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The show is about learning with technology, the realities and exciting potential.
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The podcast is produced by Marc Lesser. Marc is a specialist in the fields of digital learning and youth development with broad experience designing programming and learning environments in local and national contexts. Marc recently served as Youth Studies Practitioner Fellow at City University of New York, and leads a team of researchers and technologists for NAF (National Academy Foundation).
Marc is the co-founder of Emoti-Con NYC, New York's biggest youth digital media and technology festival, and in 2012 was named a National School Boards Association “20-to-Watch” among national leaders in education and technology. Connect with Marc on Twitter @malesser, or LinkedIn.

What's with the ice cream truck in the logo? In the 80's, Richard E. Clark at University of Southern California set off a pretty epic debate based on his statement that "media are mere vehicles that deliver instruction but do not influence student achievement any more than the truck that delivers our groceries causes changes in nutrition." * So, the ice cream truck, it's a nod to Richard Clark, who frequently rings in my ear when I'm tempted to take things at face value. "Is it the method, or the medium?" I wonder.
The title, No Such Thing, has a few meanings. Mostly, it emphasizes the importance of hard questions as we develop and document the narrative of "education" in the US. For Richard E. Clark, the question is whether there's such a thing as learning from new technologies. For others, it might be whether there's a panacea for the challenges we face in this field. Whatever your question, I hope that it reminds you to keep asking--yourself, your learners, others--what's working and how so.
* Clark, R. E. (1983) Reconsidering Research on Learning From Media. Review of Educational Research 53(4) 445-459.

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No Such Thing: Education in the Digital Age Marc Lesser

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The show is about learning with technology, the realities and exciting potential.
Enjoying the show? Please take a moment to rate us, and leave a review wherever you've accessed the podcast. Find our listener survey at facebook.com/nosuchthingpodcast drop a like on the page while you're there.
The music in this podcast was produced by Leroy Tindy, a guest in episode zero. You can find him on SoundCloud at AirTindi Beats.
The podcast is produced by Marc Lesser. Marc is a specialist in the fields of digital learning and youth development with broad experience designing programming and learning environments in local and national contexts. Marc recently served as Youth Studies Practitioner Fellow at City University of New York, and leads a team of researchers and technologists for NAF (National Academy Foundation).
Marc is the co-founder of Emoti-Con NYC, New York's biggest youth digital media and technology festival, and in 2012 was named a National School Boards Association “20-to-Watch” among national leaders in education and technology. Connect with Marc on Twitter @malesser, or LinkedIn.

What's with the ice cream truck in the logo? In the 80's, Richard E. Clark at University of Southern California set off a pretty epic debate based on his statement that "media are mere vehicles that deliver instruction but do not influence student achievement any more than the truck that delivers our groceries causes changes in nutrition." * So, the ice cream truck, it's a nod to Richard Clark, who frequently rings in my ear when I'm tempted to take things at face value. "Is it the method, or the medium?" I wonder.
The title, No Such Thing, has a few meanings. Mostly, it emphasizes the importance of hard questions as we develop and document the narrative of "education" in the US. For Richard E. Clark, the question is whether there's such a thing as learning from new technologies. For others, it might be whether there's a panacea for the challenges we face in this field. Whatever your question, I hope that it reminds you to keep asking--yourself, your learners, others--what's working and how so.
* Clark, R. E. (1983) Reconsidering Research on Learning From Media. Review of Educational Research 53(4) 445-459.

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    Ethics and Artificial Intelligence

    Ethics and Artificial Intelligence

    Artificial Intelligence (AI) offers immense promise to solve some of the world's biggest problems at scale. But advances come with significant challenges that perpetuate and amplify society's underlying structural inequities. To address this challenge directly, the NYU Center for Responsible AI (R/AI) is designed to be a comprehensive applied research and tool production laboratory for accelerating responsible AI practices that arise from real world collaborations.

    Julia Stoyanovich
    Co-Founder & Director of R/AI
    Julia Stoyanovich is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at the Tandon School of Engineering, and the Center for Data Science at NYU.  She is a recipient of an NSF CAREER award and of an NSF/CRA CI Fellowship.  Julia's research focuses on responsible data management and analysis practices: on operationalizing fairness, diversity, transparency, and data protection in all stages of the data  acquisition and processing lifecycle. She established the Data, Responsibly consortium, and serveds on the New York City Automated Decision Systems Task Force (by appointment by Mayor de Blasio).  In addition to data ethics, Julia works on management and analysis of preference data, and on querying large evolving graphs.  She holds M.S. and Ph.D. degrees in Computer Science from Columbia University, and a B.S. in Computer Science and in Mathematics and Statistics from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.

