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4-H-4-U-2 is a 4-H Youth Development podcast from the Mississippi State University Extension Service. Hosts Dr. John Long and Cobie Rutherford promote Mississippi 4-H programs and positive youth development.

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4-H-4-U-2 is a 4-H Youth Development podcast from the Mississippi State University Extension Service. Hosts Dr. John Long and Cobie Rutherford promote Mississippi 4-H programs and positive youth development.

    Year End Remembrance 2019

    Year End Remembrance 2019


    Announcer: This is 4-H-4-U-2, a podcast from the Mississippi State University Extension Service promoting 4-H programs and positive youth development. Here now, your hosts, Dr. John Long and Cobie Rutherford.

    John Long: Welcome to 4-H-4-U-2, the podcast about everything Mississippi 4-H and just 4-H in general. I'm your host, John Long.

    Cobie Rutherford: And I'm Cobie Rutherford.

    John Long: Cobie, how are we doing today?

    Cobie Rutherford: It's a great day here in Mississippi.

    John Long: Yes. It's been a while since we've actually done a podcast, and I guess we're going to call this our end of the year podcast.

    Cobie Rutherford: Season finale.

    John Long: Season finale. And get ready for next year title.

    Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, that's right.

    John Long: So, since we said season finale, do you have a favorite season finale of any show or whatever that you've ever did.

    Cobie Rutherford: I like those season finales that end in a cliffhanger. You're like what happens next? And you just can't wait until the next season comes on and then you forget to set your DVR and miss it. Usually better.

    John Long: And then somebody says, "Did you see that?"

    Cobie Rutherford: The spoilers.

    John Long: "No, I didn't."

    Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, totally missed it. But yeah, I like those. I like series finales that end on a good note, I hate not having closure on something. I hate not knowing what happens next with the characters. I want to know what happens at the end.

    John Long: Yeah, and if they just try to kind of wing it and say, "Oh, this is the final episode, even for the series." And you feel lackluster, like you don't have that closure, and the course of the folks that do try to do a series finale. A lot of times, they can't do it right. And just disappointing, I guess you could say.

    Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, totally agree there. The one series that just really left things bad to me was the New Dallas. When Dallas came out a few years ago on TNT and they had the new cast, but they still had the old group with Patrick Duffy and Larry Hagman and all of those folks. And that series just ended and I guess funding got cut or the program got cut and now I just really thought that was terrible because we don't know what happened to all those characters.

    John Long: Now. And I tell you what, since we got on a series finale, I would say that my favorite series finale was Mash.

    Cobie Rutherford: Really?

    John Long: Yeah. Oh yeah. I remember that very well. You know, it was just like this, it was a big white off of the whole deal, and they ramped it up perfect. It was just perfect.

    Cobie Rutherford: Well, speaking of wrapping things up, I think our office is kind of in that phase, right?

    John Long: Yeah, segue way into what we're going to be talking about.

    Cobie Rutherford: Getting right into the next spring's activities, I've caught myself all week trying to tie up loose ends from the fair, and we just got out from a great conference.

    John Long: Yep. We sure did.

    Cobie Rutherford: And if nothing else, that kind of sets the stage for our planning next year.

    John Long: When Coach Shaffer, he was, wasn't he just inspiring? I love it. I loved hearing him, just great.

    Cobie Rutherford: That was really good to me as well. I knew that he is such a leader on the court, but when they gave started giving his personal examples from his home life and especially the things about coaching his own daughter and how he-

    John Long: Being a servant later.

    Cobie Rutherford: Oh yeah, that was really good. And what also inspired me, when you talked about the young lady, is what he looks for in talent. He looks for the people that work hard, that are willing to improve and that are coachable and gosh, from a 4-H faculty standpoint, that hit me. Because, if we're not teaching our 4-H'ers to be coachable adults, what are we doing? Right?


    • 23 min
    Picture This

    Picture This


    Announcer: This is 4-H-4-U-2, a podcast from the Mississippi State University Extension Service promoting 4-H programs and positive youth development. Hear now your host, Dr. John Long and Cobie Rutherford.

    John Long: Welcome back to another addition of 4-H-4-U-2, the podcast that brings you everything 4-H and 4-H related in the state of Mississippi. I'm your host John Long.

    Cobie Rutherford:  And I'm Cobie Rutherford.

    John Long: Cobie, how's it going?

    Cobie Rutherford:  It's going great John.

