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Conversations with Ministry Leaders

Conversations with Ministry Leaders is a limited series podcast where Carl Barnhill casually sits down with pastors and industry leaders to discuss how visuals are being used in churches and organizations around the world.

  1. Using AI for Church Visuals and Content with Raz Bradley | S3 E5

    4D AGO

    Using AI for Church Visuals and Content with Raz Bradley | S3 E5

    Episode 5 Church elder and financial planner Raz Bradley joins us in this episode of Conversation with Ministry Leaders. He shares his journey into AI tools for churches and ministry. He's currently subscribed to four AI platforms after testing six or seven options. His favorites include Suno AI for music generation, ChatGPT for creative work, and Midjourney for image creation. Bradley discusses the evolution of AI technology. Initially, generated images had distorted features like seven fingers. However, these tools have rapidly improved over the past year. Now they offer practical applications for church ministry. The conversation explores ethical considerations around AI in church settings. Bradley believes AI shouldn't write sermons since authentic content matters for worship. Instead, he suggests using AI as a research tool. Churches can upload public domain works like Calvin's Institutes and query them directly. For visual content, Bradley explains different AI strengths. Midjourney excels at photorealistic images like beautiful Christmas trees. Meanwhile, Dall-E handles text-based graphics better. He often combines these tools with Photoshop or Canva for final touches. Bradley has created custom AI tools for his kids' ministry. These generate craft ideas and coloring pages based on Bible verses. This saves significant time for ministry leaders. Video generation remains challenging. Current tools can create simple B-roll footage but struggle with recognizable locations or detailed scenes. They work best for generic content like birds flying. Throughout the discussion, Bradley emphasizes the importance of discernment. Ministry leaders need expert guidance to craft effective AI prompts. The technology changes rapidly, requiring continuous learning and adaptation. CONNECT WITH CHURCH VISUALS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠instagram.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/groups/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠twitter.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ conversations@churchvisuals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SHOW NOTES⁠⁠⁠⁠

    12 min
  2. Pulpit AI and the Future of Visuals in Church with Michael Whittle | S3 E4

    JUL 4

    Pulpit AI and the Future of Visuals in Church with Michael Whittle | S3 E4

    Episode 4 Michael Whittle joins Conversation with Ministry Leaders to discuss his journey with Pulpit AI. He worked in startups for 15 years in advertising and ad tech. However, his passion for ministry never faded. After planting a church in Los Angeles in 2015, he accidentally discovered the intersection of AI and church technology. Pulpit AI exists to amplify local church pastors' voices. The platform takes sermon content and transforms it into discipleship materials. These include devotionals, small group guides, and discussion questions. Moreover, the AI stays trained specifically on pastor sermons rather than external datasets. This approach ensures theological accuracy and maintains the pastor's authentic voice. The company began when Michael uploaded a podcast episode to an AI tool. He was amazed by the results. Next, he tested it with his pastor friend's sermon. The outcome was so impressive that he immediately bought the domain and built a simple web app. When he tweeted about it in summer 2023, the post went viral overnight. Today, users can upload various file formats including MP3s, videos, and PDFs. The platform automatically generates content and includes a chat feature for sermon coaching. Additionally, Whittle believes AI will revolutionize how pastors learn from their entire sermon libraries. However, AI also presents new challenges for believers. Some of these require pastors to navigate complex theological and emotional territories that didn't exist before. CONNECT WITH CHURCH VISUALS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠instagram.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/groups/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠twitter.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ conversations@churchvisuals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SHOW NOTES⁠⁠⁠⁠

    15 min
  3. Creating Compelling Church Content with Owen Video | S3 E3

    JUN 27

    Creating Compelling Church Content with Owen Video | S3 E3

    Episode 3 Join us for an engaging  Conversation with Ministry Leaders. In this episode we chat with Owen Video, a YouTube coach specializing in church and ministry content. Owen shares his unique journey to faith through apologetics and biblical archaeology. He helps unpack how we can use visuals that convert viewers. Throughout the episode, Owen reveals proven strategies for churches looking to expand their digital reach. He emphasizes the importance of compelling video titles that draw viewers in. Instead of generic sermon titles, churches should create "juicy bait" that captures attention immediately. Owen discusses the balance between long-form and short-form content. He recommends focusing on quality long-form videos first. Then, thoughtfully repurpose them into standalone short-form pieces. YouTube's recent expansion to three-minute shorts changes the game entirely. Content strategy becomes crucial for church success online. Owen advocates for treating YouTube like Netflix rather than social media. Churches should develop content pillars addressing specific community problems. Creating series-based content encourages binge-watching behavior. The conversation explores production quality versus authenticity. Owen suggests finding the sweet spot between unwatchable amateur footage and overly polished content. Sometimes filming portions on mobile phones actually increases viewer trust and engagement. Owen challenges churches to pursue excellence in their digital ministry. He believes God opens doors through viral content that shouldn't be ignored. When guest speakers visit, churches should maximize those opportunities with strategic video content. The episode concludes with practical advice for pastors and ministry leaders. Owen emphasizes that YouTube audiences aren't captive like Sunday congregations. Content must compete for attention in an increasingly noisy digital landscape. CONNECT WITH CHURCH VISUALS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠instagram.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/groups/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠twitter.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ conversations@churchvisuals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SHOW NOTES⁠⁠⁠⁠

