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Phil Hill, Jeanette Wiseman, Kevin Kelly and guests discuss the rapidly changing world of higher education. What impact with COVID-19 have on Fall 2020 term? What should we expect with online and hybrid models?

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Phil Hill, Jeanette Wiseman, Kevin Kelly and guests discuss the rapidly changing world of higher education. What impact with COVID-19 have on Fall 2020 term? What should we expect with online and hybrid models?

    Episode 7: Practical Advice for HyFlex

    Episode 7: Practical Advice for HyFlex

    In this episode, Phil Hill, Jeanette Wiseman, and Kevin Kelly discuss some of the practical issues faced by students, instructors, and institutions when implementing HyFlex models.


    * Phil Hill* Jeanette Wiseman* Kevin Kelly


    Phil: Hi, I’m Phil Hill. And welcome to COVID Transitions. This week, we have a special episode that’s focused on the growing interest in hybrid formats for fall 2020. And specifically with the HyFlex model that’s being discussed at many campuses. We wanted to take some time to address some reader questions and in particular, look at the practical implications of preparing students as well as faculty and course designers for these new methods. Jeanette Wiseman and Kevin Kelly had an opportunity to talk about these details. We hope you enjoyed this episode.

    Jeanette: Hey, Kevin.

    Kevin: Hey, how are you today?

    Jeanette: Okay. I feel like we need to have a little theme music playing at this point, since Phil’s not here to do it.

    Kevin: Well and his voice is so resonating, so we’ll have to do our best.

    Jeanette: How has your week gone?

    Kevin: It has been a little bit nutty. He had two online events for over a hundred people, and my niece was supposed to graduate on Tuesday. When I sent her a text saying I was thinking about her, and I know it was supposed to be her big day, and we’ll figure out a way to celebrate your achievement. She said, Thanks, Uncle Kevin. It means a lot. Praying that COVID clears up by my college graduation.

    Jeanette: Now, my godson graduated from the Naval Academy last week, and we were really looking forward to helping him celebrate that. So not being able to do that was disappointing for sure. So what were your webinars about this week, Kevin?

    Kevin: One was with the group, I’m on the board, the Association of Authentic, Experiential and Evidence Based Learning paired up with e-Portfolios Australia.

    Jeanette: Well, sounds like you were busy. Also had some blog posts and some really good comments and questions on this blog post this week.

    Kevin: Yeah. And I think one of the most interesting questions stemmed from the blog post about HyFlex course design, and the person said, hey, our campus is considering HyFlex, and you have a very compelling bullet point about preparing students. But what does that look like? What should we be doing to prepare students for success in the HyFlex environment? And that to me said, OK, well, I guess we’ve got to put some more out there.

    Jeanette: Yeah, absolutely. We can.

    Kevin: Something we can discuss today.

    Jeanette: I think so I think there’s a lot of people really curious about not only how did they do the HyFlex or the hybrid classes and planning for fall, but what EdTech students need to know. And what did they need to do to be prepared coming into really different learning environment? So do you have any pointers for instructors and schools looking to try to make sure that their students are ready for something that’s gonna be different?

    Kevin: I do. I do. And I also have pointers for students themselves. I know we have an active listening group of students who love this podcast and it’s growing in popularity. For teachers and campuses, I think there are a couple of things they can do. One is to break it down. I don’t think it’s enough to put in a course catalog. That, of course,

    • 21 min
    Episode 6: The Floodgates

    Episode 6: The Floodgates

    In this episode, Phil Hill, Jeanette Wiseman, and Kevin Kelly discuss multiple campus and system plans for Fall 2020, with many schools going public with reopening (hybrid) or staying online announcements over the past week.


    * Phil Hill* Jeanette Wiseman* Kevin Kelly


    Phil: Welcome back to COVID Transitions. I’m Phil Hill and I’m here with Jeanette Wiseman and Kevin Kelly for another week of discussions about higher education and the changes we’re going through. This week, somewhat of a follow up to our discussion last week. Last week, we noted that now that Cal State University, with its four hundred and eighty thousand students, announced it was going to be mostly online for fall 2020. We were expecting to hear quite a few announcements coming forward, that you’d get a lot more, as Kevin was describing, if somebody is out on the dance floor now, other people can get out there. Indeed, we are starting to see quite a bit of news coming out. So we wanted to cover what’s happening with the news and what the changes are. It’s certainly been an exciting week from what I’ve seen, news wise, if you can call this type of information exciting.