    John Long: That's great. That's just great. The weekend is here and we've got some cool weather on the way so, we are super excited about that. We are also super excited to have our guests here today. Well, it's just a picture perfect day outside and we've got the picture perfect man with us. Mr. Kevin Hudson.

    Kevin Hudson:  Glad to be here with you.

    John Long: Yeah, whoa, that was good. Yeah. Kevin, since you're here, tell us a little bit about yourself, where are you from and basically how you got to where you are today?

    Kevin Hudson:  Well, I grew up in Louisville, Mississippi and still live there today and so it's a short commute to MSU. Glad to be working as a photographer with Extension. Most of my working career has been spent either in photography or video production, so kind of those two fields and I've spent a good bit of time at the university and other places. I'm glad that my path took me to Extension; it's a good place to be.

    John Long: When did you first like really realize that photography was going to be your thing? How old were you?

    Kevin Hudson:  Well, I don't ... That's hard to say. I mean, I was always interested in photography I guess growing up. We lived next door to my grandparents and my grandmother had an old manual 35 millimeter camera that she would let me take and use. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They said everything on it with the lever and everything. But she was good about letting me experiment with that and kind of see what it would do. And she was also good about paying for the film developing in those days. You know, you had to pay for that.

    John Long: Where'd you have to take yours in to?

    Kevin Hudson:  I want to say in the days before the big store that everybody goes to. I think what I remember is sending it off through the mail, through one of the local drug stores.

    John Long: Okay. What was the turnaround time on that?

    Kevin Hudson:  Oh man, I don't remember. Probably a week or two maybe. I'm just guessing.

    John Long: Yeah. Yeah. So you didn't do the dark room thing until...

    Kevin Hudson:  I never did.

    John Long: And you still don't to this day.

    Kevin Hudson:  No.

    Cobie Rutherford:  You know, I remember when the little digital cameras first came out. It's like that kind of toss and go's and I thought that was the coolest thing. When some of the big box stores and drug stores start offering 24 hour process, I thought, wow, this is the best thing. How could anything get better in photography and we just had no idea.

    John Long: Now, its leaps and bounds.

    Cobie Rutherford:  And now the world is crazy. Right.

    Kevin Hudson:  It was a big deal even after that to get one hour processing, you know?

    Cobie Rutherford:  You know and now, last job I had was with Alabama Cattleman's. And we talked about that a little bit on here before and I was kind of thrown into being the official photographer for the Alabama Cattlemen with no training at all. And you know, people just think that it's an easy task to do and I'll be the first to say; it's hard. You know, trying to get the lighting, all that. Kevin, I don't know how you do it, to be honest with you. I would take a thousand shots and maybe get one good one.

    Kevin Hudson:  Well, I would not say that livestock photography is my forte by any stretch and that's difficult Cobie, because you know, at least when you're worki

    • 23 min
    A Different Perspective

    A Different Perspective


    Announcer: This is 4-H-4-U-2, a podcast from the Mississippi State University Extension Service promoting 4-H programs and positive youth development. Here now your host, Dr. John Long and Cobie Rutherford.

    John Long: All right, welcome back to another 4-H-4-U-2 podcast. I'm your host John Long.

    Cobie Rutherford: And I'm Cobie Rutherford.

    John Long: Cobie, it's maroon Friday here on campus and everybody here in our podcast studio is decked out in maroon. You going to the game this weekend?

    Cobie Rutherford: I am not actually, we've got some other plans and I think we're just going to keep it chill this week.

    John Long: There were no parking slots in the big parking lot.

    Cobie Rutherford: Oh really?

    John Long: Yes, the maroon army has arrived and hopefully we'll have a good outcome this weekend.

    Cobie Rutherford: I think so. I think it'll be a good game for them.

    John Long: That's good. That's good. And last week was 4-H day at football.

    Cobie Rutherford: It was, we had a pretty good crowd for that. It was so hot though. I feel like it's still summertime here in Mississippi when the calendar says fall, but temperatures definitely don't say that.

    John Long: I'll be so glad. We always talk about weather on here because it's so important. We're ready for cool weather to come and we are excited once again to have a super great guest on the show with us today. And that is Miss Courtney Headley. Courtney, how are you doing today?

    Courtney Headley: I'm doing well John.

    John Long: Good, good, good. Well we're wanting to basically find out a little bit more about you. That's what we're going to be first talking about. Courtney, tell us where you're from and how you got to where you are right now.

