Better Learning Podcast Kay-Twelve

From her own school experiences to her professional career in architecture and design, Kelsey Jordan underscores the pivotal role collaboration and empathy play in shaping learning environments.
In this conversation, Kelsey Jordan, an architect specializing in educational design, discusses her school experience and career decisions. Being recognized as one of the upcoming rising stars in education, she shares her passion for equity in the built environment and leveling the playing field for all students. She highlights the need for open-mindedness and reframing questions to foster creativity and innovation.
Kelsey also discusses her future predictions and the importance of storytelling in inspiring change in education. This conversation explores the importance of reaching the average person and promoting educational stories beyond the school community.
Takeaways
Collaboration and empathy are crucial in creating better learning environments.
Designing for equity in the built environment helps level the playing field for all students.
Reframing questions as 'what if' instead of 'how' encourages creativity and innovation.
Storytelling is a powerful tool for inspiring change in education. Producing entertaining content can help reach a wider audience and promote positive messages about education.
Stories have the power to inspire change and challenge negative perceptions of schools.
De-stigmatizing special education is crucial for creating inclusive learning environments.
Networking with professionals from different industries can provide valuable insights and ideas for educational projects.
 
Kelsey Jordan is an Educational Planner and Architect who is experienced as an educational design professional with an emphasis on education and wellness. Her visions for the future of architecture involve strongly embedded ideologies on designing for equity in the built environment.
 
Follow on Kelsey Jordan on Social Media:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelseydjordan/
 
Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Find out more about Kevin at https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/.
For more episodes of the Better Learning Podcast, visit https://www.betterlearningpodcast.com/
 
Episode 173 of the Better Learning Podcast
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
 
For more information on our partners:
Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/
Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/
Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/
EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/
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School safety extends far beyond fortifying against external threats.
While it's crucial for schools to be secure environments, true safety encompasses more than just repelling intruders and weapons. A genuinely safe school fosters an atmosphere where students, staff, and teachers feel secure not only during emergencies but also in their day-to-day activities.
However, the conventional approach to school design often prioritizes security measures that result in a stark, "prison-like" atmospheres.
In our latest Better Learning Podcast episode, we dive deep into an often overlooked aspect of education: the design of school buildings. Imagine stepping into a classroom where every corner, every color, and every space is carefully crafted to nurture rather than hinder learning. Deepa Bharatkumar, an architect at Bassetti Architects, brings her 17 years of experience to the forefront as she shares insights into how the built environment impacts our educational experiences.
One of the key takeaways from the conversation is the importance of pre-design work and stakeholder engagement. Deepa emphasizes that successful school architecture projects are not just about blueprints and construction; they're about understanding the needs and experiences of the people who will inhabit these spaces.
But the journey doesn't end once the buildings are erected. Post-occupancy evaluation becomes a critical tool in identifying areas for improvement and informing future design decisions. By continuously refining our approach and sharing findings within the design community, we can pave the way for continuous improvement in education.
 
 
Takeaways
Trauma-informed design is crucial in creating safe and supportive learning environments in schools.
Pre-design work and stakeholder engagement are essential for successful school architecture projects.
Post-occupancy evaluation helps identify areas for improvement and informs future design decisions.
Sharing findings and resources within the design community can lead to continuous improvement in education.
 
 
As an architect at Bassetti Architects in Portland, Oregon, Deepa is deeply aware of how the built environment affects people. She sees educational design projects as an opportunity to serve some of the most important people Bassetti designs for – children.
As the mother of two, she places high importance on creating schools that are rewarding and enriching for their users and a landmark for the surrounding community. Over her 17 years in the profession, she has become an advocate for listening to students’ voices, in addition to teacher and district voices, to create spaces that address the needs of the individual and help to create equity within our educational environments.
 
The Bassetti Architecture Trauma-Informed Design Workbook
Bassetti Architects Website
 
 
Follow on Deepa Bharatkumar on Social Media:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deepabharatkumar/
 
 
Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
 
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Find out more about Kevin at https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/.
 
