Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD

Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford
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Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD

The Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD podcast, hosted by Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford, is for Human Resources and Organizational Development change-makers committed to bold work in an era that calls for the skills, values and partnership of these two disciplines. Bob and Joyce are former HR and OD C-suite executives who share their successes, failures, and hacks. They believe that it's an exciting time for this work and give specifics around acquisitions, policy nightmares, and grand moments. This podcast is to support your work and to take a moment to step away from the daily chaos. Come on in, grab a snack, and welcome!

  1. Michelle Griffin Ph.D.: Building a Business and a Life That Works

    6D AGO

    Michelle Griffin Ph.D.: Building a Business and a Life That Works

    In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Michelle Griffin, CEO and founder of Griffin Resources—an entrepreneur who truly has the "right stuff." Whether you're a seasoned business owner or just starting out, Michelle’s story is a masterclass in growing a thriving business without sacrificing your life. Michelle brings a rare blend of strategic insight and human-centered leadership. She sees the big picture, acts with precision, and knows how to create results—without burning out. Here’s what you’ll hear in this episode: • How adaptability—and knowing when to pivot—fuels long-term success • Why passion and vision are the heartbeat of every great business • Strategy is key, but hiring the right team is what makes it real • How being introverted can be a superpower in leadership and connecting • Michelle’s gift for turning bold ideas into sustainable business models • Working full throttle and making room for balance, joy, and play It’s a conversation full of insight, energy, and the kind of honesty that makes you reflect. Get ready to be inspired by Michelle’s journey. About Michelle Griffin Ph.D. Michelle is the CEO and founder of Griffin Resources, a firm providing fractional HR support to small and mid-sized companies—both domestic and multinational. She’s PHR and SHRM-CP certified, an industrial-organizational psychologist, and a sought-after speaker. Her expertise spans the full spectrum of HR, from compliance and payroll to M&A, entity creation, and talent strategy.

    48 min
  2. 🎙 Resiliency Face-Off, Part 2: Spoiler—Ours Wins

    JUN 24

    🎙 Resiliency Face-Off, Part 2: Spoiler—Ours Wins

    In this second part of our resiliency deep dive, Bob ‘n Joyce take a close look at MIT Sloan’s latest take on what makes a culture truly resilient. Do we agree with their insights? Mostly. But spoiler alert: we still like our list better. We break down the key conditions MIT Sloan says drive resiliency and stack them up against our lived experience in the trenches of culture work. The result? A thoughtful, and at times feisty, side-by-side review. Here’s a taste of what they recommend: • Flexible work schedules that actually work • Skill-based approaches to culture change (not more slogans) • Turning skeptics into champions • Learning from mistakes—really • Letting employees shape their own roles • Prioritizing honesty and psychological safety We wrap with a call to action: What’s your resiliency playbook? Come on in, grab a snack, and let’s keep it real.

    33 min
  3. The Resilience Face-Off: Street Smarts Meets Sloan MIT Smarts

    JUN 9

    The Resilience Face-Off: Street Smarts Meets Sloan MIT Smarts

    In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce dive into how to create and sustain organizational resiliency—a must-have competency in today’s fast-changing business world. We kick things off with a little game we call “learning.” First, we share our personal and professional takes on what makes a workplace truly resilient. Then, in the next episode, we’ll check in with the experts at MIT Sloan Management Review to see how our perspectives stack up. Some of the ideas we unpack today: • Getting real about the challenge • Community – We are ‘in this’ together • Focusing on excellence and winning • Embracing risk—and yes, learning from failure So grab a snack, pull up a chair, and join the conversation. And hey, we’d love to hear your take on resiliency too.

    20 min
  4. Flugidity Revisited: Why We’re Still Talking About Structure vs. Flexibility Back by popular demand… or maybe just our own curiosity.

    JUN 3

    Flugidity Revisited: Why We’re Still Talking About Structure vs. Flexibility Back by popular demand… or maybe just our own curiosity.

    After we hit “stop” on our last episode, Tight Ship or Jazz Band?, we realized the conversation wasn’t over. The tension between discipline and flexibility kept tugging at us — and stirred up a few stories (and laughs) we hadn’t yet shared. So we’re back, diving deeper into the power and pitfalls of routine, the magic of improvisation, and why finding that balance matters more than ever in today’s workplace. In this follow-up episode, Bob ‘n Joyce: • Unpack why some habits feel safe but may be limiting innovation • Talk about real-life moments when “flugidity” made all the difference • Explore how leaders can create cultures that flex without falling apart • Challenge listeners to reexamine what structure they’re clinging to — and why Whether you’re running a tight ship or playing in a jazz band, this encore conversation is for anyone trying to lead with more ease, creativity, and courage.

