Jeannie Yandel and Eula Scott Bynoe break down how sexism works in the modern workplace. And with help from some badass experts, they bring you real tactics you can use to fight back.
Running Out Of Words
After the latest series of national events where, as Eula says, the country has "played us for f***ing fools", Eula and Jeannie have decided it's time for a break. Like so many of us, they need some quiet and some rest. They're taking a break for the summer but hope to be back in the fall.
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It's a really hard time to be a human. Take care of yourselves. 3 See you in a few months.
Firing The Voice Police (Part 2) With The Vocal Fries
When we asked the BTSW Facebook group whether they'd ever been voice policed on the job, we got a ton of stories and responses. So many that we decided we needed to dedicate a whole episode just to those stories. So today is Part 2 of our conversation with the hosts of the excellent podcast The Vocal Fries - the podcast about linguistic discrimination.
Megan Figueroa is a linguist, writer, and research scientist, and Carrie Gillon is also a linguist and the language planner and researcher for the Squamish nation in British Columbia.
If you haven't heard Part 1 yet, go check it out. The Vocal Fries drop some truly amazing wisdom about the connections between voice and grammar policing and white supremacy and colonialism.
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Firing The Voice Police (Part 1) With The Vocal Fries
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**NOTE: During this episode, we refer to Rachel Jeantel by her last name only. We wanted to clarify and use her full name here. Rachel Jeantel was a primary prosecution witness at Trayvon Martin's murder trial. Court officials claimed she was "hard to understand" and ultimately her testimony was dismissed as not credible.**
A couple months ago, Jeannie asked the BTSW Facebook group whether anyone had ever gotten criticized for how they speak or sound while at work. The response was overwhelming. So many listeners had stories about getting their voice or speech policed on the job.
Megan Figueroa and Carrie Gillon know about voice policing better than most - and the many ways it causes more harm than good. They're the cohosts of the excellent podcast The Vocal Fries, the podcast about linguistic discrimination. Plus, Carrie is a former professor of linguistics and the Language Planner and Researcher for the Squamish Nation, and Megan recently finished her PhD at the University of Arizona, where she's a Project Manager at a language development lab. Carrie and Megan go deep on the ways linguistic discrimination can harm women on the job and elsewhere, and why all of us who have taken joy in correcting someone for using the wrong "your" or "their" on Twitter maybe need to check ourselves.
A BTSW Tactic In Action: Going Public About A Pay Gap
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"BREAKING: Schwing quits the Northwest News Network. The reason? My male colleagues make tens of thousands of dollars more for the same work. And TBH, making this public scares the S-H-star-T out of me. "
That was a tweet reporter Emily Schwing sent in March 2019, after quitting her job with something called the Northwest News Network. That’s a collection of public radio stations in Washington and Idaho that do regional news reporting. (BTSW's old production partner, KUOW, is part of the Northwest News Network.)
We talked with Emily because she DID a tactic we actually talked about on the show - she quit a job because she felt like she was dealing with a gender pay gap. And then - even though she didn’t really want to go public about why she quit- she went public about why she quit.
And then something unexpected happened - her tweet went kinda viral. Local newspapers picked up the story. And suddenly Emily found herself wondering what was going to happen to her job prospects if future employers Googled her and found all this stuff about her complaining about being underpaid at her previous job.
FWIW: Emily has done some amazing work since March 2019 - with The New York Times, The Washington Post, and with the excellent podcasts Reveal and 70 Million.
Old Boys' Clubs, Dress Codes, And "Feminists": Advice With Keita Williams AKA Success Bully
Over the course of making this podcast, we have gotten a lot of messages from listeners asking for help, perspective, and advice on crappy work situations. Eula and Jeannie rounded up a bunch of those messages and brought in some deep expertise to help respond - in the form of the fantastic Keita Williams, founder and head of the elite accountability practice Success Bully. She brings insight and tons of tactics for sticky (wait! we mean sexist and racist) workplace dilemmas.
NOTE: This episode was originally recorded in The Before Times (2019), but disappointingly, the problems listeners wrote in about then - from self-proclaimed woke dude co-workers who come down harder on women to gendered pay gaps to leaders bragging about never taking a sick day - are still extremely relevant. Yes, bosses are still being stingy about sick time DURING A PANDEMIC. It's a real thing. Let's all take a moment to sigh in disappointment.
Diversity Guests: A Chat With TBTL's Luke Burbank And Andrew Walsh
We have often talked *about* straight cis white dudes on this show. But the number of times we've talked *to* them on the show? Next to never. So we wanted to revisit this bonus episode from the Before Times with two of our favorite dudes, Luke Burbank and Andrew Walsh, the co-hosts of the long-running daily podcast Too Beautiful To Live. We talked about allyship and their own evolving thoughts about racism and sexism on the job.
Luke also hosts Live Wire on public radio stations everywhere and Andrew also co-hosts the delightful podcasts Spotless and After These Messages.
Thank you for all the work you do. Just thank you!!!! So so much.
A smart and engaging podcast.
Good show, hosts need more support
When the show is “on,” so-to-speak, it’s fantastic. Insightful, informative, and the only show that really “goes there” with issues we are aware of, but don’t talk about. Guests are interesting, and the hosts are smart and well-informed.
The hosts have had a lot of personal challenges… Issues with the podcast sponsor, deaths in the family, mental and physical health struggles, etc. There was a weird period where Eula was talking a lot about astrology during otherwise legit interviews; I imagine the personal struggles she was having led to this. It was… distracting.. The frequent “breaks” in episodes/seasons with no reliable restart date made it really hard to keep listening. They’re on another one right now.. I want this show to succeed. I think the hosts need more support to make it happen. Here for it!