And The Next Thing You Know is a podcast about how our lives go exactly not as we planned them. No matter how hard we cling to our plans for college and career and relationships and creative goals, it's actually the disruptions in our lives, the wrenches and the tangents, that throw us in a different direction and force us to inhabit these beautiful, messy, trauma filled, disappointing, gorgeous, sexy lives, despite ourselves. Find us, and host Suzie Sherman, at nextthingpodcast.com; nextthingpod on fb, gmail, & patreon; soozenextthing on insta & twitter.
The banana peel is by Max Ronnersjö. Theme and interstitial music is by Jon Schwartz.
On Planets, Poetry, and Patent Law with Oliver Strimpel
On Planets, Poetry, and Patent Law with Oliver Strimpel
In this episode of And The Next Thing You Know, I talk with the creator and host of the podcast Geology Bites, Oliver Strimpel.
If you’re curious about what drives plate tectonics, or about the composition of rocks and the amazing amount of information they contain about Earth’s prehistoric climates, if you’ve ever wondered what shapes a mountain ridge, or a canyon, Geology Bites is a podcast for the geoscience informed and the just curious alike!
In the episode, we talk about the path Oliver has taken from his childhood in India, marveling in the Himalayas, to his PhD work in astrophysics studying galaxy clusters, to his curation work at the Science Museum in London, to his move to the United States in the 1980s to direct the Computer Museum in Boston. Oliver’s career path then took a turn to patent law, and we talk about how the language of patents is kind of like poetry, and helps with podcast editing, as it turns out. Through it all, Oliver is driven by genuine curiosity and joy in learning about how the cosmos works, and the ingenuity humans use to understand it.
Find Oliver’s podcast Geology Bites at geologybites.com or in your podcast app.
Left: Oliver Strimpel in the field. Courtesy of Oliver and Harriet Strimpel
A note on the timing of this episode and some corrections: At the beginning of the episode, Oliver says he started his podcast “last July” and that really means July of 2020, because it was already July of 2021 when we sat down together to talk. Later on, Oliver mentions that he’s about to publish episode number 37, which was his conversation with guest, Steve D’Hondt, about 100-million-year-old bacterial colonies living in the abyssal clay at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.
That episode of Geology Bites was also posted back in July of 2021. Geology Bites is soon to break 60 episodes. I am posting this episode of And The Next Thing You Know several months after Oliver and I sat down to talk, so the time registry between our conversation and this episode are out of sync. My apologies for the continuity confusion.One more correction, also at the beginning of the episode, Oliver guesses that Nanga Parbat is about the “fifth or sixth” highest peak in the world; it is in fact, the ninth highest peak.
Speaking Up and F*****g Up with Kati Douglas
Early childhood educator and photographer Kati Douglas and I talk about her career in the education field and what her first few years in leadership were like. We talk about what it’s like to deal with white supremacy as a biracial Black mom of Black kids with a Black partner. We also talk about how her struggle with postpartum depression catalyzed a radical career path change, and how she puts equity and justice at the center of all her work.You can find Kati’s absolutely gorgeous photography work at
xilophotography.com and @xilophotography on instagram.
A couple quick references in the episode:We talk about the wonderful Buen Dia Family School, serving preschoolers in the Mission in San Francisco.
Kati’s principal at Flynn Elementary in San Francisco was Dr. Karling Aguilera-Fort, now a superintendent of schools in Southern California.
We talk in the episode about the acquittal of Treyvon Martin’s murderer, and about the murder of George Floyd, and the Black Lives Matter movement. Learn BLM herstory here.Sound effects in this episode by jackjames_tomknevitt – “Zip dot Wav,” used under a CC BY 3.0 license.Find their audio at freesound.org.Thank you to ALL my patrons for making this podcast happen, and for making it better! And a special shout out, as always, to my Failure and Redemption level patrons: Noah, Melissa, Marck, Lisa, Kurt, Kristina, Jen, Jeannie, Heather, Elyse, Liz, Eidell, Bonnie, Barry, and Amy, and to my Serendipity level patrons, Steve and Cyndi, Micharelle, Laurie, Kristi, Dorian, Brittany and Jodi.