    12 min
  5. Tight Ship or Jazz Band? Finding Balance in Today’s Workplace

    MAY 22

    Tight Ship or Jazz Band? Finding Balance in Today’s Workplace

    Bob ‘n Joyce riff on how much structure is too much — and when it’s time to improvise. In this episode, they dive into the ongoing tug-of-war between discipline and flexibility — habits that create stability vs. the adaptability that sparks innovation. Once upon a time, businesses prized routine, rituals, and predictability. But in today’s fast-moving world, research suggests agility and openness may be even more crucial. So, which is it? The truth may lie somewhere in the messy, magical middle. In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce: • Coin a new word: flugidity – the courage to challenge routines that no longer serve the business • Reveal how rigid habits and SOPs can create dangerous blind spots • Explore what’s changed in the workplace to shift the balance toward flexibility • Talk about the magic of mastering your craft and dancing in the moment If your weekly ritual includes tuning in to us — well, that’s one habit we fully support. So grab a snack, get comfy, and let’s jump in.

    25 min
  6. Beyond Ping Pong Tables: How to Build a Culture of Care

    MAY 9

    Beyond Ping Pong Tables: How to Build a Culture of Care

    In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore what it really takes to create a workplace where people thrive — and it’s a lot more than free snacks and ping pong tables. They dive into the idea of on-site wellness centers, where employees can unplug, recharge, and access real support. Imagine a workplace that offers: ✅ Manicures and massage therapy ✅ On-site counseling for burnout or stress ✅ Flu and COVID shots without leaving the office ✅ Yoga, dance, and meditation sessions Bob ‘n Joyce make the case that this isn’t a far-out fantasy. Companies like SAS Institute in Cary, NC, have been doing it for over 40 years — and it’s a big reason they consistently rank among the best places to work in America. Tune in for fresh ideas on how your company can move beyond surface perks and start building a true culture of care. Come on in, grab a snack, and welcome!

    18 min
  7. The Chosen Few: A Talent Strategy That’s Holding You Back

    MAY 2

    The Chosen Few: A Talent Strategy That’s Holding You Back

    In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore the common practice of relying on the same group of people—time and again—to get important work done. Joyce calls them the “spoiled brats,” while Bob refers to them as the “usual suspects” or “chosen ones.” The problem? This habit unintentionally sidelines the talent in waiting—the wild cards and up-and-comers—who miss out on critical development opportunities. We dive into practical ways to tap the full potential of your organization by broadening access to special projects and growth experiences beyond the usual favorites. In this episode: • Eye-opening stories about the surprising success of newbies and wild cards • A breakdown of a common flaw in talent planning that keeps this pattern alive • Why hands-on project work often beats traditional training for impact If your company is stuck picking from the same short list—and it's holding you back—this episode is your wake-up call. So pull up a chair, grab your favorite snack, and let’s shake things up together.

    22 min
  8. Creating Islands of Sanity in the Chaos – Part 2

    APR 24

    Creating Islands of Sanity in the Chaos – Part 2

    In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce pick up where they left off in episode 185, diving deeper into how leaders can navigate turbulent and unsettling times with intention and heart. The key? Leaders must first ground themselves before engaging in conversations about what the business needs to move forward. But how do you get grounded? Where do you start, and with whom? And how can leaders truly support their teams—not just to survive, but to thrive? Here are a few hints to guide the discussion: • Start by scanning the environment before jumping into action. • Never underestimate the power of a meaningful conversation. • Speak the truth—sugarcoating doesn’t soothe, truth does. • Counter exhaustion by encouraging play and nurturing the system. Like episode 185, there are no neat bows here—just real, practical ideas to chew on. So come on in. Grab a soothing snack or beverage. Welcome!

    30 min
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The Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD podcast, hosted by Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford, is for Human Resources and Organizational Development change-makers committed to bold work in an era that calls for the skills, values and partnership of these two disciplines. Bob and Joyce are former HR and OD C-suite executives who share their successes, failures, and hacks. They believe that it's an exciting time for this work and give specifics around acquisitions, policy nightmares, and grand moments. This podcast is to support your work and to take a moment to step away from the daily chaos. Come on in, grab a snack, and welcome!

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  • Creator
    Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford
  • Years Active
    2020 - 2025
  • Episodes
    200
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2025 Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford
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