    Steven Kuyan
    Co-Founder & Director of R/AI
    Managing Director, at  Future Labs
    Steven Kuyan is the director of entrepreneurship at NYU Tandon School of Engineering, co-founder/managing director of the NYU Tandon Future Labs, and co-founder/director of the NYU Center for Responsible AI. The Future Labs support entrepreneurs in technology-specific fields, such as: artificial intelligence, machine learning, augmented/virtual reality, video and virtual machines and has graduated more than 145 companies – 31 as acquisitions totaling more than $600 million – for a combined portfolio valuation of graduates exceeding $2B billion. The NYU Center for Responsible AI is a first of its kind lab designed to be a comprehensive applied research and tool production laboratory for accelerating responsible AI practices that arise from real world collaborations. Steve also oversees entrepreneurship across the campus, including programs commercializing university IP into companies, which includes dozens of success stories that have raised over $100M in venture funding, university wide curricula development, and IP collaborations amongst NYU schools.
    Resources from this episode:
    Center for Responsible AI at NYU
    Data Responsibly, Comics: "Mirror, Mirror"
    Is AI Effective If It Isn't Equitable and Responsible? from Chronicle of Higher Education
    NYU Future Labs


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    Families and "Screentime" During Covid

    Families and "Screentime" During Covid

    In this episode, I’ll be speaking to three experts on youth development and screen time who also happen to be parents. First, we’ll hear, Sascha Brodsky. He’s a science and technology journalist, who recently wrote an article for Lifewire called, “Parents Say ‘Yes’ To Screen Time During the Pandemic,” where he talked to several parents and experts - letting them vent their concerns, but also justify their decisions. 
    Two experts featured in the article are also with us for this episode. Lynette Owens, Founder & Global Director of Internet Safety for Kids and Families at Trend Micro. She dedicates a majority of her time leading workshops that educate parents and caregivers on all topics relating to children and internet use. 
    And Dr. Mimi Ito, a cultural Anthropologist and Learning Scientist at University of California Irvine, joining us once again. Her work makes her an expert on children and youth’s changing relationships to media and technology. 
    Cover Photo by ExpectGrain under Creative Commons https://www.flickr.com/photos/spedster/
    Links from this episode:
    Parents Say ‘Yes’ To Screen Time During the Pandemic, by Sascha Brodsky
    Trend Micro's Internet Safety for Kids and Families
    About Mimi Ito: https://clrn.dmlhub.net/people/mimi-ito.html
    NY Times Article: Children’s Screen Time Has Soared in the Pandemic, Alarming Parents and Researchers by Matt Richtel
    Distance Learning and Parental Mental Health During COVID-19
    Two related studies:
    https://corp.roblox.com/2020/06/62-teens-roblox-say-online-conversations-real-life-friends-top-pandemic-priority/
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.202049

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    • 54 min
    Dr. Mimi Ito

    Dr. Mimi Ito

    Dr. Mimi Ito is a cultural anthropologist, learning scientist, entrepreneur, and an advocate for connected learning—learning that is equity-oriented, centered on youth interest, and socially connected. Her work decodes digital youth culture for parents and educators, offering ways to tap interests and digital media to fuel learning that is engaging, relevant, and socially connected. She is the director of the Connected Learning Lab and Professor in Residence and John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation Chair in Digital Media and Learning at the University of California, Irvine. She is also co-founder of Connected Camps, a non-profit providing online learning experiences for kids in all walks of life. Her co-authored books include Hanging Out, Messing Around and Geeking Out: Kids Living and Learning with New Media and Affinity Online: How Connection and Shared Interest Fuel Learning and the reports, From Good Intentions to Real Outcomes: Equity by Design in Learning Technologies, and The Connected Learning Research Network: Reflections on a Decade of Engaged Scholarship.

