187 episodes

Biracial co-hosts Sara & Misasha - two wickedly smart, funny, compassionate best friends - have very mixed-race children between them, and are personally invested in helping to uproot systemic racism. Weekly episodes include interviews of people whose stories you might not often listen to; deep dives into history, psychology, and current events to explain why we are where we are as a country; and actions that you take right now to make change in your spheres. We're not perfect, but we're real. Join us on this journey.

Dear White Women Sara and Misasha

    • Society & Culture
    • 4.7 • 120 Ratings

Biracial co-hosts Sara & Misasha - two wickedly smart, funny, compassionate best friends - have very mixed-race children between them, and are personally invested in helping to uproot systemic racism. Weekly episodes include interviews of people whose stories you might not often listen to; deep dives into history, psychology, and current events to explain why we are where we are as a country; and actions that you take right now to make change in your spheres. We're not perfect, but we're real. Join us on this journey.

    186: Reaganomics, Student Debt Relief, and Racism Are All Linked

    186: Reaganomics, Student Debt Relief, and Racism Are All Linked

    Nothing to kick off this next episode like a fiery title, right?  But in case it makes you question whether you’ll hit play, please know that this isn’t your typical economics podcast, nor is it going to be so dry that you turn this off 5 minutes into listening.  
    That said, it IS crucial for you to listen if you want to understand how policies that were made now 40 years ago are still directly affecting us to this day – plus, it gives you a sense of just how important it is to consider who our representatives are, and how you’re going to vote in the midterm elections coming up in 2022.
    So buckle up - economics may never have been so interesting.
     
    What to listen for:
    Our cyclical history: power being consolidated in the hands of a few rich White folks, and then being redistributed, and then consolidated again Challenging the myth of the cowboy who was painted as a hardworking White man who wanted nothing of the government but to be left alone to work out his own future The clearly racist things President Reagan said and believed - and how that played into his (in)famous economic policies The dissolution of social safety nets, and how that plays into the recent student debt relief - and society’s reactions - from the Biden administration  
    For more on the GI Bill, listen to Episode 88: Fighting Both Hitler and Jim Crow: Honor Our BIPOC Veterans

    • 39 min
    185: Democrats used to be Republicans - WHAT?

    185: Democrats used to be Republicans - WHAT?

    The 2022 Republican Party would have never been able to back Abraham Lincoln as their presidential candidate - except for one tiny detail: Lincoln was a Republican, and espoused the original beliefs of the Republican Party (down to the anti-slavery, committed to equality part). 
     
    So how did we get from Lincoln’s Republican Party to today’s Trump political base? 
     
    Who were the Whigs? 
     
    What do we mean when we say Southern Democrats? 
     
    Why does this cycle of money and power keep reappearing on the political stage, over and over again?
     
    If those are some of the questions you have - or even if those are questions you’ve never thought of asking yourself, but you realize that somewhere, someone made some changes to how we define political parties in this country, and it’s important to understand just how far the 2022 Republican party is from those original Republican ideals - then this is the episode for you. 
     
    It’s like US History all over again, except more engaging, more relevant, and it includes stuff you’ll actually remember… hopefully long enough to go vote.  
     
    What to listen for: 
    What the two original American political parties were (hint: Republican wasn’t one of them) Why the Republican Party was formed, and the two ideals that held it together How the Republican Party and Democrat Party switched ideologies over time, but how it was really Truman and Johnson, two Southern Democrat Presidents, who pushed that ideological change through their pro-civil rights stances (which weren’t even that extreme at times) What we can do with this information from a practical perspective: go vote, and get loud.

    • 32 min
    184: Do the Work with W. Kamau Bell

    184: Do the Work with W. Kamau Bell

    Someone very smart sent me an article just today that talks about the role of humor when we deal with stressful situations/anxiety-creating moments. And on that front: have any of you (and in this moment, I think we’re specifically talking to White people) ever felt weighed down by how heavy anti-racism work can be?  You maybe noticed that sometimes we’re pretty serious on this show…  
    Though I’m a serious, overthinking person sometimes, in real life I’m goofy and I actually make fun of myself quite a lot, texting photos of myself in awful workout outfits to you, you have the driest sense of humor of all the people I know except for your husband like we’re not that dry.  
    So what do you all think about listening to about 15 minutes of one of the funniest activist-comedians out there today - hearing how HE, a funny guy, might explain what might be great for White women to do in this work, how to process how tired we all are, and what crocheting has to do with it.
     
    What to listen for: 
    Why understanding the history of the United States is important to understanding where we are today What Kamau Bell would tell White women on the whole - including how if we had the same energy for anti-racism that we had for coordinating our kids' summer camps, we would be there by the end of the summer, maybe? There’s no issue of oppression in this country that hurts White people that doesn’t connect back to really really hurting the Black, Brown, Indigenous, Asian, and Latinx populations 
    W. KAMAU BELL is a dad, husband, and comedian. He directed and executive-produced the four-part Showtime documentary We Need To Talk About Cosby, which premiered at Sundance. He famously met with the KKK on his Emmy-Award-winning CNN docu-series United Shades of America with W. Kamau Bell, where he serves as host and executive producer. He has appeared on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Conan, The Daily Show with Trevor Noah, CBS Mornings, MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Comedy Central, HBO, Fresh Air with Terry Gross, WTF with Marc Maron, The Breakfast Club, and This American Life. He has two stand-up comedy specials, Private School Negro (Netflix) and Semi-Prominent Negro (Showtime). Kamau’s writing has been featured in Time, The New York Times, Vanity Fair, The Hollywood Reporter, CNN.com, Salon, and The LA Review of Books. Kamau’s first book has an easy-to-remember title, The Awkward Thoughts of W. Kamau Bell: Tales of a 6' 4", African American, Heterosexual, Cisgender, Left-Leaning, Asthmatic, Black and Proud Blerd, Mama's Boy, Dad, and Stand-Up Comedian. He is the ACLU Artist Ambassador for Racial Justice and serves on the board of directors of Donors Choose and the advisory board of Hollaback! Along with Kate Schatz, he’s the co-author of Do the Work: An Anti-Racist Activity Book. For more information, please visit: http://www.wkamaubell.com/, or follow W. Kamau on Twitter here and Instagram here.

