9 episodes

A personal journey into the heart of a global megachurch.

Noemi Uribe was looking for a church where everyone is welcome and she thought she’d found it in Hillsong. But that was ‘the most expensive mistake I ever made’. Noemi’s story turned into one of rejection, despair, and a fight for justice. Hillsong used to be home, now for Noemi ‘it’s a dumpster fire’

False Profits dives into the Hillsong experience - from Christian rock music, to celebrity pastors and famous fans - tracing its journey from humble beginnings to incredible global status and wealth, and some shocking scandals.

Through personal testimony and evidence that Hillsong never made public, we peel back the layers of a culture of submission, exploitation and discrimination.

The church says it’s changed, but will it face its past and the people who say they’ve been harmed by Hillsong? Noemi Uribe is on a journey seeking justice, and accountability.

False Profits: Hillsong iHeartPodcasts

    • Society & Culture
    • 2.9 • 79 Ratings

A personal journey into the heart of a global megachurch.

Noemi Uribe was looking for a church where everyone is welcome and she thought she’d found it in Hillsong. But that was ‘the most expensive mistake I ever made’. Noemi’s story turned into one of rejection, despair, and a fight for justice. Hillsong used to be home, now for Noemi ‘it’s a dumpster fire’

False Profits dives into the Hillsong experience - from Christian rock music, to celebrity pastors and famous fans - tracing its journey from humble beginnings to incredible global status and wealth, and some shocking scandals.

Through personal testimony and evidence that Hillsong never made public, we peel back the layers of a culture of submission, exploitation and discrimination.

The church says it’s changed, but will it face its past and the people who say they’ve been harmed by Hillsong? Noemi Uribe is on a journey seeking justice, and accountability.

    A Reckoning

    A Reckoning

    In the final episode of False Profits, Noemi asks “has Hillsong changed?” And is it ready to talk to people like Noemi and listen to their stories?

    We put our questions to the church. And Noemi enlists the advice of a leading lawyer specialising in abuse. Campaigner Ashley Easter gives advice on how to advocate for victims. And cult survivor Dr Steven Hassan explains how all of us can become better critics of religious groups. Noemi and Elle meet up again and Elle shares the inside track on Hillsong. There are some big changes and the church is keen to move on from the Brian Houston era. But will it address the issues raised in the series? And Noemi heads to Pride New York to take back control and explains why she is not quite done with Hillsong yet.

    False Profits: Hillsong is produced by Storyglass for iHeartRadio
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    • 35 min
    The Reunion

    The Reunion

    Meet the rebels: Noemi organises a renuion for ex Hillsongers. Janice Lagata, Tiffany Perez and Noemi meet up in New York - where a culture of exploitation and abuse went unchecked. Noemi, Janice and Tiffany explore the bond that has formed among people who’ve left the church and they jump into the issue of race. They say it’s women of colour who are some of the loudest critical voices because “Hillsong never thought we would speak out, because they never saw us”. The trio used podcasts and social media to ask awkward questions and call out those in power. They explore what justice looks like and wonder whether the best form of revenge could simply be finding happiness outside Hillsong?

    False Profits: Hillsong is produced by Storyglass for iHeartRadio
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    • 29 min
    The Darkest Night

    The Darkest Night

    Warning: This episode contains accounts of mental distress and suicide ideation.

    This episode takes us into the darkest time in Noemi’s Hillsong story. Increasingly isolated from the church, Noemi’s mental health reaches crisis point. One night, suicidal thoughts and torment become too much. Noemi turns to a Hillsong leader for help and exposes some potentially catastrophic ignorance about mental health.

    The intervention of a friend saves her life. Noemi starts on a process of recovery and the realisation that it’s time to leave Hillsong. But letting go turns out to be hard to do…

    False Profits: Hillsong is produced by Storyglass for iHeartRadio
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    • 32 min
    Terms and Conditions Apply

    Terms and Conditions Apply

    Warning: This episode contains descriptions of homophobia and mental distress.

