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Fashionably Late is a podcast about finding career fulfillment at any age. In this weekly podcast, Amy Rowland interviews guests who share their inspiring career stories as well as experts who give practical advice on things like how to present your best self in interviews and how to stay confident during the job search process. Remember--even if you arrive a little late, you’re right on time.

Fashionably Late Amy Rowland

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Fashionably Late is a podcast about finding career fulfillment at any age. In this weekly podcast, Amy Rowland interviews guests who share their inspiring career stories as well as experts who give practical advice on things like how to present your best self in interviews and how to stay confident during the job search process. Remember--even if you arrive a little late, you’re right on time.

    Final Episode of Fashionably Late

    Final Episode of Fashionably Late

    In this final episode, Amy talks about what she has learned doing this podcast and why she is ending the podcast now. 

    • 4 min
    Bailey Surtees, CEO of Kubanda Cryotherapy Shares Her Career Journey

    Bailey Surtees, CEO of Kubanda Cryotherapy Shares Her Career Journey

    Today Amy introduces us to Bailey Surtees.  It won’t be the last time you will hear about her as the work she and a team of cofounders are doing is consequential.  Her career pivot is in progress, and we’re on hand to witness as she and her work evolve.
    Bailey tells us she was interested in science at an early age.  She loved biology in high school, and she loved what she had learned to that point about engineering and problem solving.  As she headed off to college from home in Oklahoma to Johns Hopkins University in Maryland, she wasn’t yet sure how her two interests would coalesce, but once she arrived, she fit in nicely as a bioengineering major.
    Bailey’s career journey began in earnest during her senior year at JHU.  As an assignment in a senior design program, she and some fellow students were challenged with a problem solving project. They teamed with field clinicians and what they eventually came up with was   remarkable work they hoped would be game changing. Their project eventually led to the founding of a business, and Bailey became the lead.
     Originally, the team’s goal was to study both breast cancer diagnoses and treatments for patients in low resource countries.  But they soon modified their study after they learned professionals in the field were far more concerned about treatment than about diagnosis. This was because they had no viable way to treat in the field following a diagnosis. This revelation caused the team to put their focus on finding a way to provide treatment methods that would work in field conditions. They determined they’d spend a year researching this, and by the end of that year, they had come up with their own treatment method which was unlike anything else available. 
    The team applied for grants to sustain their efforts post-graduation.  They wanted to work full time on the project as they’d become convinced that it had commercial potential.  They eventually were ready to move from research to development. Six years have passed and Bailey’s company, Kubanda Cryotherapy, is growing.  But what is this treatment?
    It is a minimally invasive cryotherapy technique for lumps and bumps and is currently being used on pets, Bailey explains. Kubanda started in the pet therapy market to help them fast forward to human treatment.  It is a cost effective alternative to surgical resections, and right now it’s being used by veterinarians with the hope for an eventual go-ahead for human trials.
    Bailey says the treatment trades a “knife for a needle”. She describes the simple procedure and emphasizes how inexpensive it is.  All that’s needed is a CO2 tank. No electricity is required.  A needle is inserted into the lump or tumor.  The needle is then chilled to -70 degrees.  This rapidly creates ice in the tissue, and those sharp ice shards quickly attack and burst the cells.  The patient experiences minimal pain and does not have to go through the traditionally long recovery period.
    As they move hopefully forward to human trials, they continue to rely on grants but are now raising money through investors too. Bailey has nothing but confidence in the viability of their cryotherapy treatment, and she hopes her enthusiasm is contagious as fund raising is a part of her job now.  The founding group plans to continue expansion by reaching out to even more veterinarians around the country. She manages this task as part of what she does on a day to day basis as well.  She often fills in or helps out with the work being done by the other founders too. She describes how she loves being a jack of all trades for the business.  She says at present she’s learning about HR functions as the company takes on new hires.
    Bailey gave Amy some advice and takeaways she would pass on to other entrepreneurs:
    It’s more doable than you think. Don’t be intimidated Reach out to other entrepreneurs for their support. There is a powerful n

    • 21 min
    From Entertainment to Entertainment Law: Sharon Werner’s Career Story