    • 15 min
    183: Do the Work, with Kate Schatz

    183: Do the Work, with Kate Schatz

    In all of this anti-racism work, have you ever had a time when the fear of making a mistake kept you from speaking up?  It’s not every day we get to interview a NYT bestselling author who’s willing to share how she’s made mistakes so that you know we ALL mess up from time to time.  
     
    A huge hello and welcome to author Kate Schatz - author, activist, educator, and queer feminist mama who’s been talking, writing, and teaching about race, gender, social justice, and equity for many years.  She’s also an incredible person who wrote a blurb in support of our book and showed up IN PERSON to host our Dear White Women book launch tour in San Francisco!  
     
    If you’ve got kids, go buy her Rad Women book series, and now, go buy the workbook she co-authored with next week’s guest, Kamau Bell - it’s called Do the work: An AntiRacist Activity Book.  Which I just found in the library too!  But it’s much better to buy your own copy so you can write all throughout it.  Listen in to learn about what she’s hearing from White women, what sorts of mistakes she’s made - especially White women, listen up, we all make mistakes! So get over it and GO DO THE WORK - and listen to how you can use this workbook in your own life.  
     
    What to listen for: 
    What pushbacks Kate hears from White women Some mistakes Kate has made in “the work” of anti-racism Why it was important to include dialogue between the co-authors in each section of the book Kate’s thoughts on what people can start doing immediately after buying the workbook
    KATE SCHATZ is an author, activist, educator, and queer feminist mama who's been talking, writing and teaching about race, gender, social justice, and equity for many years. She's the New York Times-bestselling author of the "Rad Women" book series, (Rad American Women A-Z, Rad Women Worldwide, Rad Girls Can, and Rad American History A-Z), and her book of fiction Rid of Me: A Story is part of the cult-favorite 33 ⅓ series. Along with W. Kamau Bell, she’s the co-author of Do the Work: An AntiRacist Activity Book.  For more information, please visit: https://www.kateschatz.com/, or follow Kate on Twitter here and Instagram here.

    • 12 min
    182: What Can I Do to Be More Anti-racist? The Not-a-Checklist Checklist

    182: What Can I Do to Be More Anti-racist? The Not-a-Checklist Checklist

    Over the last 3.5 years, we’ve had this weekly podcast (now on episode 182!), we’ve written a book (Dear White Women: Let’s Get (Un)comfortable Talking About Racism), and we’ve spoken with many different people at many different organizations.  Meaning, we’ve heard and learned a lot of things.
     
    With a few exceptions, our sense is that people *want* to be seen as good people; they say they *want* to be more anti-racist.  But despite their best intentions, some things get in the way of you actually *doing* something to make positive change: You don’t feel like you know enough, you don’t want to make a mistake, and so you don’t feel like you know what to actually do.
     
    So this episode is meant as a kick in the pants at the end of our summer of action, to give you a LOT of ideas.  Listen through and if something sparks your interest or speaks to you, write it down; remember it; come back to it and DO it.  
     
    Listen for tips on what you can do at your kitchen table, your workplace, the voting booth, with your money, at your kids’ schools if you have kids, and more. 
     
    And then the best thing you can do?  Share this episode with a friend - and let us know what you think!
     
    Related episodes: 
    Episode 139: Vote for Humanity 

    • 33 min
    181: How A Single Judge from Texas Controlled US Immigration Policy

    181: How A Single Judge from Texas Controlled US Immigration Policy

    You might be tired of hearing about the Supreme Court taking away people’s rights - but the process behind how SCOTUS does that is important, as depending on the results of the midterms, we may be seeing this more, and with a much wider scope. 
     
    For example, do you know what SCOTUS did about immigration in July? And if your response was “Wait, what?” then this episode is for you. Tune in to hear about that decision (which stemmed from a Texas judicial challenge to the Biden administration), what that means for immigration policy in general, and how you can take action.
     
    What to listen for: 
    That the Executive Branch (i.e. President) is meant to control immigration policy - and how people who were mad at the Biden administration's shift in policy got back at him by suing and letting a Texas judge curtail their ability to direct their Department of Homeland Security staff How SCOTUS’s decision goes against decades of precedent around immigration policy in our country, which balances enforcement with mercy What you can do about this - including learning the history of our immigration policy; voting; telling people about what SCOTUS is doing ahead of the decision in 2023; supporting organizations that do the work at the border to uphold humanitarian efforts.  
    Related Episodes: 
    Episode 36: The Enemy of My Enemy is My Friend - about Miller
    Episode 27: Recognizing the Humanity in Everyone - about Hispanic Heritage Month and immigration
     

    • 19 min

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