    15 min
  4. The Art of Church Visuals in Multi-Site Ministry with Samuel Dueth | S3 E2

    JUN 20

    The Art of Church Visuals in Multi-Site Ministry with Samuel Dueth | S3 E2

    Episode 2 In this latest episode of Conversation with Ministry Leaders, Samuel Dueth from Awaken Church in San Diego joins the show to discuss multi-campus ministry and discipleship resources. Awaken Church operates 11 campuses across multiple states. Each campus has live preaching pastors rather than simulcast services. He talks to us about visuals in multi-site ministry. Samuel authored "Following Jesus," a discipleship book designed as next steps for new believers. The book covers seven foundational elements including prayer, worship, Bible reading, and making disciples. It's been serving churches for eight years now. The goal is creating active followers rather than passive Christians. The conversation shifts to visual media's role in church ministry. Samuel emphasizes balance between Holy Spirit dependence and intentional atmosphere creation. Different events require different visual approaches. Some need high energy graphics while others need softer touches. Awaken Church's planning process involves long runways for major events like conferences. However, weekly sermon graphics work differently. Each campus preaches unique messages within themed guidelines. The central creative team produces graphics for all 11 campuses. Pastors submit message titles and points through an online form, sometimes as late as Saturday morning. Samuel highlights the importance of cohesive visuals that match the message. He shares examples of when graphics missed the mark versus when they perfectly complemented the sermon. With his graphic design background, he appreciates production teams' challenges and timeline pressures. CONNECT WITH CHURCH VISUALS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠instagram.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/groups/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠twitter.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ conversations@churchvisuals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SHOW NOTES⁠⁠⁠⁠

    15 min
  5. Essential Visuals for Church Social Media with Nils Smith | S3 E1

    JUN 13

    Essential Visuals for Church Social Media with Nils Smith | S3 E1

    Episode 1 Welcome to a new season of Conversation with Ministry Leaders. In this episode we sit down with Nils Smith to talk social media and specifically what are essential visuals for church social media. First, we explore his eight-year journey serving in ministry at Hillsong. Then, dive deep into social media strategy for churches. Nils shares practical wisdom from his book "The Social Media Guide." He emphasizes leading with inspiration rather than marketing. Moreover, he highlights how real ministry happens in comments and DMs, not just content creation. Next, we discuss platform priorities. YouTube emerges as the top recommendation for consistent growth. Additionally, Instagram and TikTok offer unique opportunities. However, Nils warns against spreading too thin across platforms. Furthermore, we examine video content strategy. Long-form sermons perform best on YouTube. Meanwhile, short clips can drive traffic to full messages. Quality continues to matter more than quantity. The conversation then shifts to visual content. Motion graphics are becoming essential for engagement. Therefore, churches should invest in motion design capabilities. This investment improves average view duration and platform reach. Finally, Nils offers actionable takeaways. He recommends getting one percent better with each video. Focus on thumbnails, audio quality, and visual elements. Most importantly, prioritize YouTube as the platform for future church growth. Whether you're a solo pastor or part of a large team, this episode provides practical steps for digital ministry success. CONNECT WITH CHURCH VISUALS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠instagram.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/groups/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠twitter.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ conversations@churchvisuals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SHOW NOTES⁠⁠⁠⁠

    14 min
  6. Show Don't Tell: Using Visuals to Communicate Your Church's Message with Justin Nava | S2 E12

    MAY 23

    Show Don't Tell: Using Visuals to Communicate Your Church's Message with Justin Nava | S2 E12

