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The Betwixt podcast is devoted to the space where faith and culture converge. Conversations with fascinating guests will coax us out of our ideological trenches with betwixing stories from the middle space.

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The Betwixt podcast is devoted to the space where faith and culture converge. Conversations with fascinating guests will coax us out of our ideological trenches with betwixing stories from the middle space.

    30 Middle Passage: Barbara Peacock on African American Soul Care

    30 Middle Passage: Barbara Peacock on African American Soul Care

    “I’m reading books by Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, Adele Calhoun, and I’m like, where is the information on African American spiritual direction? We need to have a voice in this community.”

    Dr. Barbara Peacock illustrates the liminal history of contemplative prayer, spiritual direction, and soul care within the African American tradition. Reflecting on significant men and women like Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, and Howard Thurman—Barbara celebrates the practices of soul care as we learn from these spiritual leaders.

    “Liminal history is the only history that we know. We are a people that are continuously going from one revelation of humanity and equality to another.”

    Dr. Barbara is a preacher, teacher and a prayer warrior. Spiritual direction and soul care were the emphasis of her doctoral work, which led to her book Soul Care in African American Practice.

    “I believe we are on the brink of a great awakening. I think we’ve had one; we just didn’t realize it. I know people don’t see eye to eye on the protests, but there is a piercing and a transformation of the heart that is taking place.”

    Thank you to Taelor Gray for the podcast benediction with his song Closer.


    Special Thanks to these musicians for permission to include these songs:
    Taelor Gray: Closer
    Kai Engle: Irens Tale, Salue, Machinery, Morning Placidity, Denouement
    Borrtex: Black Out
    Audiobinger: Winter is Coming, Past Regrets
    Lee Rosevere: Under Suspicion

    • 44 min
    29 Cure for Despondency (The Problem of Time & Eternity) with Nicole Roccas

    29 Cure for Despondency (The Problem of Time & Eternity) with Nicole Roccas

    Dr. Nicole Roccas joins me to talk about the problem of time and eternity. She suggests three ancient cures for despondency that still work today.

    Nicole is a historian and adjunct faculty member at the Orthodox School of Theology at Trinity College in Toronto. She is the author of the books Time and Despondency: Regaining the Present in Faith and Life, Under the Laurel Tree: Grieving Infertility with Saints Joachim and Anna, and A Journal of Thanksgiving: Record Three Years of Gratitude in a Sentence a Day.

    Nicole is the host of the Time Eternal podcast and co-hosts the Help My Unbelief Podcast. with her husband Basil.

    "In eternity, God reveals himself as being. In time, God reveals himself as action in a way that we can respond and encounter his love and the love of one another.

    The incarnation reveals that God is not antithetical to the world of physical matter and decay. It tells us that God is with us and the age to come has, in a sense, already come." -Nicole Roccas

    • 53 min
    28 Timothy Carson On Becoming What We Can’t Yet Imagine (An Hermeneutic of Liminality)

    28 Timothy Carson On Becoming What We Can’t Yet Imagine (An Hermeneutic of Liminality)

    My guest is Timothy Carson, curator of the Liminality Project. After retiring from full time pastoral ministry, Tim began to teach and write about liminality. He is the author of Liminal Reality and Transformational Power and editor of the anthology Neither Here nor There: The Many Voices of Liminality. And he’s working on a new collaborative book on practical theology and the development of a Biblical Hermeneutic of Liminality.

    Tim also ministers as a field guide, helping others transition through life's passages. As an Emotional Freedom Techniques Practitioner, he works with individuals who have experienced past trauma.

    In this episode, Tim casts a vision toward a Biblical hermeneutic of liminality and what insight it might provide for us as we walk through this time of social liminality.

    Quotes from this episode:
    "If anything, socially isolating in our homes should drive us to a new sense of what it means to stand in a solitary way before God. "

    “It’s a colossal mistake in this social liminality of this pandemic to say things like, “When we get back to the way it was before.” We don’t want to go back. We want to pass through the wilderness and go to a promised land. We want to move toward a new reality and take the insights and ways we’ve been reshaped into building a new reality, a new world, a new heaven and a new earth.

    "Every time we attach to a false object and raise it to the level of the Ultimate, which is a form of idolatry, there’s a kind of tear in the soul because we’re attaching to something that can’t sustain us. It’s something false, something unreal, and yet we’re putting all our hope in it. And there’s a kind of death that takes place when we do that."

    "Part of the danger of wilderness in liminal space is what happens to our attachments. If we’ve lost anchors and structure, there’s the possibility that in liminal space, we attach incorrectly to the many false gods that we will worship. We will attach to the many illusions that will fall away."

    What is the gift of what we may become because of the liminal space? We look for the ways we might be transformed because of it.

