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Dr. Christopher Osborn is found and pronounced dead in his home in Dublin, Ohio on July 18th, 2018, just after 7:30 a.m.  He had been shot in the head three times in his sleep. His wife, Holli Osborn, drunkenly calls her father to tell him that her husband is dead. Her father calls the police and shortly thereafter they arrive at the house. After finding two guns next to the bed and seeing the state of Ms. Osborn, they take her into custody and eventually charge her with the murder of her husband. 

In this episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and Jackie Howard discuss the state Dr. Osborn was murdered in, gunshot residue, how to assess a crime scene after its been altered, how the location of where Holli’s DNA was found eventually proved she was the perpetrator, and more.

 

Show Notes:

0:00 - Intro

1:25 - Background and overview of the case

2:43 - Evidence from the bed

6:23 - In a case like this, what evidence do you start with first?

9:28 - Who arrived at the scene first?

12:20 - Assessing the crime scene after it's been damaged

15:40 - How to tell the difference between something that was part of the crime vs. caused by first responders when they arrived at the scene

19:40 - Does the amount of blood depend on how many times you were shot or where you were shot?

29:20 - Does Dr. Osborn’s physical state (sleeping) factor into his body’s reaction when he was shot?

34:40 - Gunshot residue

40:43 - Are all gun powders the same?

42:30 - Distribution of gunpowder

47:00 - “10 particles”

49:35 - Holli’s DNA being found on the gun and how it was proven that she was the perpetrator

50:50 - Outro
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Katie Baunach is last seen alive on September 29th, 2022, when she tells a friend she is going to her ex-husband's home to pick up some of her belongings. She obtained a restraining order from him the previous month after allegations he had abused one of their children. When police went to investigate the house they detected “signs of a physical struggle” and upon looking further found something much more sinister.

In this episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and Jackie Howard discuss how luminol is used to detect blood, the difficulties of burning a body, non-specific homicidal trauma, “roid rage”, and more.  

 

Show Notes:

0:00 - Intro

1:25 - Background and overview of the case

2:58 - Moving of the car

5:40 - Using luminol to detect blood 

12:13 - Who invented spraying blood with luminol to see it under a black light?

14:30 - The difficulties of burning a body

20:34 - Why did the barrel smell of decay? (check)

22:18 - Moving the body

24:10 - How do you determine the cause of death for a body that had been moved multiple times?

26:50 - Non-specific homicidal trauma

30:02 - Dealing with stress

30:33 - Police find suspicious substances

34:03 - What is “roid rage” and what causes it?

40:45 - Wrap up
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Four University of Idaho students are brutally murdered in their home in Moscow, Idaho on November 13th, 2022. Police suspect that the murder took place between 3am-4 and their bodies are discovered by a friend that same morning around noon. Investigators believe that the murder weapon was a knife of some sort. This case is still unfolding. 

In this episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and Jackie Howard discuss the gruesome nature of this case, the murder weapon, making sense of the chaos of the crime scene, what police are looking for in the surveillance footage, and more.

 

Show Notes:

0:00 - Intro

1:25 - Background and overview of case

2:26 - The police not knowing what they were walking into

6:20 - Side door being the point of entry

8:30 - Signs of forced entry, the window, and how it could have been pried open

10:07 - Light sources

12:30 - Two roommates who survived, who was stabbed first, the murder weapon

18:26 - The style of weapon suggests that this was a targeted attack

21:34 - How do we tell who was stabbed first and what are we going to find on the other victims?

26:38 - Making sense of the chaos

28:05 - Co-mingling of blood, actions of the perpetrator, finding the knife

31:54 - Other injuries to expect in this case

35:38 - What exactly are the police looking for in the video surveillance footage?

40:38 - Outro
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Reagan Simmons Hancock, 21, is found dead in her New Boston home by her mother on the morning of October 9th, 2020. She was seven and a half months pregnant, had been stabbed over 100 times, strangled, and had her unborn child removed from her womb. The perpetrator is Taylor Parker, a friend of Hancock’s, who had been faking a pregnancy for over 10 months.

In this episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and Jackie Howard discuss the blood patterns at the crime scene, the injuries sustained by Hancock, the logistics of performing an at-home C-section, and how Parker may have gone about planning the attack. 

 

Show Notes:

0:00 - Intro

1:18 - Background and overview of case

3:14 - Blood patterns

4:42 - Two questions: 1. How much blood is in the human body? 2. With blood everywhere, how do you figure out where the murder actually occurred?

7:50 - Stab wounds/strangulation 

10:40 - How Reagan’s pregnancy factored into her murder/death

13:32 - Scalpels, surgical tools, C-sections

17:25 - Langer lines

19:50 - How did the assailant perform the C-section without harming the baby?

23:11 - Finding the perpetrator: Taylor Parker

24:10 - The placenta and Parker faking the baby’s birth

27:35 - Major indicators that a woman has given birth 

30:28 - What ultimately led to the death of the child?

32:30 - Wrap up and final thoughts
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On April 16th, 2022 a mushroom hunter calls 911 to tell them he’s found an abandoned suitcase in the middle of the woods. Inside the suitcase is the body of a young boy. The boy is later identified as 5-year-old Cairo Ammar Jordan from Atlanta, Georgia. He was never reported missing. 

In this episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and Jackie Howard discuss the state of Cairo’s body when it was found, his cause of death, how police process a crime scene like this, what it’s like to discover a body, and much more.

 

Show Notes:

0:00 - Intro

1:57 - Background and overview of the case

3:10 - How did they get Cairo into the suitcase?

7:25 - The state of Cairo’s body when found

10:45 - Discovering bodies

14:55 - How do police begin processing a scene like this? 

18:15 - Joe describes the tests done on evidence found

21:30 - The inside of the suitcase

27:30 - Pulling fingerprints and finding the crime scene as the perpetrator left it

31:35 - Cairo’s cause of death 

35:45 - How does an electrolyte imbalance kill you?

38:10 - Viral gastroenteritis 

43:10 - Wrap up  
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Four men in Okmulgee, Oklahoma leave a friend's house on bikes on the evening of October 9th, 2022. Investigators believe that these men intended to commit a crime, or series of crimes. They are soon reported missing. On October 14th, their bodies are found in Deep For River having been shot and dismembered. After looking into the case officials believe that this act was premeditated. 

In this episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and Jackie Howard discuss the overt violence of the murder, how to track a bicycle, how you distinguish between blood types, how investigators retrieve body parts, and much more.

 

Show Notes:

0:00 - Intro

1:12 - Background and overview of the case

3:20 - How do you track a bicycle?

9:45 - How do you calculate how far to extend your search?

12:10 - Police using tracking information to find the victims

15:30 - Bodies dumped in the river

16:15 - How is it physically possible to kill four men in a short period of time?

20:35 - What exactly is “a violent act”?

24:15 -  The steps taken in an autopsy to distinguish between blood types

29:00 - What do two different blood types look like on a slide?

30:58 - Visual deception

32:10 - Would the victim's skeleton be visible by this point?

36:10 - How does the gruesome state of the victim’s bodies interfere with being able to figure out what happened to them?

39:40 - How do you retrieve body parts and keep them in the state they’re found?

46:05 - Wrap up
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