    Episode 12 Join us for an insightful Conversation with Ministry Leaders with Justin Nava from Nava Church Marketing. He specializes in helping churches build effective online presences. Throughout this episode, we explore the critical role websites play in modern church outreach and using visuals to communicate the church's message. First, we discuss why church websites matter so much today. Nine out of ten people visit a church's website before stepping foot in the building. This makes your online presence your digital front door. Therefore, creating an engaging website becomes essential for effective ministry. Next, Justin explains his unique approach to church web design. Rather than focusing on aesthetics alone, he emphasizes purpose-driven design. Every church has a unique mission and calling. Consequently, their website should reflect that distinctive identity clearly. We then dive into practical website strategies. Justin reveals what churches should stop doing immediately. Many churches talk too much about themselves instead of addressing visitor needs. Instead, successful websites focus on how the church serves its community. Additionally, we explore the power of visual storytelling. Photos and graphics matter more than lengthy text blocks. People scan websites quickly and form impressions instantly. Therefore, authentic images of your congregation tell better stories than stock photos. Furthermore, testimonials emerge as crucial website elements. Real stories from church members carry more weight than promotional content. These authentic accounts help visitors envision their own potential experience. Finally, we address common website mistakes churches make. Missing basic information like addresses creates unnecessary barriers. Simple oversights can prevent visitors from taking that important first step toward connection. CONNECT WITH CHURCH VISUALS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠instagram.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/groups/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠twitter.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ conversations@churchvisuals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SHOW NOTES⁠⁠⁠⁠

    18 min
  7. Elevating Your Message: The Power of Sermon Review and Visual Support with Ben Stapley | S2 E11

    MAY 16

    Elevating Your Message: The Power of Sermon Review and Visual Support with Ben Stapley | S2 E11

    Episode 11 In this episode of Conversation with Ministry Leaders, our host Carl Barnhill welcomes back frequent guest and friend, Ben Stapely to discuss the transformative practice and power of sermon review. First, Ben shares his 20-year ministry experience, explaining how sermon review saved both his ministry and marriage by creating healthier boundaries. Moreover, he emphasizes that reviewing sermons before preaching improves message quality while creating margin for family and staff. The conversation then explores practical implementation. Specifically, Ben recommends sending sermon manuscripts to trusted advisers midweek for feedback. Additionally, he suggests seeking input from diverse voices who will provide honest critique rather than simple affirmation. Meanwhile, Ben clarifies that the preacher maintains final authority on content decisions. Next, the discussion shifts to visual elements in preaching. Surprisingly, despite 80% of people being visual learners, many preachers focus exclusively on words. Furthermore, Ben highlights how visual support makes messages more memorable and suggests studying effective visual communication in growing churches and news broadcasts. The pair also cover technical approaches to incorporating visuals during services. For instance, Ben recommends options like placing a TV beside the preacher or utilizing LED walls, with consideration for blocking and positioning. Finally, Ben addresses common objections to sermon review—lack of time and concerns about limiting the Holy Spirit. In contrast, he argues that spending one additional hour refining the message that occupies 60% of service time is worthwhile. Ultimately, Ben reminds listeners that the Holy Spirit works through preparation as much as presentation, benefiting both the preacher and the entire ministry team. CONNECT WITH CHURCH VISUALS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠instagram.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/groups/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠twitter.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ conversations@churchvisuals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SHOW NOTES⁠⁠⁠⁠

    17 min
  8. The Visual Church: Why Online Ministry Is More Than Just Streaming with Jay Kranda | S2 E10

    MAY 9

    The Visual Church: Why Online Ministry Is More Than Just Streaming with Jay Kranda | S2 E10

    Episode 10 In this insightful Conversation with Ministry Leaders, we hear from Jay Kranda, an online church veteran with over 13 years of experience at Saddleback Church. Despite his digital expertise, Jay challenges the notion that "online church is the answer." Instead, he emphasizes that simply streaming services is not enough. Online ministry is more than just streaming. Churches need to think beyond weekend services and embrace digital tools for comprehensive discipleship. Jay shares his "alpha omega approach" for integrating technology throughout church ministry. He notes that post-COVID, many churches saw 15-25% retention in their online audiences, with many in-person attendees "double-dipping" by engaging with both physical and digital content. The conversation then shifts to the power of visuals. Jay explains that in our attention-seeking culture, visual elements significantly enhance engagement and retention. He references a study showing that people remember only 10% of what they hear but 80% of what they see. Furthermore, he shares a personal experience of watching Seth Godin use powerful visuals that complemented his presentation without ever turning to look at the screen. Finally, Jay offers a practical tip: pay attention to content that makes you stop scrolling. By reverse-engineering what caught your attention, you can improve your own visual communication. Ultimately, remember the importance of intentional digital strategy and powerful visuals in modern church ministry. CONNECT WITH CHURCH VISUALS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠instagram.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/groups/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠twitter.com/churchvisuals⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ conversations@churchvisuals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SHOW NOTES⁠⁠⁠⁠

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