    Noemi’s personal story unfolds. Remember Hillsong’s ‘Welcome Home - You Belong’ message? Noemi thought that meant everyone. But it turned out “terms and conditions applied”. Hillsong Boston where Noemi was worshipping felt cool, it felt liberal and it seemed to be inclusive. Noemi was finding their/her sexual identity. And finally it was time to share that queer identity with family and church. But Noemi doesn’t get affirmation and struggles to get answers from Hillsong. Does the church welcome gay people? The answers emerge slowly and painfully. And Noemi looks back through Hillsong’s history and discovers pain from the past is still causing trauma today.

    False Profits: Hillsong is produced by Storyglass for iHeartRadio
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    • 33 min
    The House of Houston

    The House of Houston

    Meet the man behind this global megachurch. Hillsong started small in a school hall in Australia nearly 40 years ago. In this episode we go back to Hillsong’s roots and the man who built a mega church - Brian Houston - aka ‘The Big Eagle’. For many years Brian Houston, his wife Bobbie and their kids were the Hillsong powerbase. But in March 2022 Brian steps down as leader. As the power structure crumbles, Elle Hardy heads to Sydney to explore the rise and fall of ‘House of Houston’. During the episode a bombshell drops: a whistleblower makes a series of claims about the church finances. Hillsong denies any wrong doing. But Elle finds Hillsong and its followers dealing with wave after wave of scandal.

    Thanks to Australian Broadcasting Corporation Library Sales for use of ABC news archive.

    False Profits: Hillsong is produced by Storyglass for iHeartRadio
    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    • 39 min
    Follow the Money

    Follow the Money

    You can’t talk about Hillsong without talking about money. The church is a multimillion dollar enterprise. Its followers give a lot of their time and their money. What do they get in return? Noemi shares her experience as a volunteer at Hillsong Boston. It’s a place where the elite was enjoying lavish hospitality in green rooms while volunteers worked exhausting hours. Elle Hardy analyses how volunteer labour became central to the Hillsong model. Noemi and Elle dig into allegations that nannies employed by Hillsong pastors were paid a pittance. Two members of the Hillsong “nannies club” share their stories. And Elle and Noemi call in a financial investigator to find out about Hillsong’s wealth and accountability.

    False Profits: Hillsong is produced by Storyglass for iHeartRadio
    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    • 32 min

Customer Reviews

2.9 out of 5
79 Ratings

79 Ratings

DawnsFishies ,

Promising start, never advanced beyond that.

Good “panel”, well produced. Interesting subject. The goods never really show up. The whole thing winds up being “these people are gross, here’s the references on that, and they treated me and my friends poorly”.

There’s nothing terribly new about Hillsong, nor investigations or thought into how and why.

That’s not to negate the experience of Noemi and her guests, it’s just not what I thought this podcast would be.

DrakeZeroDawn ,

Noemi shares their story beautifully

The severe lack of empathy in some of these reviews is staggering. Someone’s spiritual and religious journey is deeply personal, and organizations that exploit that do immeasurable harm to religious adherents. It’s wonderful to hear Noemi’s analysis of a church like Hillsong as well as their painful retelling of how leadership handled their own coming out.

Pastors like to think of themselves as “counselors,” but they have no mental health training. The “help” they offered Noemi was akin to the CEO of a dietary supplements company attempting to perform surgery on someone simply because they sell health-related products.

Thank you so much for sharing, Noemi. This podcast was much needed as Hillsong is not the only church led by grifters and con artists, and it’s so important that we learn from these mistakes.

Kabaudkab ,

Life and death?

You went to a Christian church, volunteered too much of your time knowing you wouldn’t be paid and they didn’t accept your gay lifestyle sooooo that means life or death? You grew up a Christian you know what the church believes, it’s not a surprise. As a grown adult, you also don’t need to volunteer so much of your time without being paid. It’s so unfortunate that you’re blaming others for your own mental struggles. As a Christian myself I would never attend a Hillsong church so I’m not saying they’re perfect by any means. But saying they should be paying your therapy bills for not paying you for your volunteered time and not accepting your gay lifestyle (clearly stated in scripture) is ridiculous. I’m not sure how this was podcast worthy.

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