24 episodes

Welcome the the Future Church Podcast by Leadership Network.



Get a Front Row Seat to Leaders and Projects Shaping the Future of the Church.



The recent past has left us with more questions than answers when it comes to making disciples and multiplying the church. Will things ever get back to normal? And if so, is that a good thing?



Should we focus on online strategies, press into new forms for gathering, or hybrid models? Will church leaders need a new form of training, preparation, and funding? What about buildings, giving, staffing, technology, and planning?



With the need for the Gospel in our generation, we must not look for a silver bullet, one-size-fits-all approach. There are many expressions of the local church. Through the Future Church Podcast, we will discover and highlight new and effective ways churches can impact our world with the Gospel. Visit leadnet.org

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Welcome the the Future Church Podcast by Leadership Network.



Get a Front Row Seat to Leaders and Projects Shaping the Future of the Church.



The recent past has left us with more questions than answers when it comes to making disciples and multiplying the church. Will things ever get back to normal? And if so, is that a good thing?



Should we focus on online strategies, press into new forms for gathering, or hybrid models? Will church leaders need a new form of training, preparation, and funding? What about buildings, giving, staffing, technology, and planning?



With the need for the Gospel in our generation, we must not look for a silver bullet, one-size-fits-all approach. There are many expressions of the local church. Through the Future Church Podcast, we will discover and highlight new and effective ways churches can impact our world with the Gospel. Visit leadnet.org

    FCP 24 | Ryan Delamater

    FCP 24 | Ryan Delamater

    OCNWTR exists to help the marginalized coastal communities of the 108 countries with direct ocean access receive their drinking water from the ocean at a price point of zero with a decentralized desalination system which secures their long-term water rights. We install each ocean-based system through establishing a new local church revolving mostly around food, the Bible, the Holy Spirit & relationships. 

    In 2010, Ryan Delamater rode his bicycle over 16,000 kilometers thru 10 countries from Canada to Colombia. As he traveled, he learned that people didn’t have clean drinking water in certain parts of the world. In 2015 he adopts the village of El Palmar in El Salvador. Over the next 7 years from 2015-2022 he has taken over 200 people on 17 different trips to discover how to best solve this problem. During this time OCNWTR utilized 3 different platforms to help provide a permanent solution. They delivered point of use water buckets to over 500 homes, built a solar powered decentralized desalination system that was capable of providing 300 gallons a day & have now partnered with Source Water and their hydro panels that produce unlimited water from sunlight and air.

    They now have a water system in El Salvador along with 4 coffee shop churches in California. Each of their coffee shop churches in California take responsibility to go on a trip to install a system and begin a new OCNWTR church. This approach has enabled them to expand to Argentina, Indonesia, & Bangladesh this year.

    Listen to Episode 21 of the podcast and access the show notes below.
    Future Church Insights: 
    (1) The North American Church Planting funding model doesn’t work for areas that need water. 

    Due to economic reasons, the modern church planting model found in America doesn’t work for areas that desperately need water systems in place. So as a result, Ryan left his job at Saddleback Church to create water systems in areas that desperately need clean drinking water and while at it, also starts churches in these areas to combine the ministry with the spiritual goal. 

    (2) How state-side churches can sponsor water projects across the world.   

    Ryan and a few buddies started a church that now has led to over 20 churches that help sponsor water projects around the world. So as these churches grow, more water projects across the world can be supported and in turn, those churches can also grow both locally and globally. 

    (3) The new technology for water projects today.  

    After meeting with a Materials Scientist at MIT, Ryan found a company that makes panels that convert sunlight and air into drinking water. With a Beta Test done on a pasters house for six months, they found that this technology works incredibly for what they’re trying to do and it is way more cost-effective than doing the salinization work of cleaning the existing water in these areas.
    Goals and Desired Outcomes of The Greenhouse Network:
    They are in the process of raising capital for the various water projects they are working on right now. Each project costs $50,000 and provides continual clean water to 40-60 people in a renewable way.
    Links:
    ocnwtr.com
    Key Quotes from the episode from Joel Repic:
    “What development pathways are in the church today? I see a lot of what I do as making ministry and church planting a lot more accessible for people who love God and want to go make disciples. The world is changing, and we need a lot of innovation so that we can attract young people to pursue ministry.”