    Courtney Headley: Well, I am from Starkville, Mississippi. I started with the 4-H Youth Development Department on campus in 2007 and yeah, I'm here. I'm loving it.

    John Long: Yeah, but she started out by telling a fib. She's not from Starkville originally... you were born where?

    Courtney Headley: I was born in South Carolina, but I was raised here. I am definitely a Jacket alumni.

    John Long: Okay, very good. Very good, very good. And you do go on occasion, go back to South Carolina, don't you?

    Courtney Headley: Yes.

    John Long: That's cool. What part of South Carolina?

    Courtney Headley: Walterboro.

    John Long: Walterboro. Okay. Maybe can you go through there for anything trampling wise?

    Courtney Headley: Mostly the beaches are the best.

    John Long: Oh, okay. Very good. Very good.

    Courtney Headley: Charleston, yeah.

    John Long: Awesome. Awesome.

    Cobie Rutherford: Anybody out there that's listening to us, have called the 4-H office, they've always almost talked to Courtney at some point in time, especially if they deal with the volunteer program or any kind of community club type information. And Courtney, you are a volunteer for a 4-H club here in Oktibbeha County.

    Courtney Headley: I am.

    Cobie Rutherford: And tell us about that club.

    Courtney Headley: I have a club that I started once I started working for 4-H. I wanted to see what the other side was like. I started my club and we have been active for over 10 years now.

    John Long: Name of club?

    Courtney Headley: The name of our club as the Clover Dogs 4-H Club in Oktibbeha County.

    John Long: Shout out to the Clover Dogs.

    Courtney Headley: Very thriving club. We started first with just some of my own children and church friends and or family and it has just exploded. It has been an amazing experience and I have loved every minute of it.

    John Long: How long were, you said you started in '07 in the 4-H office. How long was it before you started your 4-H club?

    Courtney Headley: About a year. About a year.

    John Long: Okay, so you really did, you really wanted to get involved in it?

    Courtney Headley: I did. I did not unfortunately get to grow up with 4-H

    • 19 min
    Where's The Beef?

    Where's The Beef?

    Dr's Brandi Karisch and Josh Maples talk all things beef and the benefits that 4-H beef projects can provide for youth today!


    Announcer: This is 4-H-4-U-2, a podcast from the Mississippi State University Extension Service, promoting 4-H programs and positive youth development. Here now are your hosts, Dr. John Long and Cobie Rutherford.

    John Long: And welcome to another edition of 4-H-4-U-2 podcast. I'm your host John Long.

    Cobie Rutherford: And I'm Cobie Rutherford.

    John Long: Cobie, how you doing today?

    Cobie Rutherford: Good for a Friday the 13th.

    John Long: And a full moon.

    Cobie Rutherford: That's right.

    John Long: It's going to be a wild night.

    Cobie Rutherford: Hoping that we'd get a good victory over Kansas State this weekend.

    John Long: Well, yeah. Let's get there. We got to get there first.

    Cobie Rutherford: That's right.

    John Long: Got any superstitions you're...

    Cobie Rutherford: You know, I'm not really superstitious about anything, to be honest with you.

    John Long: Really? That's interesting.

    Cobie Rutherford: No, not really. I mean, I do X out black cats, when they cross the road, on my windshield.

    John Long: I do too and reverse X white cats.

    Cobie Rutherford: I don't know why I do that.

    John Long: I don't know. It's just the way I was brought up, I guess.

    Cobie Rutherford: Maybe so.

    John Long: My folks were probably more superstitious, I guess. Well, we've got two special guests with us today, and Cobie, I'm going to let you introduce who we have with us.

    Cobie Rutherford: So this morning we have Dr. Brandi Karisch and Dr. Josh Maples with us, and we'll let them tell a little bit about themselves.

    Brandi Karisch: I'm Brandi Karisch. I am the state beef cattle extension specialist here at Mississippi State and I'm excited to be joining you all today.

    John Long: We're happy to have you.

    Josh Maples: And I'm Josh Maples. I'm a livestock economist and just commodity economist here at Mississippi State. And thanks for having me on the program this morning.

    John Long: Absolutely, glad to have you. Now, let me ask you all, do you all have any superstitions? Brandi, do you have any?

    Brandi Karisch: Oh, I'm sure there's lots of little quirks, but none of them directly related to Friday the 13th. You can't walk under a ladder. That's bad luck.

    John Long: Right, that's bad luck for sure. I never do that. I just don't think it's a smart thing to do in the first place, especially if somebody's on it.

