Ape Expert Frans de Waal Versus Anthropodenial Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
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Author and primatologist Frans de Waal talks about great apes, not-so-great humans, animal emotions and anthropodenial with Skaana (@Skaanapod) host Mark Leiren-Young (@leirenyoung).
Skaana podcasts connect you to news and experts and their discussions about environments, oceans, and orcas.
* Join the Pod......https://www.patreon.com/mobydoll
* Spotify...............www.bit.ly/spotify-skaana
* Apple Podcasts.........www.skaana.ca
* The Orca Bites Podcast (on anchor) .........www.orcabites.com
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* Skaana home......www.skaana.org
* Skaana on Medium......www.orcatales.com
* Our Latest Orca Videos...www.jpod.news
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* Facebook............https://www.facebook.com/skaanapod/
* Twitter...............https://twitter.com/leirenyoung
* Instagram............https://www.instagram.com/skaanapod/
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For more on the life and work of Frans de Waal
* His new book - Different - what can apes teach us about sex and gender? https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/apr/17/frans-de-waal-in-other-primates-i-dont-find-the-kind-of-intolerance-we-have
* His Ted Talk - Do Animals Have Morals http://www.ted.com/talks/frans_de_waal_do_animals_have_morals
* And here he is on Facebook
Books on Amazon and Classes
**Amazon links are affiliate links and support our podcast, thanks for clicking!
* The Killer Whale Who Changed the World… http://amzn.to/2pRNU1q
* Orcas Everywhere… http://www.orcaseverywhere.com
* Paint the Ocean You Wish to See with Rayne Ellycrys Benu… digital-enlightenment.net
* The Force of Doubt by Rayne Ellycrys Benu... https://books2read.com/forceofdoubt
Show Notes
1:30 – Intro
3:35 – Defining anthropodenial.
6:05 – Anthropomorphism and primates.
7:02 – “That's the interesting part is we are so human-centric that we can deal with facial expressions, but not with the expressions of an elephant who do a lot of things was their trunk and ears, but their face is not very mobile.”
8:31 - Are humans a “successful” species?
11:05 - On human exceptionalism. "People always want to be special."
12:40 – “If related species show similar behavior under similar circumstances, you have to use the same terminology because the psychology behind it is probably similar too.”
13:28 – How science’s relationship with anthropomorphism is changing.
14:40 - Laughing chimps.
16:15 -Why primatologists use names for apes not numbers.
17:58 - Animals and grief. "All animals that have attachments can also grieve."
20:30 -"I'm not against humanizing animals or animalizing humans."
22:49 – Survival of the kindest versus survival of the fittest.
26:00 – Talking about his book Mama’s Last Hug.
Author and primatologist Frans de Waal talks about great apes, not-so-great humans, animal emotions and anthropodenial with Skaana (@Skaanapod) host Mark Leiren-Young (@leirenyoung).
Skaana podcasts connect you to news and experts and their discussions about environments, oceans, and orcas.
* Join the Pod......https://www.patreon.com/mobydoll
* Spotify...............www.bit.ly/spotify-skaana
* Apple Podcasts.........www.skaana.ca
* The Orca Bites Podcast (on anchor) .........www.orcabites.com
-
* Skaana home......www.skaana.org
* Skaana on Medium......www.orcatales.com
* Our Latest Orca Videos...www.jpod.news
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* Facebook............https://www.facebook.com/skaanapod/
* Twitter...............https://twitter.com/leirenyoung
* Instagram............https://www.instagram.com/skaanapod/
Support Our Guest
For more on the life and work of Frans de Waal
* His new book - Different - what can apes teach us about sex and gender? https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/apr/17/frans-de-waal-in-other-primates-i-dont-find-the-kind-of-intolerance-we-have
* His Ted Talk - Do Animals Have Morals http://www.ted.com/talks/frans_de_waal_do_animals_have_morals
* And here he is on Facebook
Books on Amazon and Classes
**Amazon links are affiliate links and support our podcast, thanks for clicking!
* The Killer Whale Who Changed the World… http://amzn.to/2pRNU1q
* Orcas Everywhere… http://www.orcaseverywhere.com
* Paint the Ocean You Wish to See with Rayne Ellycrys Benu… digital-enlightenment.net
* The Force of Doubt by Rayne Ellycrys Benu... https://books2read.com/forceofdoubt
Show Notes
1:30 – Intro
3:35 – Defining anthropodenial.
6:05 – Anthropomorphism and primates.
7:02 – “That's the interesting part is we are so human-centric that we can deal with facial expressions, but not with the expressions of an elephant who do a lot of things was their trunk and ears, but their face is not very mobile.”
8:31 - Are humans a “successful” species?
11:05 - On human exceptionalism. "People always want to be special."
12:40 – “If related species show similar behavior under similar circumstances, you have to use the same terminology because the psychology behind it is probably similar too.”
13:28 – How science’s relationship with anthropomorphism is changing.
14:40 - Laughing chimps.
16:15 -Why primatologists use names for apes not numbers.
17:58 - Animals and grief. "All animals that have attachments can also grieve."
20:30 -"I'm not against humanizing animals or animalizing humans."
22:49 – Survival of the kindest versus survival of the fittest.
26:00 – Talking about his book Mama’s Last Hug.
59 min