    Jeanette: Well, lordy, momma there’s not very much consistency. It doesn’t seem like, that’s for sure. With all that’s expense.

    Phil: That’s part of the excitement. A lot of these you couldn’t have predicted or certainly I couldn’t have predicted the way they went. Let’s run through some of the news and just get your thoughts on what’s actually happening. So last week, we covered with California that there were some preliminary news about the University of California system, much more definitive news from Cal State system and then the California budget. Well, there are two things that have happened this week. First of all, the California community college system. Kevin, describe what you saw there and what do we know about why they’re actually making the decision they’re making?

    Kevin: Well, I know originally the chancellor had said that it was still going to be up to the colleges in one of those Wednesday webinars that they hold to discuss COVID circumstances. They had basically set it up as such. But I think in the meantime, it’s been a little bit more guidance to have more virtual.

    Phil: Yeah, I think we’ve seen a lot of the campuses already coming out saying that they were going to be virtual for fall 2020. Then the chancellor came out on Monday and essentially said he was endorsing the decision that most colleges were going to be virtual. That’s a way I had seen the news represented. I found it interesting that part of the rationale was simply finances. We’re community colleges, we recognize we probably can’t afford some of the mitigation requirements that we expect to see if we were going to try to open the in-person classes. Just the ability to afford plexiglass and social distancing and testing and all the changes seem to be a major factor there.

    Jeanette: I also think, though, from a community college standpoint, strategically it makes sense. I think that not only California, but beyond being able, community college has two things going for it. It’s usually commuter plays. There’s not a lot of community colleges that have a big resident population.

    It’s a place where it would be easy to go online. Then additionally and I think we saw some of the news reports this week that also talked about this that students aren’t sure what they’re going to do next year.

    • 33 min
    Episode 5: California Dreaming

    Episode 5: California Dreaming

    In this episode, Phil Hill, Jeanette Wiseman, and Kevin Kelly discuss multiple news items coming out of California that could be an early view into nationwide reactions – Cal State system remaining (mostly) virtual through Fall 2020 and California’s revised budget and its impact on higher education.


    * Phil Hill* Jeanette Wiseman* Kevin Kelly


    Phil: Well, welcome back to the podcast COVID Transitions. I’m Phil Hill, and again I’m here with Kevin Kelly and Jeanette Wiseman for another episode. Welcome. And I probably need to get started saying, Jeanette, any updates on how your husband’s doing and how your family is recovering?

    Jeanette: Thank you, Phil. We’re doing really well. He’s recovering nicely. The bruising is still there, but surprisingly not as bad as you would think. I think it may be a few more weeks till he’s feeling completely back to normal but thanks, we’re all doing well.

    Phil: I like that intro because now people who are just starting to listen to this episode are going to have to go back one episode and get started earlier. So that’s that’s good.

    Jeanette: Yes. That’s a good tease.

    Phil: Yes. Yes. And Kevin, how are you doing? I know that look like you had some impressive work you were doing last week with the stained glass window outside. So how are things going in your household?

    Kevin: Well, we did that work outside over the weekend, and then I haven’t seen it since. It’s been it’s been busy. And Phil, if you’re going to entice people to go back and listen to previous episodes, they should have to go find it.

    Phil: Oh, it’s a treasure hunt. Well, this will be our sixth episode of COVID Transition. At least now listeners will know how many they might have to search through.

    As for me, probably one of the more disappointing days I had is when I needed to take a break from being in the office so much, and at lunchtime, I took the dog to go walk on the beach and rediscovered that we have our beaches closed from 11:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. It was very difficult to convince the dog that we couldn’t walk down the stairs. He’s not as concerned about the fines that they levy out here if you go on the beach at the wrong time. Sort of first world problems. But that was a challenge for us.

    Jeanette: Sorry to hear that. I didn’t know that had happened.

    Phil: Yes. Well, I felt dumb, too. Of course I’d know this, but once I get there, I’m like, ‘oh, I can’t even go down the beach.’ But that’s something I might even turn to what we’d like to talk about today, which is problems in California, or opportunities in California. Basically all things California.

    A lot of the news this week has centered on the announcement by California State University system that they are opening primarily online for the fall. We’ll go into more details of what that means, but most classes will be online for all 23 California State University campuses for Fall 2020. And that obviously has repercussions beyond just the system.