For more episodes of the Better Learning Podcast, visit https://www.betterlearningpodcast.com/
 
 
 
Episode 172 of the Better Learning Podcast
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
 
 
 
For more information on our partners:
Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/
Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/
Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/
EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/
 
Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our webs

Are standardized tests truly the gatekeepers to higher education, or are they just another hoop to jump through in academics?
In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, Kevin Stoller delves deep into this contentious topic with Shaan Patel, the mastermind behind Prep Expert. Brace yourselves for a conversation that will challenge your perceptions of education, standardized testing, and the road to success.
It's no secret that college entrance exams hold immense power over a student's future. Sean Patel knows this firsthand. Despite being a stellar student, he grappled with test anxiety and uncertainty when facing the SAT.
But here's the twist: Patel didn't accept defeat.
Instead, he went on a journey of self-discovery and relentless preparation, ultimately increasing his score an astounding 640 points to perfection. Patel's improvement wasn't just about acing a test; it was about shattering the myth that standardized testing is an insurmountable barrier for those who don't fit the mold.
This shows that the current system is flawed. Standardized testing, though intended to level the playing field, often ends up exacerbating inequalities. It's a game where the rules seem arbitrary, and victory eludes many deserving candidates.
In our conversation, Patel doesn't just critique the status quo; he offers tangible solutions. From reimagining the education system to prioritizing skills over scores, he lays out a roadmap for reform that's as inspiring as it is pragmatic.
 
Takeaways
College entrance exams play a crucial role in the college admissions process and can significantly impact a student's chances of getting into their desired university.
Education should focus not only on content but also on developing skills and traits such as self-motivation, hard work, and time management.
Standardized testing provides a merit-based framework for evaluating students and can help differentiate between individuals in a system with grade inflation.
The education system can sometimes feel like a game, with students and schools trying to navigate the rules and achieve the best outcomes. Life can be seen as a game, with individuals striving to get ahead and succeed in various areas such as business and career.
Equal opportunity is important, but making everyone equal in outcomes may not be realistic or desirable.
The education system faces challenges in balancing equity and access with the realities of the real world.
Drive, grit, and self-motivation are crucial for success, regardless of one's circumstances.
 
Learn More About Prep Expert (As Seen on Shark Tank)
 
Follow on Shaan Patel on Social Media:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaan-patel-md-mba-399bb8a4/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shaanpatel/
 
Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Find out more about Kevin at https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/.
For more episodes of the Better Learning Podcast, visit https://www.betterlearningpodcast.com/
 
Episode 171 of the Better Learning Podcast
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
 
For more information on our partners:
Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/
Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/
Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/
Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website!

In a world where traditional educational models often fall short of engaging learners, one nonprofit is harnessing the transformative potential of media and storytelling to revolutionize education. In this episode of our Better Learning podcast, Kevin Stoller delves into the innovative work of Second Class Foundation, inviting us to reimagine education through the lens of storytelling.
Second Class Foundation isn't just another nonprofit—it's a movement. By leveraging the captivating medium of storytelling, this organization is on a mission to inspire change in education. Through their groundbreaking docu-series, 'What We Show Them,' they shine a spotlight on the remarkable journey of Valley View Elementary School in Idaho. But this series isn't just about one school—it's about weaving together diverse narratives from different communities, each with its own unique challenges and triumphs. It's about sparking conversations, challenging perceptions, and ultimately, catalyzing positive change in education.
The name "Second Class Foundation" might raise eyebrows at first glance. What does it mean? Is it a commentary on the current state of education? Or perhaps a bold vision for the future? Kevin Stoller addresses these questions head-on, explaining that the name is intentionally provocative. It challenges us to confront the realities of our education system and inspires us to strive for a future where every learner is empowered to reach their full potential.
Whether it's through volunteering, making donations, spreading the word, or exploring funding options, there are countless ways to get involved. Because when it comes to reshaping the future of education, every voice matters, and every action counts.
 
Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb_otBSMzAo
 
 
Takeaways
Second Class Foundation is a nonprofit that aims to inspire change in education through media and storytelling. The docu-series 'What We Show Them' focuses on the story of Valley View Elementary School in Idaho. The series aims to intertwine stories from different communities and inspire change in education. The audience is invited to get involved by volunteering, donating, spreading the word, and connecting with funding options. Storytelling is a powerful tool for creating impactful content and inspiring change in education.  
How Can I Help Support The Second Class Foundation Mission?
 
Watch the New Docuseries What We Show Them: https://www.secondclassfoundation.org/projects
 
Follow on Second Class Foundation on Social Media:
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCone73bOwsNkIanKTuCfbNg
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/secondclassfoundation
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/secondclassfoundation
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondclassfoundation/
 
Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Find out more about Kevin at https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/.
For more episodes of the Better Learning Podcast, visit https://www.betterlearningpodcast.com/
 
Episode 170 of the Better Learning Podcast
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
 
For more information on our partners:
Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/
Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/
Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/
 
Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website!