    From Entertainment to Entertainment Law: Sharon Werner’s Career Story

    Today we meet Sharon Werner who will share with us the story of her fascinating career pivot from New York thespian to Senior Vice President at Home Box Office. Sharon begins her narrative as an undergrad at Bryn Mawr.  She initially thought she would study medicine, but after experiencing some related classes, she changed her major to English and turned her focus to studying the rich literature of both the Renaissance and Medieval periods. 
    By graduation, she had not found her career direction yet, so she took a job as a “gofer” at the Museum of Modern Art in New York City. The job paid very little, but it gave her more time to explore and think about her future.  With a great interest in theater, she signed up for a scene study class at the Herbert Berghof Studio but felt she should pursue something more conventional as well.  Thus she sent out applications to graduate schools where she hoped to continue her English literature studies.  Just as she was accepted at Princeton, she landed a plum part in a musical she had auditioned for.  The production was the Fantasticks and she was cast as The Girl (Luisa), a leading role.  This posed a career dilemma for sure, but in the end, the road less traveled led off-Broadway.
    Sharon learned quickly that you need to know a thing or two about business if you’re going to live on actor’s wages.  She was young and inexperienced but learning quickly.  She left the Fantasticks role after almost 2 years, and did summer stock and small parts in other off-Broadway productions.  A series of theater gigs, and jobs like being a gift wrapper or a salesperson at B. Altman, followed.  Where was she going?
    A friend suggested to her that she possessed skills that might make her a good attorney.  Sharon scoffed and thought being an attorney was “one step up from being an accountant.”  But since nothing else was coming her way, she decided she had nothing to lose by taking the LSAT. She was sure she wouldn’t do well, and she could chalk off that occupation from the list of possibilities.  Fortunately, she was very wrong and she received a high score. Still reluctant, friends encouraged her to apply to top law schools with her stellar test performance.  She again mailed out applications, while she continued to keep her theater options open. 
    While her applications were out to various law schools, she received a last minute call to back up a singer in a musical revue. (The actress who had the role was not feeling well, but she thought she’d still be able to go on.) And though the music didn’t match Sharon’s style or range, she took the job since the production was in a pinch, and she was available. Again, fate stepped in and she actually had to perform as the original actress could not.  Sharon did well and was hired to understudy all the female parts for the show.
    Sharon intended to stay with the revue through its run, but again there were other plans afoot for her in the universe.  With only 2 weeks left for the show, Sharon received an acceptance letter from Harvard Law School. And this would not be the only acceptance letter she received.  She had come once more to a fork in the road. Should she take the route towards the more conventional law school choice or stick with the ever quixotic theater work?
    She decided to give law school a try. Harvard was not offering the scholarship money she needed, so she chose to attend Columbia which proved more generous. Amazingly, she loved law school.  She found the coursework engaging and stimulating. She made law review and Law Revue!  Keeping her love of theater alive, she and some of her fellow students put together fun sketches and parodies about life at law school.  Her time at Columbia was greatly successful, and when her studies were completed, she was hired as a clerk for the Honorable James Oakes of the Second Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals.   She was in the clerkship for a year w