    “Churches that had a few to 40 people can be very easy to multiply as they can adopt another place in the world. They can function independently from a lot of bureaucracy and in the process, help people get clean water and living water.”

    • 27 min
    FCP 23 | David Drury, One Multichurch Network

    FCP 23 | David Drury, One Multichurch Network

    The One Multichurch Network of 40+ microchurch leaders in North America seeks to mobilize an additional 100 microchurch leaders by offering a high-energy, inspiring, training events that will draw in those interested in alternative ways of making disciples and multiply the church and launch out those who just need to take that next step to go for it.

    The One Multichurch Network is transitioning from a largely quiet and underground relational network of 40+ microchurch leaders to recruit and mobilize leaders and launch dozens more microchurches in 2022. Our approach is to build of our strengths of 1) existing relationships tended by weekly meetings, journey group coaching, and online message board, 2) our network of external training, resourcing, and mobilizing partners, 3) our existing super-simple self-directed online training, 4) our free resources to assist in launching to now build a bridge into recruiting from a much broader platform of potential microchurch leaders.

    Listen to Episode 23 of the podcast and access the show notes below.
    Future Church Insights: 
    (1) The biggest gap in ministry training right now.

    There is a great deal of in-depth training as it is for those who’ve already experienced some form of Christian ministry training already. However, there aren’t a whole lot of entry-level trainings for people that are new Christians who just wanted to reach their friends and do something that would connect with them. Typical church training is too long and complicated for most of us. To reach those in the US who won’t respond to an invitation to a public worship service, we need to simplify training to the essentials so everyone can get involved.

    (2) Why spiritual conversations aren’t happening outside of the church walls.   

    As we become more event focused in the inherited church, most people are equipped to invite to a weekend service. However, research has shown that 49% of people who would be invited to church cannot imagine themselves going even if invited. That means we’re leaving half of the people on the table and a normal church attendee doesn’t know how to adapt to that situation. But if someone was to be invited to your living room or a place like a coffee shop, those chances skyrocket.

    (3) People need options to match their style of learning.

    David and his team offer “Two Styles of Training” on their website. One is a self-paced online training, the other is an interactive online training via video conference. We’ve found that people that like one way don’t prefer the other. Sure, people could try out both, but they’re roughly the same length, and cover the same stuff. The self-paced version is particularly designed for those who would rather just roll up their sleeves right now and learn what they need to know at their own pace, not attend an event. It’s best for visual/spatial, logical, or solitary/intrapersonal learners. The live event version is particularly designed for those who need to “attend” something and participate rather than do something self-directed. It’s best for aural, verbal, or social/interpersonal learners. We thought it was key to not force everyone to go about it in the same way—and to give people options, since everyone is different.
    Goals and Desired Outcomes of The Greenhouse Network:

    Initial “lead” indicator: Exposing 1,000 unique individuals to new wineskin approaches to disciple-making and multiplication through online training events
    Tracking each of these in system for ongoing connection/options to launch
    Mobilizing 100 unique individuals into making disciples and multiplying a microchurch within their community.
    Connecting each into existing Journey Groups, free resources, and online message board
    Endgame outcome: M = 100mc + 4g3 (Movement equals 100 new microchurch starts that are 4th generation multiplications within 3 years of a 1st generation start)
    Enlist doctoral level researchers to comb our data to con

    • 36 min
    FCP 22 | Joel Repic, The Greenhouse Network

    FCP 22 | Joel Repic, The Greenhouse Network

    The Greenhouse Network is a decentralized, released, growing family of missional leaders and outposts (non-profit organizations, social impact projects, missional communities, businesses, and church plants) that exists to provide relationship between missional outposts and church plants for sharing resources, provide support for missional leaders, provide access for emerging leaders to existing social and material capital, and provide momentum for the regional multiplication of missional outposts and church plants.

