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Episode 4

Daniela Papi-Thornton speaks with Steph Cutler about the need to reframe social entrepreneurship. In this episode she calls for replacing the ‘heropreneur’ model with systems-led leadership. She suggests social entrepreneurs would create more meaningful social impact if they ask, ‘How can I contribute? Rather than ‘how can I compete?’. Our guest poet Chris Redmond takes the idea of collective impact to the skies with his beautiful creative response.

Podcast Transcription

3:32 Too often we think of a social entrepreneur as a hero

6:20 We need to teach people a different mental model. Instead of, ‘how am I going to compete?’ It’s ‘how am I going to contribute?’

11:18 We are telling young people that they have all the tools to go change someone else’s life

14:57 What’s holding this in place? Who benefits from this problem remaining a problem?

19:40 It doesn’t mean you don’t start a social enterprise. It means you are going to start it with an intention to change the system, rather than to win.

29:20 If you just care about being a founder then you’re starting in the wrong place

30:17 Chris’s poem

Resources

The Value of Lived Experience in Social Change: The Need for Leadership and Organisational Development in the Social Sector By Baljeet Sadhu. thelivedexperience.org/report/

Daniela is an impact consultant, educator, and author whose work focuses on social entrepreneurship and systems-led leadership. Daniela has served as a Lecturer at Yale School of Management, Watson Institute, and Oxford’s Saïd Business School where she was also the Deputy Director of the Skoll Centre for Social Entrepreneurship. Daniela has served as a consultant, advisor, and trainer at a range of enterprises, from public companies to private foundations. Daniela’s work builds upon six years of emerging market entrepreneurial experience in Cambodia, running a hybrid social enterprise. 

Website: systems-ledleadership.com/ Twitter: @daniela papi Learning Service The Essential Guide to Volunteering Abroad: learningservice.info/Reclaiming Social Entrepreneurship: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdrfMqBRfEQ

Chris is a poet, musician, performer and producer. He has been featured on BBC Radio 1, 2 and 4, XFM, CBBC and Sky Arts. He is artistic director of Tongue Fu, one of the UK’s leading spoken word shows, where poets, comedians, storytellers and rappers perform with improvised music and films. As an educator, Chris leads workshops in writing, performing and musicianship for organisations such as the British Council, BBC, National Theatre, the Roundhouse and St Mary’s University, London. His debut collection Let The Pig Out is published by Burning Eye.

 Website:www.tonguefu.co.uk, Facebook: www.facebook.com/tonguefupage, Twitter:www.twitter.com/tonguefushow, Instagram:www.instagram.com/tonguefushow

Steph Cutler is a speaker, trainer and coach. Her inclusion consultancy, Making Lemonade specialises in disability equality and she is a Clore Social Leadership fellow. She was recognised as one of the 100 most influential disabled people in the UK in 2018 on the Disability Power100 list and has been a judge since.

Huge thanks to VIPodcasting for their support and skills in producing this podcast. 

If you enjoyed this episode, please consider subscribing on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube or wherever you access your podcasts from.

Episode 4

Daniela Papi-Thornton speaks with Steph Cutler about the need to reframe social entrepreneurship. In this episode she calls for replacing the ‘heropreneur’ model with systems-led leadership. She suggests social entrepreneurs would create more meaningful social impact if they ask, ‘How can I contribute? Rather than ‘how can I compete?’. Our guest poet Chris Redmond takes the idea of collective impact to the skies with his beautiful creative response.

Podcast Transcription

3:32 Too often we think of a social entrepreneur as a hero

6:20 We need to teach people a different mental model. Instead of, ‘how am I going to compete?’ It’s ‘how am I going to contribute?’

11:18 We are telling young people that they have all the tools to go change someone else’s life

14:57 What’s holding this in place? Who benefits from this problem remaining a problem?

19:40 It doesn’t mean you don’t start a social enterprise. It means you are going to start it with an intention to change the system, rather than to win.

29:20 If you just care about being a founder then you’re starting in the wrong place

30:17 Chris’s poem

Resources

The Value of Lived Experience in Social Change: The Need for Leadership and Organisational Development in the Social Sector By Baljeet Sadhu. thelivedexperience.org/report/

Daniela is an impact consultant, educator, and author whose work focuses on social entrepreneurship and systems-led leadership. Daniela has served as a Lecturer at Yale School of Management, Watson Institute, and Oxford’s Saïd Business School where she was also the Deputy Director of the Skoll Centre for Social Entrepreneurship. Daniela has served as a consultant, advisor, and trainer at a range of enterprises, from public companies to private foundations. Daniela’s work builds upon six years of emerging market entrepreneurial experience in Cambodia, running a hybrid social enterprise. 

Website: systems-ledleadership.com/ Twitter: @daniela papi Learning Service The Essential Guide to Volunteering Abroad: learningservice.info/Reclaiming Social Entrepreneurship: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdrfMqBRfEQ

Chris is a poet, musician, performer and producer. He has been featured on BBC Radio 1, 2 and 4, XFM, CBBC and Sky Arts. He is artistic director of Tongue Fu, one of the UK’s leading spoken word shows, where poets, comedians, storytellers and rappers perform with improvised music and films. As an educator, Chris leads workshops in writing, performing and musicianship for organisations such as the British Council, BBC, National Theatre, the Roundhouse and St Mary’s University, London. His debut collection Let The Pig Out is published by Burning Eye.

 Website:www.tonguefu.co.uk, Facebook: www.facebook.com/tonguefupage, Twitter:www.twitter.com/tonguefushow, Instagram:www.instagram.com/tonguefushow

Steph Cutler is a speaker, trainer and coach. Her inclusion consultancy, Making Lemonade specialises in disability equality and she is a Clore Social Leadership fellow. She was recognised as one of the 100 most influential disabled people in the UK in 2018 on the Disability Power100 list and has been a judge since.

Huge thanks to VIPodcasting for their support and skills in producing this podcast. 

If you enjoyed this episode, please consider subscribing on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube or wherever you access your podcasts from.

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