    • 29 min
    Dr. Pinkey Patel: From Pharmacist to Entrepreneur

    Dr. Pinkey Patel: From Pharmacist to Entrepreneur

    Dr. Pinkey Patel grew up helping her parents run motels.  Her mother and father had come to the United States with no education and no money and were determined Pinkey would eventually go to college. Pinkey was an excellent student, especially in math and science, so although she would have to pay her own way, she was in agreement with her parents that college was in her future.
    As her high school class valedictorian, she was well prepared to gather scholarships to help pay her college expenses. Interested in studying some area of healthcare, she chose pharmacy to be her major. She went directly from undergraduate school to her Pharm.D degree, finishing in 6 1/2 years by 2011. As she scouted for scholarship opportunities throughout that time, Pinkey looked to the Miss America Pageant system as a scholarship source. On a second try she won a regional level pageant. In order to advance to the state competition, among other things, she was required to work with a fitness trainer. It was at this point that Pinkey was introduced to both fitness training and body building, interests that would influence and steer her career for the future.
    Through the pageant experience, she became very interested in muscle mechanics and physiology.  She decided that she was more than just an enthusiast, so she eventually gained certification as a personal trainer through the National Society of Sports Medicine.  She taught fitness classes during both her graduate and undergrad years, and after her marriage, she participated in a couple of body building competitions.  Her education coupled with her fitness avocation came together to form the foundation for her career pivot.
    In order to keep her fitness certification, Pinkey enrolled annually for continuing education classes.  She decided to put her focus on pre and post-natal fitness.  Though she had no children of her own yet, she was listening to the concerns of other women as they talked about a myriad of health and fitness problems they experienced before and after they gave birth. She began to investigate some of the fallacies that traditionally drove fitness and health care in this period of women’s lives.  Her investigation finally culminated in The Snapback, an all-inclusive and intuitive postpartum app, but it didn’t happen overnight. 
    Her first move in the app’s eventual creation was to launch a like-minded community in 2018.  She interacted with other women on topics of concern they brought up like bladder control, breast feeding, etc.  This community convinced her she definitely had found an audience in need of sound, factual information, and it reassured her that an app to address their many needs would be extremely useful. In this interview, you will hear her detail some of the creative features she’s developed for her app to address the vast variety of questions new mothers have.
    In September of 2019, she launched The Snapback in 166 countries. Her app has grown sufficiently that in April of 2021, she gave up her full time clinical pharmacy position to oversee her growing online presence. She continues to do one-on-one consulting though in order to stay close to the market she serves.
    Amy broaches the question of motivation. She asks Pinkey what drives her and makes her so passionate about her new work. Pinkey responds by saying that leaving her pharmacy position was the hardest thing she has ever had to do. She had focused all her early years on building that stable career and walking away from it was a big risk to take.  But she says she had seen too often unqualified people badly advising vulnerable, exhausted new mothers.  She knew she had the knowledge and tools to do better for them. 
    Pinkey also tells us about her continued search for funding now and how The Snapback is currently operating financially. She confesses what a big learning curve she is grappling with when it comes to business practices. She’s often engaged in on the job training. 

    • 25 min
    Viola Brumskine’s Journey from Law to Organizational Development

    Viola Brumskine’s Journey from Law to Organizational Development

    Meet Viola Brumskine, a woman with many talents and interests.  Viola was a curious child who had many questions about everything.  With lots of energy and even more curiosity, her parents thought steering her towards journalism was appropriate.  By the time she entered Howard University, she was settled on a major in communications with a minor in journalism and public relations.  This initial plan was modified near the end of her undergrad years however, and at graduation, she had earned her baccalaureate degree in intercultural communications with an emphasis in public relations.
    During the time she was working on the communications degree, Viola enrolled in a debate class.  She found she had an affinity for debate, and when her professor noted this talent, he passed along a favorable word to the Howard mock trial coach. The coach asked her to join the team and when she did, she found most in the group were prelaw majors. Viola then began to give thought to law school too, especially since she found success with mock trial.  She had family who really encouraged her as well, but she felt obligated to complete the undergrad major in communications she had first embarked upon. So at that point, though interested in law school, she was not ready for a commitment yet.
    Her first job post-graduation was with a lobbyist firm. She spent 18 months in that position during which time she gave much thought to where her career was going.  At the end of that period, she had made a final decision to go to law school and eventually enrolled at the University of Kentucky in Lexington.
    Following law school, she moved home to Maryland and prepared for the bar exam.  Upon completion, she landed a clerkship with the Montgomery County Circuit Court, an impressive early career accomplishment and a solid addition to her resume.  Her heart was still with the mock trial skills she had gained though.  Thus, when the opportunity came along, Viola signed on as a litigation associate at Saul Kerpelman & Associates where she stayed for 6 years. 
    Midway through her time there, she became restless.  She felt something was missing from her career even though she knew she had a great job many others would envy. She continued to think about what the missing “it” might be.  Finally, she revisited a goal she had considered during her youth. She had wanted to work in some capacity for the United Nations. Now she became focused on bringing that old dream to life.
    One of the partners at the litigation firm helped her out.  He had a relative who worked for the U.N. who might give her some valuable insight. What she learned was how hard it was to get a job there.  But undaunted, she applied for nearly 100 positions, none of which resulted in a job.  Still she didn’t give up.  At this point she dug in and decided to turn all her attention and focus to her U.N. goal. 
    A former classmate gave her a call and told her about a potential position she had learned of from friends working at the U.N.  Viola knew what she still needed was to find out the apparent secret to getting hired there.  She discovered through them that she hadn’t understood the recruitment system nor how to communicate what she really had to offer.  Learning this, she was able to fine tune her application and rework her resume, and in a few months she was offered a U.N. position in Dakar, Senegal. 
    Viola had recently married and had a husband to consider if and when she accepted the post.  He was supportive of her desire to work there, but she explained how being with the U.N. would mean among other things, moving frequently. There would be potentially other sacrifices too that would impact on them as a family if she followed her dream job.  They made the joint decision that Viola would try out the position and see if it was truly what she wanted. Later then they would take a more informed look before she made a firm commitment.

