Website • https://www.davidsliker.com/homepage
IHOP-KC • https://www.ihopkc.org/
The Nations Rage - Book • https://www.davidsliker.com/
The Presence Pioneers podcast exists to help YOU and your community experience and host the presence of God through day & night worship & prayer – because we believe God’s presence changes everything. Hosted by Matthew Lilley, episodes feature short Bible teachings and interviews with key leaders in the prayer & worship movement.
SUBSCRIBE • http://eepurl.com/gfw9vH
RESOURCES FROM MATTHEW • http://presencepioneer.com
INSTAGRAM • http://instagram.com/presencepioneer/
FACEBOOK • http://facebook.com/presencepioneer/
EPISODE DESCRIPTION
They start with David's history in the prayer movement, when he visited Kansas City in October of 1999. A friend mentioned IHOP-KC, saying that they had been having a prayer meeting non-stop for a month, and David had to check it out. Fast forward to October of 2020, and he is now on staff and IHOP is celebrating 21 years of non-stop prayer and worship!
Since he's got "chops" in the prayer movement, Matthew asks him to discuss some of the pros and the cons of being a part of 24/7 prayer. David says that his favorite part is easy - the relationships that have been built out of sustaining this worship and prayer. He admits that these aren't people that he may have been close to without this experience, but that when you run together and sacrifice together and repeatedly worship, pray, and study the bible together, there are special bonds formed.
The challenges are significant too, David says. There is always resistance when God establishes prayer. The endgame is at play here, as David puts it, and the response from the opponent in this endgame is rage. He compares the church to an orchestra, where each person has their part to play. Being small is no longer the same as being insignificant. The sound is only right when everyone plays their part, and the enemy knows this. His goal isn't to take out the whole orchestra, but to silence one part at a time and ruin the sound.
David's new book, The Nations Rage, is where we go next. Matthew says it brings to mind the book Let The Nations Be Glad, and asks David point blank - which is it? Do we rage or are we glad? David says it must be both. He believes the nations will rage more and more until God becomes the desire of the nations, without violating our free will. David calls it a miracle, actually. He believes there is biblical precedence for the idea that whenever God comes closer, the response is both rejoicing and rage from different people. It's not real human experience to separate the two.
Isn't being positive all the time a good thing? David says we're living in the danger of leaning positive only right now. The message in January 2020 was everywhere - 2020 was going to be everyone's year! But then, March hits. And then, the racial conflict blows up. The hope only message didn't have any answers for this, because the rhetoric was just, "no worries, tomorrow will be awesome" and tomorrow kept being worse. A lot of the polarization has come out of this lack of answers. People are flocking to whoever will give an answer.
How do we live our lives in hopefulness but prepared for the rage? David responds by asking this question - how do you define better? He says we need to examine whether our definition of "better" is based in biblical truth, or simply in our culture's beliefs. He sees the two responses as either healthy introspection or "doubling down". Either we check ourselves, and see where we aren't in alignment with God and repent, or we dig in our heels and just yell our opinion louder.
What it really comes down to is being rooted in intimacy. David says the cha
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