109 episodes

'To Hell and Back' shines light on our darkest, most painful, and most overwhelming human experiences.

With unfiltered conversations, vivid role plays, focused teaching, and spacious curiosity, Charlie and Nicole use the framework of DBT (Dialectical Behavior Therapy) to help those of us who live in hell learn the skills we need to get ourselves the hell out.

Every week is a fresh invitation to meet our minds, our pain, and all that makes this life worth living with greater understanding and compassion. Every episode, we're reminded that, no matter how bad things get, there are no dead ends in life; however lonely and desperate we may feel, we are not, ever, alone.

Charlie Swenson, MD and Nicole Helén - To Hell and Back: Life Survival Skills Charlie Swenson, MD & Nicole Helén

    • Health & Fitness
    • 4.7 • 123 Ratings

'To Hell and Back' shines light on our darkest, most painful, and most overwhelming human experiences.

With unfiltered conversations, vivid role plays, focused teaching, and spacious curiosity, Charlie and Nicole use the framework of DBT (Dialectical Behavior Therapy) to help those of us who live in hell learn the skills we need to get ourselves the hell out.

Every week is a fresh invitation to meet our minds, our pain, and all that makes this life worth living with greater understanding and compassion. Every episode, we're reminded that, no matter how bad things get, there are no dead ends in life; however lonely and desperate we may feel, we are not, ever, alone.

    Guaranteed Success, By Design - Episode 108

    Guaranteed Success, By Design - Episode 108

    In part 2 of the conversation with world class trainer Cem Eren, join Charlie and Nicole and enter the Lion's Den, a practice environment thoughtfully constructed to support our training journey from the moment we step through the door until the moment we step out of it. As we tour the space, we hear how unconditional acceptance underlies Cem's strategy for facilitating positive change, and how his intuitive application of dialectics translates to clients consistently hitting huge goals and making extraordinary transformations.

    • 46 min
    Skillful Mind Training, Embodied - Episode 107

    Skillful Mind Training, Embodied - Episode 107

    In part one of a two-part conversation, Charlie and Nicole seek to discover the secret to world class trainer, Cem Eren's two decade career where he inspires greatness in everyone from first time gym goers, to elite NBA athletes, with tireless consistency and contagious joy. Sharing anecdotes about work with his clients, Cem gives insight into his own embodied mindset, providing a template for accessible and generous excellence that extends far beyond the weight rack and boxing ring.

    • 47 min
    Identity Grammar - Episode 106

    Identity Grammar - Episode 106

    What shapes the syntax of Self? How does context inform our inner lexicons? Are we more than the sum of all our actions?

    • 1 hr 8 min
    Skillful Grieving, Making Meaning from Suffering, and a Dinosaur – Episode 105

    Skillful Grieving, Making Meaning from Suffering, and a Dinosaur – Episode 105

    In this second of our two-episode conversation with Natalia Garcia about her grieving process over the years since the death of her two-year-old son

    • 1 hr 7 min
    Who IS that Woman?! – Episode 104

    Who IS that Woman?! – Episode 104

    Since Nicole joined Charlie as co-host, several long-time listeners have asked Charlie, Who IS that woman?!

    • 1 hr 1 min
    In Her Own Words – Natalia Garcia on Coping with Loss and Trauma with Opposite Action and an Approach Lifestyle – Episode 103

    In Her Own Words – Natalia Garcia on Coping with Loss and Trauma with Opposite Action and an Approach Lifestyle – Episode 103

    In this week’s podcast, we reprise selected excerpts from those podcasts, capturing her words and her wisdom that grew out of this terrible loss. She inspires.

    • 1 hr 26 min

Customer Reviews

4.7 out of 5
123 Ratings

123 Ratings

Shilih654 ,

Words of Wisdom

I’m so grateful I found this podcast with Charlie and Nicole. I’m working my way through all of them. Whether you know a lot about DBT or are new to the topic, this podcast is a gift. You can learn about DBT from Dr. Charlie Swenson, a master therapist. His conversations and role plays with Nicole enrich the learning. I especially loved the role the “session” when Nicole played a patient struggling with narcissism. Thank you for this amazing opportunity to learn and grow.

rosario Betran ,

Great podcast!

I really love Nicole’s voice and perspective on the show, my favorite episode by far is Identity Grammar. Listening made me feel seen and understood in a ways nothing else ever has.

MPR397 ,

A Wonderful Exploration of Human Experience

Stimulating & Fascinating! Charlie & Nicole explore topics that we consciously or subconsciously struggle with every day- helping to define and refine these thoughts. I come away from the episodes with a greater understanding of self and a greater understanding of those around me.

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