When Jen Stirrup speaks, she speaks softly. The meaning of her words, however, speak loudly! Jen is CEO of Data Relish, a UK-based consultancy that delivers real business value through solving all manner of business challenges. You don't earn the nickname the Data Whisperer without knowing a great deal about Business Intelligence and AI. Jen certainly knows not only those topics, she knows SO much more!
References in this episode:
The Art Of War
Blade Runner Tears Scene
4:30 - The human element of data, Bias in data, implications of Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning, and COVID data 27:00 - The BI goal is Business Improvement, escalation and taking principled stands, Data-Driven vs Data Inspired 46:00 - Seeing the hidden costs of some business strategies, the value of even small successes, Diversity and Inclusion, and online bullying 1:29:30 - Jen's mugging story (!) Episode Transcript:
Rob Collie (00:00:00):
Hello friends. Today's guest is Jen Stirrup. Jen and I have had one of those long-running internet friendships that are so common these days, especially in the data world and in certain communities. But we've also had the opportunity to meet in person several times at those things that we used to do called "in-person physical conferences." She's an incredibly well-seasoned veteran of the data world, but if you're expecting us to be talking about things like star schema and DAX Optimization, that's not really what we talked about. You know that our tagline here is "data with the human element," and we definitely leaned into that human element in today's show. Now, we do talk about some of the important human dynamics about data projects. For example, how the business intelligence industry kind of lost its way in the past and forgot that it's all about improvement and how we're as an industry waking back up to that today.
Rob Collie (00:00:54):
We also talked about the value of having even one signature success in a large organization that other people can look at to become inspired. And she has some very interesting and well-founded semantic opinions about terms like "data-driven" and why maybe, "data-inspired" is better. Similarly, she prefers the term "data fluent" to "data literate", and she explains why. But we also touched repeatedly on the themes of ethics and inclusivity in the world of data. Now, I have a personal idea that I haven't really shared on this show before that I call "radical moderation." It's the idea that you can be polite, you can be reasonable, while at the same time advocating for sharp change. Now, this is personally what I would like to see emerge in our political sphere, for instance, a form of polite radicalism. We need to change, but we need to be nice.
Rob Collie (00:01:52):
There aren't many readily available examples that I could point to if I wanted to show you "this is what radical moderation looks like." But now if someone asked me for that, I can point them to this conversation we have with Jen. She is soft-spoken, she is polite, she is open-minded, including the open-mindedness that she might not always be correct. And yet, underneath all of that, is a very firm conviction that we need to be better. And I think that's the best introduction I can give this because I don't want to spoil anything upfront. So, let's get into it.
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Rob Collie (00:02:56):
Welcome to the show, Jen Stirrup. It is such a pleasure to see you again, virtually, talk to you. I'm really glad we were able to do this So, thrilled to have you here.
Jen Stirrup (00:03:06):
Thank you so much for havi