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The banana peel is by Max Ronnersjömaxronnersjo.tumblr.comThe theme and interstitial music is by Jon Schwartztwitter.com/schwartstack
Dana Morrigan Sings in Her Own Voice
Photo credit: Tristan Crane, from their series Here Portraits.hereportraits.com
Today, I talk with Dana Morrigan, wonderful human, wry wit, queer nonbinary transfeminine spoken word artist, writer, performer, and epic karaoke host! It’s about her quest for self-knowledge across many parts of her life: in her cultural affiliations, in her work, in her relationships, in her gender and sexuality, in finding her creative callings. And the through-line is really that the process of finding ourselves is lifelong, and, if you’re doing it right, you can help other people find themselves, too.
We talked about: growing up in the Catskills of the ‘60s and ‘70s; identifying with cultural outlaws like Tiny Tim and Harpo Marx, and identifying with genderfluid and sexually free hippie culture; we talked comedy and improv; performance; writing, both creatively and professionally; copywriting; the demands of academia; heteronormative relationship expectations; gender and sexual discovery; finding the language to better understand oneself; the lifelong project of integrating one’s sense of self and belonging; finding and creating community; queer and trans performance; queer open mic; karaoke…and so many other things!
Find Dana!Karaoke With Dana on Facebook@KaraokeWithDana on Instagram and @KaraokeWithDana on Twitter
Melville’s Bartleby, The Scrivenerwikipedia.org/wiki/Bartleby,_the_Scrivener
Walter Sobchak doesn’t roll on Shabbosyoutube.com/watch?v=KmULYr1nsZ0
Bob and Ray radio showswikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_and_Ray
One of the main open mic events Dana performed at was The SF Queer Open Mic. They no longer hold events, but you can still find the community on Facebookfacebook.com/SFQueerOpenMicAnd at the SF Queer Open Mic archivequeeropenmic.com
Dana also participated in the Fresh Meat Festival of Trans and Queer Performance freshmeatproductions.org
El Rio in San Franciscoelriosf.com
Glen Campbell performing “Rhinestone Cowboy&...
I Was a Conservative Christian. Now, I’m a Polytheist Clown Nun.
Kurt Granzow came into himself as a gay man at the same time that he found conservative Lutheranism in the San Francisco Bay Area in the early 90s. What came next was a decade of communion and pursuit of ministry within the church, all the while denying his own need to express his true sexuality and capacities for an authentic kind of personal, queer love in his life. He’s spent the last two decades finding queer and spiritual community outside the church, and is now also known as Sister Krissy Fiction of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, an international order of queer nuns promelgating universal joy and expiating stigmatic guilt!
We talked about:
Coming out in the early 90s; conservative Christianity and Lutheranism; conservative Christian theology; the so-called “ex-gay” movement; LGBTQ parents; pressure in the church toward heterosexual marriage; missionary travel; being closeted; September 11; Portland, Oregon; exploring liberal Christianity and paganism, neo-paganism; the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence; gay and trans Pride; examining and leveraging white cis privilege to work against oppression of people of color and trans folks.
References: Why Morrissey is a dicktheguardian.com/music/2019/may/30/bigmouth-strikes-again-morrissey-songs-loneliness-shyness-misfits-far-right-party-tonight-show-jimmy-fallonA good summary of how J.K. Rowling confirmed her commitment to trans exclusionforbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2019/12/19/jk-rowling-comes-out-as-a-terf/?sh=407c94275d70Crystal Frasier on Twittertwitter.com/AmazonChique
The downfall of Exodus International, and the “ex-gay” movementtime.com/3065495/9-ex-leaders-of-the-gay-conversion-therapy-movement-apologize
The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgencethesisters.orgThe Radical Faeries – a history of the Faeries by one of the co-founders, Don Kilhefnerwehoville.com/2020/04/07/the-radical-faeries-at-40-rainbow-capitalism-or-queer-liberationThe Trevor Project resources for LGBTQIAA youth and adult alliesthetrevorproject.org/resources
Correction, for historicity’s sake, The LGBT group in 1990-1992, at De Anza College in Cupertino, California,