    Cobie Rutherford: That's right.

    John Long: Josh, how about you? Do you got any superstitions?

    Josh Maples: Yeah, most of mine are sports related. So if my team is doing really bad and then I walk away and they start doing really good, I don't watch them.

    John Long: Really? Okay.

    Josh Maples: And so I think it's all in whether I'm watching or not is what's causing them to do better.

    John Long: Exactly. Exactly.

    Brandi Karisch: We have the same thing in our house, but sometimes you have to go change shirts also.

    Josh Maples: Yeah, that's true.

    Brandi Karisch: If your team is losing and you change shirts.

    Josh Maples: 2014, Daks, I guess, junior year when we were so good, I wore the same shirt for every single game.

    Brandi Karisch: Did you really?

    Josh Maples: And it worked out until the very end, you know, but ...

    John Long: Of course. Yeah. Well go ahead.

    Cobie Rutherford: Josh and Brandi. I used to work real close with them when I was over in the animal dairy science department, and they're actually thinking about starting their own podcast about the beef cattle industry.

    John Long: Well, don't let us run you off from doing one. Okay. Because we have a lot of fun with it. We really do enjoy it. So I encourage you, if you're interested in doing one, please let us, Hey, let us be special guests.

    Cobie Rutherford: Yeah. Maybe this will be a launch board for them.

    John Long

    • 21 min
    Talking Horse with Dr. Clay Cavinder

    Talking Horse with Dr. Clay Cavinder

    Saddle up for a good time as Dr. Clay Cavinder rides into the studio this week to talk about the importance of horses!



    Announcer: This is 4H4U2, a podcast from the Mississippi State University Extension Service, promoting 4-H programs and positive youth development. Here, now your host, Dr. John Long and Cobie Rutherford.

    John Long: Welcome to 4H4U2, where we talk about all things 4-H, 4-H youth development, life skills, preparation for the future, and giving back to the community. I'm your host, John Long.

    Cobie Rutherford: And good morning, I'm Cobie Rutherford.

    John Long: Cobie, how are you doing today?

    Cobie Rutherford: Doing well, it's Friday.

    John Long: Awesome.

    Cobie Rutherford: Football Friday.

    John Long: Woo-hoo! We got our first home football game, and people are already putting their tents up. So, we're getting fired up, and you and I both have our maroon on, as well as our guest that we have today. Cobie, why don't you go ahead and introduce our guest?

    Cobie Rutherford: Well, John, I'm happy to have our guest here today. Dr. Clay Cavinder, he's a professor in the Department of Animal and Dairy Sciences here at Mississippi State. I guess, Clay, you started here about three or four months before I did, back in 2015.

    Clay Cavinder: That's right. January of 2015.

    Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, time's flying, isn't it?

    John Long: I remember when you, I don't know what that meeting was that we were at, but that was the first time I'd seen you. I think it was in 409. But anyway, I remember meeting you that day and them telling me that you were new, so that's, ooh, four years?

    Clay Cavinder: Four and a half, yeah. It'll be five, five this January.

    John Long: So Clay, tell us a little bit... Oh, I'm sorry, Go ahead.

    Cobie Rutherford: Oh, no. Go ahead. I was just going to say Clay is our equine specialist, for Extension.

    John Long: Yes. Yes, that's good to know what he does.

    Cobie Rutherford: Yeah. I should have said that earlier.

    John Long: You just wandered in here and says, "Can I be on a podcast?"

    Cobie Rutherford: No, not really.

    John Long: Even though he says he's a podcast junkie, so that that's good. He feels at home here, so that's just great.

    Clay Cavinder: I do. It's strange to actually be a part of it.

    John Long: Yeah, it's awesome. Look, Clay, tell us where you're from and just how you got to be where you're at today.

    Clay Cavinder: Man, that's-

    John Long: And spare no detail.

    Clay Cavinder: That's a long story, but the shortened version. I grew up in a little town in Southeast Oklahoma. It's weird. Anybody ever asks me that question, and I tell them a little town, they say, "Which one?" I say, Idabel. Everybody knows where it's at. You don't go through Idabel, you go to Idabel.

    Clay Cavinder: So, most people, for some reason, have been there, but I grew up there, finished school and undergrad there at Oklahoma State, and then, wound up in Texas.

    John Long: How far is that? I'm sorry, I'm going to... How far is that from Stillwater?

    Clay Cavinder: That's a good ways, four and a half, five hours.

    John Long: Ooh, okay, great.