    And I like the way that they actually mentioned this in the Wall Street Journal coverage, where they noted that “five percent of Americans holding a college degree graduated from a Cal State school.” It puts it in perspective how influential that is. And at the same time, the University of California, one of the other public systems here,

    • 27 min
    Episode 4: HyFlex Updates and the Strong Get Stronger

    Episode 4: HyFlex Updates and the Strong Get Stronger

    In this episode, Phil Hill, Jeanette Wiseman, and Kevin Kelly discuss additional details on the Hybrid Flexible model (HyFlex). We then address how institutions that have already invested in the social infrastructure to support quality hybrid and online teaching are likely to fare much better than under-resourced schools (in terms of eLearning support and culture).


    * Phil Hill* Jeanette Wiseman* Kevin Kelly


    Phil: Hi, I’m Phil Hill, and welcome back to COVID Transitions. I’m here talking to Kevin Kelly and Jeanette Wiseman. Before we get to the topics of the day, we are lucky to have Janette with us today, because there was a family medical emergency that she’s been going through. That really raises a question about how life affects us during this time of COVID. But, you know, without sharing details, but Jeanette – anything you wanted to share with the hospital experience and what it does to families?

    Jeanette: Yeah. I will share a little bit so it’s not so cryptic with people probably thinking it is worse than it is.

    My husband was on top of the ladder yesterday and fell. It was a pretty high ladder, and he hit his head, had a skull fracture. He wasn’t at home when this happened – he was at his place of business, just cleaning things up.

    What’s really scary is once somebody gets into the hospital, that’s it. It’s sort of like a dead zone. I had no idea what was happening other than he was taken in the ambulance to the hospital. And it’s really scary. It was a scary 12 to 14 hours. Luckily, we have a friend who’s a physician who was able to go and be with him and advocate for him a little bit.

    I think it just speaks to you’re not going to the hospital, you’re not going to the doctors at this time. When you do it’s a very different place to be. It’s a very different experience to go through. And you feel really helpless. He’s fine, though. He’s going to be OK.

    Kevin: I’m so grateful that he’s OK. And I hope he continues to … to heal quickly. I wish I had less experience with this, to say that sounds so unique. But every time it’s proven to be true that someone needs to be an advocate, because health care has changed so dramatically where the focus is less on the patient and more on completing tasks.

    It also makes me think about – to pivot slightly toward our topics – our students and even instructors today who are trying to deal with emergency remote teaching while addressing family needs. I co-teach my online course with someone who’s down in the L.A. area, and her mother had a stroke and recently passed away, and she couldn’t even visit because of the restrictions around hospital visits. The whole experience of not being able to, to be with your own mother in a time of crisis, not being able to attend the funeral except for FaceTime. It speaks to the need to remember the human side of the virtual world that we’re in with these stay at home orders.

    Jeanette: What I’ve noticed is that we as humankind are being robbed of ritual. When you hear of things like no funerals. And now we’re looking at May graduations aren’t going to happen. Birthdays aren’t going to happen. Weddings aren’t happening. And that’s major component of being human is not something that we’re able to celebrate or grieve with, or to just be supportive in some ways that we’re used to. We’re having to find new ways to do that.

    • 30 min
    Episode 3: Enter Darkness

    Episode 3: Enter Darkness

    In this episode, Phil Hill, Jeanette Wiseman, and Kevin Kelly discuss how different the Fall 2020 decision will be for campus decision-makers than was the Spring 2020 move to remote. The recent move was easy, in a way, with a binary choice and little second-guessing. Fall will be different.


    * Phil Hill* Jeanette Wiseman* Kevin Kelly


    Phil: Welcome

    again to the MindWires COVID Transitions podcast, where we discuss the

    challenging era or were in with educational institutions transitioning to

    remote learning and online modalities and dealing in general with the COVID-19

    induced crisis. And I’m here with my colleagues again, Jeanette Wiseman and

    Kevin Kelly. And Jeanette, as I’m sure you guys will notice, has received her

    new microphone. So how are you?

    Jeanette: I’m

    doing much better. Hopefully everyone can hear me a little bit clearer. Hi,


    Phil: Oh, yeah.

    And Kevin, how are you doing? You’ll have your new microphone sometime over the

    weekend. But through your cheap set up, how are you doing today?

    Kevin: I’m a

    cheap date and I’m doing well. It’s sunny here. And even though I haven’t been

    outside in days, it looks nice.

    Phil: It’s funny

    as we talk about the microphones. I was surprised just how hard it was to get

    the basics. It turns out that decent quality microphones for your laptop is

    somewhere on par with toilet paper, decent paper towels, hand cleaner. Just the

    things that we found are extremely difficult to find and have to find it from

    different sources and ship them long distances to find them. So I’m glad we’re

    getting set up here.

