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The podcast where we mix a sometimes weird but always delicious cocktail of theology, philosophy, and spirituality.
We're a pastor and a philosopher who have discovered that sometimes pastors need philosophy, and sometimes philosophers need pastors. We tackle topics and interview guests that straddle the divide between our interests.
Who we are:
Randy Knie (Co-Host) - Randy is the founding and Lead Pastor of Brew City Church in Milwaukee, WI. Randy loves his family, the Church, cooking, and the sound of his own voice. He drinks boring pilsners.
Kyle Whitaker (Co-Host) - Kyle is a philosophy PhD and an expert in disagreement and philosophy of religion. Kyle loves his wife, sarcasm, kindness, and making fun of pop psychology. He drinks childish slushy beers.
Elliot Lund (Producer) - Elliot is a recovering fundamentalist. His favorite people are his wife and three boys, and his favorite things are computers and hamburgers. Elliot loves mixing with a variety of ingredients, including rye, compression, EQ, and bitters.

A Pastor and a Philosopher Walk into a Bar Randy Knie & Kyle Whitaker

    • Religion & Spirituality
    • 4.9 • 100 Ratings

The podcast where we mix a sometimes weird but always delicious cocktail of theology, philosophy, and spirituality.
We're a pastor and a philosopher who have discovered that sometimes pastors need philosophy, and sometimes philosophers need pastors. We tackle topics and interview guests that straddle the divide between our interests.
Who we are:
Randy Knie (Co-Host) - Randy is the founding and Lead Pastor of Brew City Church in Milwaukee, WI. Randy loves his family, the Church, cooking, and the sound of his own voice. He drinks boring pilsners.
Kyle Whitaker (Co-Host) - Kyle is a philosophy PhD and an expert in disagreement and philosophy of religion. Kyle loves his wife, sarcasm, kindness, and making fun of pop psychology. He drinks childish slushy beers.
Elliot Lund (Producer) - Elliot is a recovering fundamentalist. His favorite people are his wife and three boys, and his favorite things are computers and hamburgers. Elliot loves mixing with a variety of ingredients, including rye, compression, EQ, and bitters.

    Bonus Episode: Bourbon Tasting with the Power of Bourbon YouTube Channel

    Bonus Episode: Bourbon Tasting with the Power of Bourbon YouTube Channel

    This one is for the whiskey geeks. In this special bonus episode, we join our friends TJ, Chuck, and Brian at the Power of Bourbon YouTube channel for a blind-tasting of six exquisite bourbons. Along the way, we also find time to chat a bit about our podcast and introduce ourselves to their subscribers. And now we're sharing the experience with you, so you can get to know them! What you hear here is a slightly condensed version of the livestream we did on their channel. You can find the full unedited video version here.

    If you're not into bourbon, we won't be offended at all if you skip this one. Check back in a week for our next regular episode. Teaser: we have some thoughts about biblical inerrancy.

    SPOILER: We reveal what bourbons we taste as we're tasting them, but if you want to know ahead of time, or want to learn more about them after you listen, here they are:
    Old Forester 117 Whiskey Row Fire EditionBardstown Discovery Series #6Hardin's Creek Jacob's Well4 Roses Single Barrel Barrel Strength OESVLux Row 12 Year Double BarrelWoodford Reserve Master's Collection Oat Grain
    Production note: this was a YouTube livestream with six people in different locations, so the quality is what it is.

    Content note: this episode is entirely about bourbon, drinking bourbon, guessing what bourbon we're drinking, loving bourbon, paying too much money for bourbon, etc. So, you know, 21+.
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    How to Inhabit Time with James K.A. Smith

    How to Inhabit Time with James K.A. Smith

    We speak with philosopher James (Jamie) K.A. Smith about his new book How to Inhabit Time: Understanding the Past, Facing the Future, Living Faithfully Now. It's a contemplative exploration of what it means to be a temporal creature, a being constituted by a past and oriented toward a future. If that sounds heady, it's honestly one of the most spiritual and restful books we've featured on the show, and it's also philosophically informed and beautifully written. Jamie also loves music, and certain songs are featured prominently in the book, and there's a Spotify playlist that accompanies it which we'll link here when it's released. The books, articles, songs, and films mentioned in the conversation are:
    Gilead - Marilynne RobinsonImage JournalThe Brothers Karamazov - Fyodor DostoevskyLetter from Birmingham Jail - Martin Luther King, Jr.The Maternal Eye of Sally Mann - Sarah BoxerEvery Time I Hear That Song - Brandi CarlileWe Americans - The Avett BrothersIf We Were Vampires - Jason IsbellI'm Not My Season - Fleet FoxesWading in Waist-High Water: The Lyrics of Fleet FoxesAbout TimeThe beverage we tasted is Elijah Craig Toasted Barrel bourbon.

    The beverage tasting is at 4:10. To skip to the interview, go to 7:10.

    Content note: this episode contains some mild profanity.
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    A Conversation with Stanley Hauerwas

    A Conversation with Stanley Hauerwas

    Stanley Hauerwas. Do we need to say more? The man is the preeminent living American theologian and has formed and shaped Christian thought and practice for decades. Stanley is a gift to the Church, and we loved chatting with him. We talked about sola scriptura, Kierkegaard, pacifism, how to be a Christian in America today, and much more. The audio for this episode is not to our regular standard. We apologize for that, and hope you can hang in there. It's worth it when we're talking to a treasure like Stanley.