    The Greenhouse Network had its beginnings in Aliquippa, Pennsylvania, a distressed community northwest of Pittsburgh along the Ohio River. The disinvestment of the steel industry in the 1980s left three generations of poverty with its attendant social challenges. In 2005, a youth development organization called Aliquippa Impact was birthed out of a 100+ year old Christian and Missionary Alliance Church called The Gospel Tabernacle that had begun to experience renewal. As that organization grew, served the community, and developed young and emerging leaders, lessons were learned about joining Jesus in mission among those experiencing poverty. Over the next decade, a family of non-profit organizations, social impact projects, missional communities, businesses, and church plants began to multiply in Aliquippa and throughout the Pittsburgh region with a special focus on post-industrial river communities. 

    This movement remained almost entirely organic until leaders in the movement formed it into The Greenhouse Network in 2018. At this time, an incubator called the Greenhouse Lab was initiated at the relational center of the Network to provide a service platform (marketing support, financial support, coaching, and training) to support network leaders, help people imagine and start missional initiatives, and provide pathways for the poor to create their own businesses.

    Listen to Episode 21 of the podcast and access the show notes below. 
    Future Church Insights: 
    (1) Joel shares how the Greenhouse Network continues to grow. 

    With so many people on their team working from a community development background, there are certain values that they will not transgress like: listening to the community, identifying the assets already present in the community, etc. As things started to grow, they found that it was important that they grew in a way that fit their values. Once they have a clearer onboarding process, Joel says that this will allow more missional leaders to participate in what God is doing through the Greenhouse Network.

    (2) Why it’s crucial that indigenous leaders lead this effort in their neighborhoods.   

    It’s important to empower leaders from each neighborhood to eventually lead and take on this development because the goal isn’t to just transport people from the outside in to solve the issue. We need people who are already in these neighborhoods to lead the efforts on fixing the communities problems and to believe that the community has the answers and the creativity for the challenges they face.

    (3) A new way to think about innovation.

    Most view innovation in the creation of a new thing, but another way to think about creativity and innovation is curation. Curating things in a new way involves integrating different things that Joel and his team have learn from other movements and people that can come together in a way that’s contextually appropriate. 
    Goals and Desired Outcomes of The Greenhouse Network:
    Their goal is to explore how denominations and existing churches might work in synergy with networks to plant more missional outposts and multiply church plants.

    In the next year, the Network (sodalic) will partner with four kinds of churches (modalic) for the purpose of piloting intentional partnerships out of which we can learn reproducible models of sodalic/modalic synergy. The Network will partner with 1) a mid-sized, established church that is already heavily engaged missi...

    • 43 min
    FCP 21 | Myron Pierce, Mission Church

    FCP 21 | Myron Pierce, Mission Church

    Our macro vision as an inner-city church is to saturate every inner city with diverse hope filled churches.

    Our missional venture, “Shift” is an entrepreneurial incubator designed to impact the inner city by shifting the mindset of the inner city into an entrepreneurial mindset. This allows us to elevate the water mark of impact in the inner city and leave a hope filled footprint in the lives of the underdog.

    2019 Beta Test
    2020 Launched
    2021 Currently going
    2022 Scale
    2025 Multiply in inner cities across North America

    Listen to Episode 21 of the podcast and access the show notes below.
    Future Church Insights:
    1. Myron shares what an entrepreneurial incubator is.

    One thing that is overwhelmingly true is that there is a cycle in inner cities of poverty, crime, and justice systems as well as structures that are designed to regurgitate the paradigm of brokenness. One of the fastest and most missional ways to do justice and make disciples is through creating an entrepreneurial incubator. If that’s a problem in the community, they will come alongside you for 16 weeks plus to help people shift into an entrepreneurial mindset. When people learn the idea of ownership, they create legacy and opportunity in their communities under the banner of unity.

    2. Why it’s important for people in a community to hear and work with people that look like them.  

    Because of Myron’s unique background and story, anytime he runs into someone who struggles with drugs, gang involvement, or other delinquent behavior, he can sympathize but also call that person to more. Since Myron overcame that life, he now shatters every justification they have for not moving forward. That’s the power of what Jesus would tell His disciples when saying to find those people of peace.

