Hormozi's 20-Year-Old: How to Engineer What You Want with Jay Yang | The Grateful Podcast Ep. 135

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The Grateful Podcast with Jack Wagoner guesting Jay Yang
Episode 135

Jay Yang is 20 years old. He cold-emailed his way into Beehiiv at 16. Sent a 19-page deck to Noah Kagan at 17 and became Head of Content at AppSumo. Wrote a bestseller at 19. Today he's the youngest Written Media Strategist on Alex and Leila Hormozi's media team at Acquisition.com, where he helped run the $100M Money Models launch that broke a Guinness World Record.

He didn't go through the front door for any of it. He doesn't ask for permission. And in this conversation he walked me through, for the first time on any podcast, the actual mental models he's used to engineer the last four years. The North Star question. The probability mindset. The Four Pillar Framework. The mad scientist principle. The 70/20/10 split for an entire career. The Pyrrhic Victory chapter from the second book he's writing now.

We go deep on why most 20-year-olds stay stuck even with all the information in the world, the only question to ask before you cold email anyone, the specific framework Jay used to decide between college and Hormozi, why quality is paved with quantity, and the closing line that compresses his whole thesis into one sentence.

If you're building something and you want to think more clearly about how to engineer the next decade, this one's for you.

⏱️ Chapters
00:00 — The mission
01:00 — The Cheshire Cat question (define your North Star first)
02:16 — Why we've been trained to seek permission
06:32 — The probability mindset: inputs that increase your odds
10:34 — The Four Pillar Framework (the decision that took him to Hormozi)
15:39 — Chapter two of his next book: The Pyrrhic Victory
17:21 — Leaving his twin brother for Las Vegas
26:13 — "Would you work with you?"
28:22 — Quality is paved with quantity (the mad scientist principle)
30:16 — A goals, B goals, C goals (the long game)
34:50 — Daily habits, idea compression, and the Picasso napkin
43:26 — Identity achievement and the 70/20/10 split for a career
49:08 — Where Jay is choosing to live next
52:32 — The line he wants to leave you with

🔗 Jay's Links
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayyanginspires/
Website: https://jayyanginspires.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayyanginspires/
Book: https://www.amazon.com/You-Can-Just-Things-Permissionless/dp/B0F3GPZL1C
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jayyanginspires
Twitter/X: https://x.com/Jayyanginspires

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🎙️ About Jack:
I moved to France alone at 16, started my first business at 17, and launched this podcast because I kept meeting people who had the answers to questions I didn't even know I was asking.  My philosophy: you can set massive goals while being deeply fulfilled right now. That's the duality of gratitude and ambition.

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