235. I've been to Split several times, with Sirin Kale and Pandora Sykes

This week on Fortunately Fi and Jane are joined by the journalists Sirin Kale and Pandora Sykes, hosts of the podcast Unreal, a critical history of reality TV. Unreal looks back to the earliest days of the format and takes us all the way to today, featuring iconic shows and stars. Before their guests' arrival Fi and Jane have had some niche PhD titles sent in and emergency Jubbly plans are afoot.

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