    It would be a grand thing if people of faith would stop asking “When we can get back to church?” Which to me sounds like wanting to clamor back to Egypt. Wanting to clamor back to structure? What if God doesn’t want us to go back to structure? What if God doesn’t want us to go back to the way we were before? What might we become of us because of this?

    • 50 min
    Easter Homily of St. John Chrystostom

    Easter Homily of St. John Chrystostom

    Pascal Homily of St. John Chrystostom:

    If anyone is devout and a lover of God, let them enjoy this beautiful and radiant festival.
    If anyone is a grateful servant, let them, rejoicing, enter into the joy of his Lord.
    If anyone has wearied themselves in fasting, let them now receive recompense.
    If anyone has labored from the first hour, let them today receive the just reward.
    If anyone has come at the third hour, with thanksgiving let them feast.
    If anyone has arrived at the sixth hour, let them have no misgivings; for they shall suffer no loss.
    If anyone has delayed until the ninth hour, let them draw near without hesitation.
    If anyone has arrived even at the eleventh hour, let them not fear on account of tardiness.
    For the Master is gracious and receives the last even as the first; He gives rest to him that comes at the eleventh hour, just as to him who has labored from the first.
    He has mercy upon the last and cares for the first; to the one He gives, and to the other He is gracious.
    He both honors the work and praises the intention.
    Enter all of you, therefore, into the joy of our Lord, and, whether first or last, receive your reward.
    O rich and poor, one with another, dance for joy!
    O you ascetics and you negligent, celebrate the day!
    You that have fasted and you that have disregarded the fast, rejoice today!
    The table is rich-laden: feast royally, all of you!
    The calf is fatted: let no one go forth hungry!
    Let all partake of the feast of faith. Let all receive the riches of goodness.
    Let no one lament their poverty, for the universal kingdom has been revealed.
    Let no one mourn their transgressions, for pardon has dawned from the grave.
    Let no one fear death, for the Saviour's death has set us free.
    He that was taken by death has annihilated it!
    He descended into Hades and took Hades captive!
    He embittered it when it tasted His flesh! And anticipating this, Isaiah exclaimed: "Hades was embittered when it encountered Thee in the lower regions".
    It was embittered, for it was abolished!
    It was embittered, for it was mocked!
    It was embittered, for it was purged!
    It was embittered, for it was despoiled!
    It was embittered, for it was bound in chains!
    It took a body and came upon God!
    It took earth and encountered Ηeaven!
    It took what it saw, but crumbled before what it had not seen!
    O death, where is thy sting?
    O Hades, where is thy victory?
    Christ is risen, and you are overthrown!
    Christ is risen, and the demons are fallen!
    Christ is risen, and the angels rejoice!
    Christ is risen, and life reigns!
    Christ is risen, and not one dead remains in a tomb!
    For Christ, being raised from the dead, has become the First-fruits of them that have slept.
    To Him be glory and might unto the ages of ages.
    *Music Lee Rosevere: Under Suspicion; Kai Engel: Ode to the World

    • 6 min
    Station 14: Tomb

    Station 14: Tomb

    Meditation for Station 14: Tomb. Jesus is buried in the tomb.

    The women who had followed Jesus throughout his ministry also followed him to his death and beyond. They served as midwives of Jesus' death before they followed his body to the tomb, where they will serve as the midwives of his resurrection.

    Jesus had ministered to them and they had ministered to him. They received and responded. The way they followed Jesus was marked by a reciprocity of love. What does following Jesus look like for you?

    *Music: Vivaldi's Credo Crucifixius performed by Advent Chamber Orchestra; Denouement by Kai Engel.

    • 10 min
    Station 13: Death

    Station 13: Death

    Meditation for Station 13: Death. Jesus dies and the veil of the Temple is torn.

    As Jesus crossed the boundary between life and death, the curtain of the temple was torn from top to bottom. He became the door – the threshold – the place of transformation: heaven brought to earth, unclean made clean, profane made sacred, curse restored to blessing, death resurrected to life.

    *Music: Agnus Dei performed Tudor Consort; Curtains are Always Drawn by Kai Engel.

    • 10 min

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Insightful and Informative

In an increasingly polarized and disoriented nation and church, this podcast has felt like a warm hug. Deb is a gracious, thoughtful host who asks great questions and brings in guests to help speak to the nuance we must hold as Christians in today's world. This podcast has helped me realize how my faith, critical thinking, and imagination, and action can be combined in effective ways. Highly recommend!

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Navigate the tension

Betwixt is thoughtful and reverent in its exploration of current tensions revealed as we work to live a viable faith in our culture.

danishgary ,

Very challenging, especially for an old white guy!

Just finished the interview with Larycia Hawkins, which was a joy to hear even as I am reminded afresh of the gap between my own "good Christian living" and Jesus' call on me as one who takes his name.

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