    3. The biggest obstacle facing Shift Omaha right now. 

    The mindset of members of these communities is something that will take a long time to overcome. There is an undercurrent of jealousy and hatred that is ingrained in some people’s minds where one person’s success represents a detriment to their own chances of success. In the African American communities, this response comes from generations of trauma and oppression ingrained since the inception of the country, so this isn’t entirely their fault, but nonetheless, it’s a hindrance that is holding people back from accomplishing what they want. We need to learn how to celebrate one another if we’re going to overcome this scarcity mindset about success.
    Goals and Desired Outcomes: 
    Their mission field is black and brown inner city residents ages 18-45 who have been incarcerated, poverty stricken, against the odds, and hopeless.

    Shift 10% of North Omaha into an entrepreneurial mindset 
    Launch 2,500 businesses in North Omaha by 2030
    Assimilate graduates back into our missional venture

    Links
    www.thisismission.org/shift
    Quotes from Myron Pierce:
    “You’ve heard people say, ‘Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.’ But that’s incomplete. We actually have to show them how to own the pond.”

    “A key reason that a lot of mission organizations, nonprofits, and even businesses or even those who are outside of the community don’t make the jump towards riveting scalable influence and impact is because they desire to be the people of peace rather than finding the people of peace that can get the job done in that specific community.” 

    “Are you thinking about your business 20 years out? Because if you’re not, you’re already failing. Any great upset is going to take awhile so we need to be able to have a long-term type of approach to what we’re doing.”

    • 25 min
    FCP 20 | Mark Lutz, Reaching the Gaming Community

    FCP 20 | Mark Lutz, Reaching the Gaming Community

    Our big idea is to reach the gaming community with the love and light of Jesus. Our approach is simple. Reach people where they are. Return to the core devotions of the first church. People are on their phones and computers for hours every day. Lux is a church that exits where they are.

    When we felt called to reach gamers we needed a church without borders, brick and mortar, or timber and steel. Gamers are global and we needed to be global from the start. We realize that every church has hundreds or thousands of Millennials and Gen Z within their immediate area that will never come to a physical church no matter how good the preaching, comfy the seats, or bumping the music. They can only be reached through their digital life.

    We knew we were called to start a digital church in 2019, we told our church leadership in 2020, we went through planting with Stadia and partnered with them, we established the church in the state of PA in early 2021 and held our first live service on March 24th, 2021, at: Twitch.tv/LuxDigitalChurch.

    Listen to Episode 20 of the podcast and access the show notes below.
    Future Church Insights:
    1. The gaming community is a massive harvest opportunity for churches.

    Mark found that gaming created a unique connection to a massive demographic of people who really had been shunned or outcasted by the church. These people had very little interest in the church and Mark found that he was encountered a lot of people that would rather go to Hell than step into the doors of a brick-and-mortar church. Places like Twitch and Discord consistently have over 100 million unique users every single month so it’s safe to say that there is plenty of opportunity to go around.

    2. Deep community and vulnerability forms online in digital church.

    Since March of 2021, Mark has found that even if people don’t show their faces or display their real names, every person represents a soul that is made in the image of Christ. Even despite a popular belief that online relationships lack community, Mark has found that the people that participate in his church are there day after day and week after week engaging and talking deeply about their lives.

    3. The future of church is a hybrid model of both digital and physical.

    Members of the digital church find that they want to go to physical churches after encountering Jesus in their digital space but also, members of physical churches might find more engagement and vulnerability if they also engage in a digital community as well as maintain their physical membership. We need to hold onto a both/and approach, not an either/or.
    Goals and Desired Outcomes: 
    To see a thriving, self-supporting, and multiplying church that impacts thousands of lives digitally and physically with the Good News of Jesus Christ.