    The books mentioned in this episode are:
    Hannah's Child - Stanley HauerwasPrayers Plainly Spoken - Stanley Hauerwas Unleashing the Scripture: Freeing the Bible from Captivity to America - Stanley HauerwasThe Character of Virtue: Letters to a Godson - Stanley HauerwasBeginnings: Interrogating Hauerwas - Stanley Hauerwas and Brian BrockWar and the American Difference: Theological Reflections on Violence and National Identity - Stanley HauerwasThe Politics of Jesus - John Howard YoderWe tasted the incredible 12 Year Glenfarclas. Don't pass it by if you find some.

    The beverage tasting is at 4:45. To skip to the interview, go to 7:52.

    The transcript of this conversation is available here.

    Content note: this episode contains some mild profanity.
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    Creation, Inspiration and the Hebrew Scriptures: An Interview with Dr. John Walton

    Creation, Inspiration and the Hebrew Scriptures: An Interview with Dr. John Walton

    In this episode, we chat with John Walton, one of the foremost evangelical Old Testament scholars alive. Dr. Walton teaches Old Testament at Wheaton College in Illinois. John has also written groundbreaking books about Genesis 1 and 2, commentaries on Genesis and Job and many more books. We chat about creation, ancient people groups and cultures that the Bible was written in, inspiration and much more.

    We sampled Toast by the always delicious Basil Hayden. Cheers!

    The beverage tasting is at 6:01. To skip to the interview, go to 9:20.
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    What Bar Culture Can Teach the Church: Patreon Bonus

    What Bar Culture Can Teach the Church: Patreon Bonus

    Why is "bar" part of the theme of our show (besides the obvious joke)? Kyle and Randy break this down with the help of an excellent article by Rich Manning called "The Complicated Journey from Holy Studies to Hospitality," which interviews various bartenders about their experiences in the seemingly contrasting spaces of the hospitality industry and the church.

    The article gives us occasion to discuss why we do adult beverage tastings, why people are often more comfortable in bars than churches, Randy's time in the hospitality industry, what we think about the risk of alcoholism, and more. It also gives us an opportunity to tease our Patreon in our regular episode feed. If you're already a subscriber, catch the full conversation over at our Patreon page. If you're not, enjoy this teaser and consider subscribing at www.patreon.com/apastorandaphilosopher. Thanks for your support!

    The bourbon featured in this episode is Noteworthy (Randy) and Bardstown Discovery Series (Kyle).

    Production note: we don't typically use our usual fancy setup for bonus content, so apologies that the audio quality is a bit lower than our regular episodes.
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    Deconstructing Deconstruction

    Deconstructing Deconstruction

    Deconstruction. What is it, why are so many doing it, and why are so many others apparently so threatened by it? We've said a few times on the show that we don't want to be just another deconstruction podcast, but we've never quite fully explained what we mean. So we sat down to work through our own experiences with deconstruction and what we've heard from others, to try to put our finger on what it is about it that leaves us wanting more, and to think together about what might be a richer alternative. Along the way, we try to be as respectful as we can to those going through it--which includes all of us in one way or another--and we also describe the weaknesses of some prominent critiques of it that we've heard. We hope this conversation will be beneficial to you if, like us, you've had reason to question the faith that you were given.

    The book Randy mentions in the conversation is Radical Amazement by Judy Cannato.

    The beverage we taste in this episode is Elliot's Revenge from the always stellar Manic Meadery.

    The beverage tasting is at 8:25. To skip to the interview, go to 12:36.

    Content note: this episode contains some mild profanity, mention of abuse, and some adult language.
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Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
100 Ratings

100 Ratings

Emma (apparently a runner now) ,

I ran a half-marathon thanks to you guys.

In the spring, I stumbled upon the podcast because I was trying to hear some interviews of Beth Allison Barr. I immediately was drawn to the honest reflections that related the Christian tradition, God's word in the world, God's word in scripture, and the human experience. My fiance and I had been in the long process of finding a church we felt comfortable in, having grown up in and been surrounded by conservative evangelicalism our whole lives. We started listening to the podcast regularly, somewhat as a beacon of hope for a community we were looking for in church. It's helped put words to some of our inner wrestlings and shifts in thought. We've appreciated Kyle and Randy's wisdom and insight into a broad array of topics relevant to Christians today, but more so, we've gained and learned so much from the plurality of voices speaking on the show. Hearing from people who come from so many different corners of humanity has been crucial in shaping our perspectives on what it means to love like Christ today. In the past couple months, I've listened through about 25 episodes, because I decided to run a half-marathon, something I'd never done before, and it took a *lot* of time for me to get strong enough to run 13 miles. So every time I went for a run, I pressed play on an episode, and listened to you guys argue about yet another important topic with yet another cool guest that I hadn't heard of before. So thanks to you guys, I ran a half-marathon last Saturday! Cheers.

dobsfletch ,

My compass

Short and simple, this podcast has become my go-to compass to help me navigate, and put words to, my current state of affairs; my deconstruction deep dive.
Thanks, you guys!

michelemcgo ,

The podcast we all need to hear

I stumbled onto this podcast a couple of weeks ago and I couldn’t be more thankful. Full of stellar content, the choice of guests and topics are so relevant to today - particularly for those feeling a bit lonely in the Christian realm. It's just solid and honest and transparent, and I so appreciate that. I take the pastor and philosopher with me on my walks down country paths in Michigan and come back home a little bit better than I left - always a good thing!

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