Despite strides towards gender equality, women have long been underrepresented in educational leadership, facing systemic biases that hinder their advancement.
In this episode, School Superintendent Lisa Leali sheds light on the pervasive biases that continue to shape perceptions of women in leadership. She emphasized that while progress has been made, there is still much work to be done in dismantling the structural barriers that prevent women from ascending to positions of power and influence.
The road to leadership is often fraught with challenges, and for women, these challenges can be compounded by societal expectations and cultural norms. From implicit bias in hiring practices to the lack of representation in decision-making bodies, women face systemic hurdles at every turn.
In addition to advocating for systemic change, Lisa emphasizes the importance of mentorship and support networks for women in leadership. She believes that by lifting each other up and sharing our experiences, we can create a more supportive and empowering ecosystem for women leaders to thrive.
What actionable steps can we take to dismantle systemic biases and create more inclusive environments for women in educational leadership?
 
Takeaways
Building trust and collaboration are essential for navigating challenging situations.
Addressing achievement gaps and improving equity should be a priority in education.
Leaders should seek resources, learn from others, and create a culture of continuous improvement.
Barriers for women in leadership roles need to be addressed, and the selection process for superintendents should be reevaluated.
 
Dr. Lisa Leali has been Superintendent of Schools for Lake Bluff Elementary School District 65 since July 2020.  Dr. Leali has over 20 years of experience in public education and earned her master’s degree in Educational Leadership in 2007 from Northeastern Illinois University and her doctorate in Educational Leadership in 2010 from National-Louis University.
Her dissertation was titled “Joyful Classrooms, Successful Kids: A study in the connection between joy and learning.” Leali has served as a consultant on standards-based reporting and writing instruction for school districts in Lake and Cook Counties, has presented regionally for the Illinois Association for Curriculum Development on data and assessment and has presented nationally on the topics of instructional coaching, district leadership and superintendent evaluation.
 
Learn more about Dr. Lisa Leali:
Lake Bluff School District 65 Website: https://www.lb65.org/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-leali-she-her-hers-a2b0ab53/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/LisaLeali
 
Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Find out more about Kevin at https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/.
For more episodes of the Better Learning Podcast, visit https://www.betterlearningpodcast.com/
 
Episode 169 of the Better Learning Podcast
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
 
For more information on our partners:
Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/
Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/
Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/

Have you ever pondered the essence of education?
In a world filled with standardized curricula and rigid structures, where does true learning thrive? Gary Stager, a seasoned teacher educator, voices his frustration with the prevailing state of education. His insights, shared in a recent conversation with Kevin Stoller, delve deep into the challenges and opportunities within our educational systems.
Stager's narrative is one of disillusionment with the status quo. He laments the lack of appetite for change, noting a troubling shift towards authoritarianism and fundamentalism in schools. The upheaval caused by the COVID-19 pandemic has only exacerbated these trends, pushing education further down a path of conformity.
At its core, education should prioritize the holistic development of students. It's not merely about preparing them for college or standardized tests but about fostering empathy, social capital, and critical thinking skills.
How can we, as educators, parents, and advocates, come together to foster a more empathetic and inclusive approach to learning?
Takeaways
The current state of education is frustrating, with a lack of appetite for change and a shift towards authoritarianism and fundamentalism.
The science of reading debate oversimplifies the complex process of learning to read and fails to consider individual differences and cultural contexts.
There is a need for diverse models of education that allow students to fall in love with learning and pursue their passions.
Promoting and sharing stories of successful educational models is crucial in challenging the status quo and inspiring change. Higher education is valuable not only for personal growth but also as a statistical predictor of longevity.
The focus on college admissions has created an artificial crisis and narrowed the paths for students.
Education should prioritize creating memorable experiences and fostering social capital.
The current education system needs to shift its focus away from college and towards the holistic development of students.
True conversations about education and reevaluating goals are essential for meaningful change.
In addition to being a popular keynote speaker at some of the world’s most prestigious education conferences, Gary Stager is a journalist, teacher educator, consultant, professor, software developer, publisher, and school administrator.
An elementary teacher by training, he has taught students from preschool through doctoral studies. In 1990, Dr. Stager led professional development in the world’s first laptop schools and played a major role in the early days of online education. Gary is the founder of the Constructing Modern Knowledge summer institute for educators.
 
Learn more about Gary Stager:
Website: http://professorgarystager.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/garystager/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/garystager
Constructing Modern Knowledge: https://constructingmodernknowledge.com/
 
Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Find out more about Kevin at https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/.
For more episodes of the Better Learning Podcast, visit https://www.betterlearningpodcast.com/
 
Episode 168 of the Better Learning Podcast
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
 
For more information on our partners:
Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/
Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/
Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/