44 episodes

Holding space for the margins,
the breath between words,
the kern between letters,
the rest between notes.

The Betwixt podcast is devoted to the space where faith and culture converge. Conversations with fascinating guests will coax us out of our ideological trenches with betwixing stories from the middle space.


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    • Religion & Spirituality

Holding space for the margins,
the breath between words,
the kern between letters,
the rest between notes.

The Betwixt podcast is devoted to the space where faith and culture converge. Conversations with fascinating guests will coax us out of our ideological trenches with betwixing stories from the middle space.


    An Advent Meditation on Mary and Eve

    An Advent Meditation on Mary and Eve

    To view the image of Mary and Eve, visit https://www.monasterycandy.com/Detail?prod=99

    To download the Advent Pantoum Exercise, visit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1np5jrZh56khbftckpXIKm6DkCPnwchilHsAS0SSqCRQ/edit?usp=sharing

    “The knot of Eve’s disobedience was untied by Mary’s obedience. For what the virgin Eve tied by her unbelief, this Mary untied by her belief.” Ireneus 

    Do you know the Deliverance Song women echoed in Mary's Magnificat?

    This Betwixt Podcast Advent Meditation explores the daughter's of Eve who not only expected God's salvation, but to play a part in his salvation plan. Their stories are traced in this image as Mary Consoles Eve.

    Three woman in particular arose to cooperate with God's plan of salvation and helped craft the tradition of Deliverance Song. We hear their "Yes!" to God and battle cries echoed in Mary's magnificent anthem of revolution.

    Listen in as we meditate on this crayon and pencil image of Mary consoling Eve created by Sr Grace Remington at Our Lady of the Mississippi Abbey in Iowa. 

    The episode ends with an Advent Pantoum exercise. You can download a copy of it here and join along.

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    Thanks to these artists for making their work available for use:
    Ryvoli: Roots
    Jon Luc Hefferman:  A Storm at Eilean Mor
    Kai Engel: Neon Flesh, Idea, Run, Fyeri,
    Lee Rosevere: Taking the Time
    Sr Grace Remington (image used with permission)

    • 25 min
    27 BONUS TRACK: Behind the Scenes with Mandy Smith on Virtue, Women and the Awakenings Luncheon

    27 BONUS TRACK: Behind the Scenes with Mandy Smith on Virtue, Women and the Awakenings Luncheon

    Bonus Track to Episode 27 with Karen Swallow Prior. Listen to the Behind the scenes conversation with Mandy Smith about virtue, women and the women's luncheon at the Awakenings Gathering.

    • 24 min
    27 Karen Swallow Prior On Reading Well (& Why Virtue is tricky for Women)

    27 Karen Swallow Prior On Reading Well (& Why Virtue is tricky for Women)

    Today on the Betwixt Podcast, Dr. Karen Swallow Prior talks about her newest book On Reading Well: Finding the Good Life through Great Literature. Her book walks readers through twelves literary works that show us how to live virtuously.

    "Literature is like a boxing ring of ideas where we can try out and test ideas.” -

    We also discuss the virtue (or vice) of angry reading, Prior's combat boots and why virtue is so tricky for women.

    “The latin root word for virtue is the same root word for man. So virtue literally meant manliness.” Historically, women have not been expected to be virtuous - with the exception of the 19th century ideal of chastity.

    When it comes to women’s issues, Prior notices a binary trap. You’re either conservative or progressive. Or you are either egalitarian or complementarian. "It’s a binary based on opposition, conflict, disagreement and denouncement.” What it might look like for women to defy labels and come together in unity, support and affirmation?

    Karen Swallow Prior is Professor of English at Liberty University. She is the author of Booked: Literature in the Soul of Me, Fierce Convictions: The Extraordinary Life of Hannah More—Poet, Reformer, Abolitionist, and her latest book On Reading Well: Finding the Good Life through Great Literature.

    She lives in Virginia with her husband Roy and sundry horses, dogs and chickens.

    Special Bonus: Mandy Smith joins the conversation to talk about a powerful moment at the Women’s Luncheon during the Missio Alliance Awakenings Gathering. Through that story, we explore how God is calling women to live and lead virtuously for the sake of the Church and the world.

    Links
    Twitter: @KSPrior
    karenswallowprior.com

    • 48 min
    26 Phileena Heuertz on Mindful Silence (Action & Contemplation P 2)

    26 Phileena Heuertz on Mindful Silence (Action & Contemplation P 2)

    “Christian life is not a life divided between times for action and times for contemplation. No. Real social action is a way of contemplation, and real contemplation is the core of social action.” Henri Nouwen

    Continuing our series on Action & Contemplation, Phileena Heuertz talks about contemplation. How do contemplation and action work together? Why are practices of reflection and contemplative prayer essential to meaningful impact in the world?

    Phileena Heuertz spent 20 years working as an activist in some of the worlds toughest places. And then she had a crisis of faith.

    "I really needed a practice that could hold me. Before, it was me holding my faith. But I needed my faith to hold me. I needed to let go. I needed to be held by God."

    Today, Phileena is a spiritual director and teacher of contemplative prayer. She helps other activists and ministry leaders deepen their relationships with God, discern their unconscious motivations for service and cultivate practices of stillness, silence and solitude. 