    Links from this episode:
    Find links to all of Dr. Ito's publications on her Wikipedia page.
    Follow her on Twitter @mizuko
    About Research-Practice Partnership by Cynthia E. Coburn, Northwestern UniversityWilliam R. Penuel, University of Colorado, BoulderKimberly E. Geil, Independent Researcher
    About Dr. Michael Wesch
    Photo by Joi Ito at English Wikipedia., CC BY-SA 2.5 , via Wikimedia Commons

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    • 54 min
    Assessment, Freedom, Parody: Influential Ideas From 3 Live Recordings

    Assessment, Freedom, Parody: Influential Ideas From 3 Live Recordings

    This episode is something a little different. Like many of you, one of the ways I've been keeping sane over the past months has been nesting, both in my physical world and with respect to my work. I recently have been organizing previous episodes' audio, and in so doing, I have some ideas for ways I want to use the process to rekindle ideas that are part of my experience because of this show, and continue to motivate and encourage me as I look forward to new hope and exploration and learning that lies ahead. 
    These three segments all come from live episodes. As I've been organizing, I've been thinking about all of the ways that I'd like to use my audio to produce what I'm thinking of as a kind of mix tapes. Mix tapes were awesome in part because it was always the authors discretion about what went together. Sometimes that liberty helped build new associations, new ways of thinking because, even if you've heard the song a thousand times, it's the first you've heard it sandwiched between two others in a new way.
    Links from this episode:
    A live interview with Cathy N. Davidson
    Chris Emdin at May 2019's NYC CS4All Teachers Summit
    Live with Data & Society at Techno Cultures in the 21st Century

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    • 28 min
    Another Reality For Teaching During Covid

    Another Reality For Teaching During Covid

    My conversation today is with Jussie Kajala and Mitch Weisburgh of an AR/VR platform for education called, 3D Bear. I'm also joined by Susan Sclafani, a Library Media Specialist from Long Island, NY, who grounds our conversation in the aspects of her own practice that incorporate AR. Be sure to stick around until after Jussie and MItch, to hear my full conversation with her.
    Jussi Kajala has a Ph.D. in material physics and a degree from University of Cambridge, UK. Jussi was responsible for developing the immersive technologies industry in Finland in Tekes – the Finnish funding agency of Innovation for three years. Jussi is a visionary and spectacular project designer and manager. Jussi is responsible for 3DBear’s operations in the US. 
    Mitch Weisburgh is a world-class advisor for top-end edtech startups in the US. He is the former chairman of the Education Industry association SIIA ETIN, and founder of Edchat Interactive and Academic Business Advisors. He founded and grew two companies in the education and training field. Mitch is now making a mark on education by helping and investing into companies and non-profits to become sustainable through helping students.
    Susan Sclafani has been a Library Media Specialist with the Patchogue-Medford School Distric for 20 years. She worked with K-5 students for her first 10 years and has spent 10 years working with students in grades 6-8. She strives to bring new and innovative ideas to her students and schools. As the Lead Librarian for her district, she has tried to make sure that libraries continue to be an integral part of the educational system. She also seeks to make sure her library is not quiet.
    Links from this episode:
    3D Bear:https://www.3dbear.io/
    Susan Sclafani on Twitter: https://twitter.com/suesclafani


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    • 1 hr 29 min
    How One New Middle School Model in California Forges Ahead

    How One New Middle School Model in California Forges Ahead

    You all met Theron Cosgrave and Principal Ally Rocco in episodes 67, and 77. Since October of 2019, I’ve been following this group of educators in California’s central valley as they work to build one of the most innovative middle school models I’ve heard anything about in recent decades.
    MAD Tech characterizes some of the most important questions in education for me. Here’s just one example in my mind: What does it mean to intersect great learning design with great design for physical spaces in this age where we've learned so much about how the two can complement one another?
    In this episode we’re joined by Laura Quiroz, Dean of Curriculum, Instruction, and Assessment, to hear more about how the instructional model for MadTech has been forced to flex, and more about what they're learning in relation to the core principles of their design that they've been able to carry over in spite of COVID. 
    One of a few bright spots that the school is leveraging and that came up in our conversation is their use of VDI. We didn't get to come back to this in the conversation, though Allyson and Laura messaged me moments after it came up in our conversation to answer my question about the acronym. VDI stands for Virtual Desktop Infrastructure. I bring it up again here to ask that if you or someone you know are an expert with VDI, I'd love to hear from them on social media. Share resources you may have about case studies that have worked using VDI to extend access to software that may not run easily on a chromebook. I'll share those resources in an upcoming episode.
    Links:
    Madera Unified Schools: https://www.madera.k12.ca.us/
    Desktop Virtualization: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_virtualization

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