    Jeanette: Yeah.

    What? It’s like getting flour right now. Right now. Yeah.

    Phil: And you get

    excited with some of these basic who? I found a source. I know how to do this.

    I had that recently with Costco and tissue paper or Kleenex. I was like, oh, I

    can’t believe I found it. I was so happy.

    Jeanette: And now

    it’s there’s definitely I feel like a channeling my Depression era grandmothers

    right now and saving things. But I also feel really excited over those little

    things since we’re making so much at home.

    Phil: Well, I

    hope we can appreciate the good things in life. And that’s why I find what’s

    good out of this. What we wanted to talk about today was looking at what’s

    happening in the community. There has been an explosion of conversation over

    the past week to week and a half in terms of what institutional plans are for

    the fall semester.

    So we’ve all always known this had to happen, and we’ve

    written about the fact that this is likely going to be high pressure in April

    and May. But in typical Higher Ed fashion, I think you have a lot of herd

    behavior. And what’s happened now is so many schools are not just talking about

    should we go online, should we reopen the campus? Is there something in


    But they’re starting to talk about this topic in public. But

    they’re doing it an interesting way. So one of the post I wrote recently, Cal

    State Fullerton, made news where what came out of NPR and many other media

    sources, including the L.A. Times. I’ll read from NPR, and this was from last

    week. “On Monday,

    • 31 min
    Episode 2: Difficulty and Value of Student Input

    Episode 2: Difficulty and Value of Student Input

    In this episode, Phil Hill, Jeanette Wiseman, and Kevin Kelly discuss value of getting student input while making plans for Fall 2020. But that’s not always simple to do, or at least common to do. The discussion built on some of the concepts in in this blog post.


    * Phil Hill* Jeanette Wiseman* Kevin Kelly


    Phil: Welcome,

    everyone, to another episode of MindWires COVID Transitions. I’m here with

    Janette Wisemen and Kevin Kelly and looking forward to our conversation today.

    What we mentioned in our last podcast that we wanted to

    explore in more detail is getting more of the student perspective.

    Kevin, you mentioned this in your recent blog post talking

    about that COVID-19 recovery and planning must include student perspective. And

    if you don’t mind me quoting you to you. You made a good point saying “to

    increase student success with the planning, we have to include students in the

    conversation. Right now, for the most part, we talk about students without

    talking to them.”

    I think that’s a really important point that we’d like to go

    through today, is that whole challenge and experience and ideas about getting

    student input.

    In particular, because there’s been a really significant

    shift over the past week or two where most focus is now on what’s going to

    happen in the fall. Colleges and universities have big decisions to make and

    they’re making it worth partial information. And this is a key theme of your

    posts were saying, well, as you do that, you need to understand what the

    student perspective is.

    Kevin, it might be worthwhile if you could just describe a

    little bit more of what motivated you to write the post and how you see this

    challenge, including what we’re not doing so far and what we need to do more of

    on getting student perspective.

    Kevin: Well, what

    motivated me to write the post? I teach a class called How to Learn with your

    mobile device. It’s the flip side of the coin where my day job I teach faculty

    how to teach online my night job grading papers related to how students are

    learning with their mobile devices. And the student voice has always been

    important to me throughout my career. So what’s interesting is the consistency

    with the comments my own students made at the bottom of the blog post you

    referenced with some of the quantitative data from surveys that are out there

    in the sphere that have recently been produced and publicized. There are some

    themes out there that we can touch on throughout today’s conversation that are

    consistent in both areas.

    Phil: But before

    we get into those themes, I guess I want to first acknowledge or deal with what

    I believe we’re saying, which is we’re not doing a good job of of talking with

    students, getting their input and more of that perspective.

    So part of the question is why is it so difficult to get

    student perspective?

    I mean, one of the most obvious issues is the numbers that

    you have far more students than you have faculty.

    But there are also other challenges, I think that we have

    any time we’re trying to get student perspective and this is not just a matter

    of COVID-19 planning.

    • 35 min

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Hello there nyc 27 ,

On point

Great topical series-- as faculty member prepping myself and colleagues for fall instruction, I appreciate their perspective, synthesis of current thinking and models, and also transcript in case I don't have time to listen to it all.

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Unique perspective

The MindWires gang has great insights into ed tech and ed innovation based on work with educators, learners, institutions and vendors. Great to get their perspectives on this massive challenge.

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