    “Solitude teaches us to be present. Silence teaches us to listen. Stillness teaches us what appropriate engagement looks like.” - Phileena Heuertz

    Phileena’s new book Mindful Silence examines these three contemplative themes. She asks how we can offer a different kind of presence in the world that activates redemptive impact?

    Phileena Heuertz is the author of Pilgrimage of the Soul and her new book Mindful Silence: The Heart of Christian Contemplation. She is a spiritual director and founding partner of Gravity, a center for contemplative activism in Omaha Nebraska where she lives with her husband Chris.

    "There are unconscious motivations that drive us into service that may appear to be selfless and altruistic but upon deeper introspective may be self-serving. And it’s that self-serving aspect of activism that perpetuates exploitation of others." - Phileena Heuertz

    Listen to Part 1 with Kathy Khang. Kathy talks about Action and her new book Raise your Voice: Why we Stay Silent and How to Speak Up! 

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    • 47 min
    25 Kathy Khang: Raise Your Voice (Action & Contemplation Part 1)

    25 Kathy Khang: Raise Your Voice (Action & Contemplation Part 1)

    Action or contemplation–which is better?

    This pitting of one against the other has been a long standing debate throughout history. Theologians have often used allegorical depictions of biblical women to illustrate this divide.  Augustine famously used the two wives of Jacob to articulate his preference. He held up Leah as the model of the fruitful activist life. But Rachael was a model of the harder to attain contemplative life. Others set the Biblical sisters Mary against Martha: Mary, who sits as a disciple at the feet of Jesus, is identified with contemplation whilst her sister Martha, who is distracted by her many tasks, represents action.

    Philosopher Hannah Arendt believed that prior to the Modern Age, contemplation was preferred. But with the technological boom, the Protestant Reformation and the rise of Marxism, action become dominant. Yet, there have always been streams within the contemplative tradition that seek to unite the two for healthy Christian formation.

    “We need both action and contemplation to have a whole spiritual journey. It doesn’t matter which comes first; action may lead you to contemplation and contemplation may lead you to action.” Fr. Richard Rohr

    And so, in the next two episodes, I want to elevate two women (without pitting them against one another!) as they illustrate how action and contemplation work together for holistic Christian formation.

    In today’s episode, activist Kathy Khang talks about action and her latest book Raise your Voice: Why we Stay Silent and How to speak up! Kathy and I talk about why our voices matters, the costs of raising our voices, and the dangers of assimilation.

    Kathy Khang is a writer, speaker and yoga instructor who has worked in campus ministry for more than twenty years. She is a coauthor of More Than Serving Tea: Asian American Women on Expectations, Relationships, Leadership and Faith. and the author of a new book: Raise Your Voice, which we talk about in this episode.

    Stay tuned for Part 2 when we speak with Phileena Heuretz about contemplation and her new book: Mindful Silence: The heart of Christian Contemplation.

    Link:
    Visit Kathy's website and read her blog at kathykhang.com
    Follow her on Twitter: @mskathykhang
    Purchase Raise Your Voice: https://amzn.to/2Mg5u6R
    Watch the Shalom Chant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D8QjWqe2hU

    Thanks to Kai Engel for the use of his song Snowfall

    Special thanks to Julie Tai at Fuller Seminary for the use of the Shalom Chant. You can view the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D8QjWqe2hU

    • 45 min
    24 Michael Card on Hesed: How Kindness Heals the World

    24 Michael Card on Hesed: How Kindness Heals the World

    People often say, God is love. But when you think of God’s love, what does that mean to you?

    My guest is Michael Card, author of the new book Inexpressible: Hesed and the Mystery of God’s Lovingkindness. Card calls hesed the “greatest sacramental word in the Hebrew Bible.” It’s an untranslatable word that defines an inexpressible mystery.

    We have no English word to adequately describes hesed, yet it’s a word that God uses to describe himself. It’s an incredibly transformational word. Mike and I talk about how hesed changes us and how it heals our world.

    Michael Card is a well beloved author and songwriter. You may have heard his classic songs Immanuel or El Shaddai. You may even have some of his thirty-one albums! But did you know that he is also a prolific author and biblical scholar? He has written or contributed to more than twenty-four books.

    He is a graduate of Western Kentucky University with a bachelor's and master's degree in biblical studies. He also teaches the bible in a variety of settings and he serves as mentor to many younger artists and musicians. Michael Card lives in Franklin Tennessee with his wife and four children.

    Links: www.michaelcard.com
    Purchase Inexpressible: Hesed and the Mystery of God’s Lovingkindness at https://www.ivpress.com/inexpressible
    Listen to the companion album: To the Kindness of God at https://amzn.to/2VB28DS
    Listen to Michael Card's podcast In the Studio: https://www.michaelcard.com/inthestudio

    Register for the MissioAlliance Rountable Book Discussion on C Christopher Smith's Book: How the Body of Christ Talks (https://www.missioalliance.org/resource/roundtable-book-discussion-how-the-body-of-christ-talks)

    Special thanks to Michael Card for the generous use of his music that you heard in this episode:
    The Shelter of the Shadow
    I Will Be Kind
    Job Suite
    Prelude 128
    My Help (Psalm 121)
    That Kind of Love
    When Dinah Held My Hand
    Meditation 4 Selah
    Poem of Your Life

    • 55 min

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