When I pitched my guest, Shawn, about coming onto the show, my original idea was just talking to her about her career change from being a lawyer to becoming a psychotherapist. She counter-pitched me a story that I couldn’t resist.She said, and I’m paraphrasing, “Let me tell you about that time I drank from a lucky fountain.” And from here our story departs. This conversation is about several consequential events in Shawn’s life. The subjects are emotionally heavy, but there is so much joy and levity and emotional wisdom that Shawn brings to her story. This conversation just glows. Main themes:psychology, therapy, mental health, spirituality, travel, family, queer families, parenting, pregnancy, abortion, grief, adoption, adoptee experience, career path, queer, lgbt, lgbtqqia, Bay Area, Hawaii, Spain, relationships.References:The fountain at Covadongahttps://bit.ly/fountain7Shawn’s Your Fellow Traveler page: https://bit.ly/round1part1Psychology and spiritual frameworks referenced in the episode: attachment theorycognitive behavioral therapypsychodynamic approach Wilhelm Reich/Reichian psychotherapycore shamanismDiamond ApproachJudith Blackstone* * * * *We are And The Next Thing You Know. Thank you to ALL my patrons, and especially my Failure & Redemption level patrons: Bonita, Barry, Liz, Jen, Melissa, Noah, Elyse, Amy, Jeannie, and Heather, and my Serendipity level patrons: Dorian, Emily and Brittany.Our official HQ is at: https://nextthingpodcast.comJoin the discussion at: https://www.facebook.com/nextthingpod/Email us, or send us your own And The Next Thing You Know story by recording a voice memo on your phone and emailing it to:firstname.lastname@example.orgSupport the show by becoming a patron!https://patreon.com/nextthingpodBanana peel by Max Ronnersjö.http://maxronnersjo.tumblr.comTheme and interstitial music by Jon Schwartz.http://twitter.com/schwartstack.
A Cruisible of Sorts with Amelia Ray
*I was oblivious to the pun when I said it in the episode!
Today’s episode marks the one-year anniversary of the podcast! I posted the very first episode in September, 2019, way back in the Before Times. I feel really proud of And The Next Thing You Know, and I’m so, so grateful for everyone who’s listening, and for all your support and love and retweets and telling your friends about the show, and for supporting us at Patreon, and for just being here with me in these extraordinary times. If you’re new to the podcast, welcome! If you’re an old friend of the show, thanks for sticking with us.
Today, I talk to Amelia Ray. Amelia is a musician based in Helsinki, and before that, San Francisco, and before that, Reykjavík, and before that, many many other ports of call. We talk about the circumstances that led her to become an avid traveler and eventually a performer aboard tropical cruise ships.
You never know when a three-hour tour could become a way of life…hashtag Gilligan’s Island, hashtag popculture references for old people. You’ll hear a few more of those in this episode. You’ll also get to hear Amelia sing her song “Constant Traveller,” recorded live during our conversation.
Amelia is the creator of the Quarantuned Music Festival, the variety show Up, Up, and A Ray, and the MashUpheaval podcast, an all-request show wherein she dunks your chocolate in her peanut butter to create a tasty new blend of musical delights.
Find Amelia at
AmeliaRayDotNetCatch the Up, Up, and A Ray show at
upupandaray.comSubscribe to the MashUpheaval podcast wherever you listen to podcasts.
Support Amelia on Patreon at
Amelia’s got new singles in the hopper, so do drop by amelia ray dot net for updates!
How we’re holding up during the COVID crisis, feelings about the Black Lives Matter uprising in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, travel to other countries, being a working musician, the process of creating music projects and uplifting others’ work, playing music on cruise ships, yacht rock, mental health, family and relationships.
Comic and podcaster Lauren Flans
Illustrator Patrick Strausshttps://www.instagram.com/pesdrawings/
Family Tradition by Hank Williams, Jr.
Global Giving: Coronavirus Relief Fund
Heartfelt, honest storytelling
Relatable people telling the stories of the twisty paths of their lives. It's a window into the ways that each of our lives is unique despite the apparent similarities. As the stories unfold it becomes very clear how the person sharing was shaped by the events that led them where they are.
Suzie's interview style is gentle but just probing enough to turn over stones. Delightful!
I enjoyed Nannette’s episode as a student and admirer of death in all its many manifestations ( currently working on a book ). I have never heard of a death doula but it totally makes sense . I might want to talk about dying with Nannette myself !
I am also at a fork in the career path - in contemplation of a minor tweek to my long term path out of need for more job satisfaction and joy and time to think . I’m a woman of a zillion jobs too and I can relate and also find myself inspired at a time where other people’s reaction to the possibility I am working on has been less than .
Suzie does such good interviews. The Janessa episode brought tears to my eyes and made me laugh. So good.