    We are specifically targeting the gaming community on Twitch.tv. Twitch averages about 1.5 million unique viewers at any given time and sees about 100 million unique viewers every month. While our church is for gamers, we realize that gamers are multifaceted, and games only occupy an aspect of their lives. We desire to use gaming as an opportunity to speak into other areas of life and allow Jesus to transform every aspect of who they are.

    Begin a thriving and multiplying digital church.
    Plant micro site house churches across the globe.
    Work with Christian streamers and content creators to disciple their already dedicated fans.
    Form a church without the overhead of facilities to be extravagantly generous.
    Lead the Church (Big C) is new ways to reach the Post Millennial generations.

    Links
    www.luxdigitalchurch.com
    Quotes from Mark Lutz:
    “It is an essential biblical truth that the church is made up of God’s people, not merely the building where they gather. The digital church is an expression of this essential reality.”

    “Using digital tools, we can effectively build relationships, disciple, and care for people who live thousands of miles aw...

    • 40 min
    FCP 19 | Hugh Halter, Brave Cities

    FCP 19 | Hugh Halter, Brave Cities

    Where are we going? We’re going to talk about seeing church as a city we build within the cities we live in or what we call Brave Cities. This is an organization co-directed by Hugh Halter which is a consulting firm committed to equip, coach, and connect apostolic leaders who are building kingdom ecosystems as a new way of being church.

    A Kingdom Ecosystem is another way of describing an interconnected and interdependent network of missionary disciples, who band together to incubate good works in a specific local context. These good works include new businesses, justice works, and incarnationally focused homes that all work together so that a prospering economy and intentional community form.
    We hope the content and the spirit of Brave Cities will be what you’ve been needing and looking for and that real hope for you, your family, and your leadership will emerge.

    Listen to Episode 19 of the podcast and access the show notes below.
    Future Church Insights:
    1. Hugh shares what creates a “Brave City” church plant.

    Comprised of three essential parts, a Brave City plant is a different type of Church Plant integrates a benevolent business or business design that helps the town and creates jobs to change the atmosphere in the city. The second is incarnational, neighborhood homes which are homes for people that live in certain parts of the neighborhood who seek to better the area and create lasting positive change. The third is justice works which are things that other people are not doing that the town desperately needs done, specifically people that are on the margins or don’t have the same access as everyone else.

    2. How Brave Cities incubate good works through new businesses.  

    Hugh shares how they utilize their 501c (3) holding company to help people start businesses that strategically change the city. They provide a central administrative and legal covering for them as they seek to get started. However, good works don’t have to be Christians with an idea. They can come from non-Christians that have something they want to contribute. 

    3. The biggest obstacle facing Brave Cities right now. 

    The need to create jobs in this country has gone down over the last few years which unfortunately means job creation isn’t a top priority for a lot of businesses right now. With that being said, the most important goal right now for Brave Cities is to move people into the spiritual community who progress from business development to a community of family and friends. It is through this process that people can be discipled as we give witness to the LORD.
    Goals and Desired Outcomes: 
    They seek to redefine the way you think about the future church and your future as you consider your true passions, dreams, and visions for blessing the cities you live in. Here are the changes they seek to change in churches:

    The Theology of Church as a City on a Hill
    Promoting the 6 elements required to build a Kingdom Ecosystem
    Moving from Pastoral Leadership to Apostolic Leadership
    How To Create Multiple Buckets of Income for yourself and the Ecosystem God Forms
    Firing Your Congregation and Framing a New Community
    Providing a New Template for creating Natural Evangelistic and Prophetic Influence in Your City
    Promoting Business Not FOR Mission or IN Mission, but AS Mission

    Brave Cities would like to have 100 cities that are building Kingdom Ecosystems over the next decade.
    Links
    www.bravecities.com
    Quotes from Hugh Halter:
    “The greatest strategy for giving young people a vision for leading their own friends spiritually to guide and disciple their own friends is to call them into their own homes.” 

    “Businesses are important in this process because it’s your financial sustainability and credibility with the city, but the real ministry still has to be individual people that feel confident to guide spiritual conversation, open up the Scriptures, and have talks about life and meaningful things with people...

    • 45 min

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