    • 35 min
    Legal Tech Evangelist Colin Levy Shares His Career Journey

    Legal Tech Evangelist Colin Levy Shares His Career Journey

    Colin Levy knew his strengths as an undergrad at Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut.  He was only torn as to which interest he should pursue for his degree.  He chose public policy with a concentration in economics over an English major.  During his time at Trinity College, he determined he would follow his BA with a law degree, but not immediately.  He took a year off and worked for a large New York law firm as a paralegal.  There he received some first-hand legal experience and was introduced to technology as it applied to the law profession. 
    When that year was over, he entered Boston College Law School.  As law school began, he already knew he had no interest in being a litigator.  His focus became transactions and contract law, and he aspired to work as an in-house counsel some time in his future.  At the conclusion of his law studies, he had no job lined up, so he spent the following year exploring opportunities. 
    Eventually he took a position at Update Legal, a startup, in Boston.  There he did contract review and financial audits while he advanced in his knowledge of legal technology especially. He began to recognize a new interest in how computers could facilitate the work of legal professionals.  He created a contract management and review tool in the year he was employed there.   He moved on to a few brief stints as a compliance and contract attorney while he engaged his curiosity in the technology tools that were currently used in the field.  The short duration positions he took moved Colin along from contracts administrator to contract counsel.
    In 2014 and 2015, he went to work with the Velcro Group.  As a contract counsel there, he was able to improve contractual systems and revise existing templates.  He maintained contractual records and assisted with corporate restructuring matters.  He often worked across departments, and he provided training to other employees. He frequently did research as well.  All in all, Colin experienced a broad spectrum of work that continued to refine his special interests, especially those involving applied technology.
    After a year off for some health issues, Colin returned to law and signed on at C&W Services as a temporary contract counsel during the summer of 2016.  After this short term situation ended, he became the Manager of Contract Negotiations at Pearson Education where he was the sole in-house counsel.  He found this to be a period of great growth experience where he gained many transferable skills to carry him into the future. 
    In the summer of 2018, Colin moved on to be corporate counsel for Salary.com.  For the next 2 years he was the strategic advisor to both the CEO and CFO concerning cyber security.  During this time, he expanded his own brand which he had been working on for some years.  He was becoming the “go to” person in the world of tech advice for legal professionals. 
    In May of 2020, Colin spent some time as legal counsel for Lookout, a cyber security company.  While there, he learned even more about security technology and enjoyed a supportive team.  It was at this juncture that he really expanded his own brand.  And what is that?  Colin explains to Amy about his blog, his tweets and his all-important LinkedIn posts.  As Amy notes, he’s developed quite a following as he educates and inspires about legal technology. He has become an authority as he posts every day on a variety of legal tech topics. His interactive posts afford a great networking opportunity for all who engage with him on topics surrounding technology for legal professionals. Colin defines the subject of legal technology as a set of tools that allows attorneys to perform their work more effectively and efficiently.  It encompasses a growing movement to push the legal industry into the 21st century.
    This past February, Colin became the Director of Marketing and Business Development at WordRake.  This represe

    • 29 min

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Nice work Amy and Sharon in this most recent podcast! Fascinating story and succinct advice.

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Every episode I’ve listened to serves up inspiration and wisdom. Great interviews, great guests. Congrats, Amy!

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