    Clay Cavinder: As far as Southeast, you can get close to Texarkana, Texas.

    John Long: Okay, go ahead. I'm sorry.

    Clay Cavinder: So, I grew up close to the Red River, and then when I was finished up schooling at Oklahoma state, wound up through a series of events, but wound up in Texas doing a PhD. And then shortly after that, finishing up, they had a spot open there on faculty. And so I wound up staying on faculty at A&M for 11 and a half years.

    John Long: That's awesome.

    Clay Cavinder: And then, I don't know, it's just kind of a God thing, really. A position opened here, and through a weird series of events where my family moved here, and I've been blessed to be here for sure, since January '15.

    Cobie Rutherford: Wow, that's awesome. That's good

    • 21 min
    Southern PLN report

    Southern PLN report


    Announcer: This is 4-H-4-U-2. A podcast from the Mississippi State University Extension Service promoting 4-H programs and positive youth development. Here now, your host, Dr. John Long and Cobie Rutherford.

    Dr. John Long: Welcome to another edition of 4-H-4-U-2. I'm John Long.

    Cobie Rutherford: And I'm Cobie Rutherford.

    Dr. John Long: Cobie it is... I know we always seem like we start out talking about weather, but it is fantastic out there for a August day.

    Cobie Rutherford: It sure is John. That breeze feels mighty nice.

    Dr. John Long: Mm mm. Good things to come, good things to come for sure. Oh me, well we've been, again, busy and you and I've been traveling a little bit, but what did you do this past weekend? You have anything special.

    Cobie Rutherford: This past weekend I actually went down to Raymond for the South Mississippi Volunteer Leaders Association Forum, on Saturday. That was a good deal. Tammy Parker, shout out to her, she put on a great conference for the South Volunteers and Extension agents. Well attended. Great workshops. I guess we can spend a whole episode one of these days on the workshops we went over.

    Dr. John Long: Yeah, we need to get Tammy in here, I think that's a good idea.

    Cobie Rutherford: Yeah. And I'll tell you someone else we need in here is Erika McDaniel from Chickasaw County, she has started a 4-H dog club in her county, and it's fantastic. It could be a state wide program so easily.

    Dr. John Long: So what exactly do they do in that? Do you know?

    Cobie Rutherford: Well they kind of have all the-

    Dr. John Long: Or should we wait for Erika?

    Cobie Rutherford: Well we should probably wait for Erika, but all the things that they're doing like; teaching children how to properly handle their pets, how to feed their pets, differences in-

    Dr. John Long: Grooming.

    Cobie Rutherford: Different breeds of dogs, grooming, you name it.

    Dr. John Long: Mm-hmm.

    Cobie Rutherford: And then they're starting a little dog show, and basically it's an obedience class. So the kids take home what they learned, teach their dog, work with their dog, and basically strengthen that human animal bond.

    Dr. John Long: That's good.

    Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, it's very positive.

    Dr. John Long: I love dogs. Those dogs are great.

    Cobie Rutherford: And then there was just a whole lot of other good workshops. Rocheryl Ware in Hinds County did a nice workshop about 4-H 101 that's real informative. I hate to start naming names...

    Dr. John Long: No, no. You may leave somebody out, but still.

    Cobie Rutherford: Those are the ones I was interacting with the most. And in my workshop was all about the fair, which we talked about a couple weeks ago.

    Dr. John Long: You didn't have anybody go to sleep in there did you?

    Cobie Rutherford: No, I almost did, given the presentation, but people were writing down and asking questions, so I think they liked it.

    Dr. John Long: Well that's good.

    Cobie Rutherford: Maybe.

    Dr. John Long: That's always good. You know, it seems like sometimes when you're presenting something it's maybe not as interesting as you think it is, and then somebody says, "I really enjoyed that." And I guess that can be the case at times I guess.

    Cobie Rutherford: Yeah, kind of like, "Are you feeling empathy? Because that was awful."

    Dr. John Long: Right, "Yeah, thanks for trying to prop me up." But no, I know you did a good job.

    Dr. John Long: We actually, and I say we, my family and I went to a bow tournament and everybody but my wife shot so, we had a lot of fun. That's something I guess that... I shoot every day. It may not be, I don't know, whatever, but archery is one of my favorite things to do and it was really good to get to do that with my family and just to get out and, and get away. It was out of town too, so we had a little trip and that was a lot of fun. A lot of fun.

    Cobie R

    • 22 min

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