33 episodes

Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That’s true for a traffic stop, and it’s true if you want to participate in whatever’s left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it’s that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalist Liz Dye breaks down the week’s most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle. Whether it’s Texas giving two middle fingers to the Supreme Court, or Donald Trump in all the courts at once, we’ve got you covered.

Law and Chaos Liz Dye

    • Government
    • 4.5 • 190 Ratings

Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That’s true for a traffic stop, and it’s true if you want to participate in whatever’s left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it’s that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalist Liz Dye breaks down the week’s most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle. Whether it’s Texas giving two middle fingers to the Supreme Court, or Donald Trump in all the courts at once, we’ve got you covered.

    Ep 32 — SCOTUS Says Racial Gerrymanders Are Very Cool and Very Legal

    Ep 32 — SCOTUS Says Racial Gerrymanders Are Very Cool and Very Legal

    Liz and Andrew break down the latest Supreme Court horror ruling, greenlighting racial gerrymandering to all Republicans to choose their voters, and not the other way around. And then it’s off to Florida to catch up on the latest wacka**ery in the Trump stolen docs case.
     
    Links:
    Rucho v. Common Cause (2019)
    https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6090361490276671133
    Gill v. Whitford (2018)
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-1161_dc8f.pdf
    Alexander v. S.C. NAACP (2024)
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-807_3e04.pdf
    Rudy bankruptcy order denying leave to appeal
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064.230.0.pdf
    Beryl Howell’s order abrogating attorney-client privilege
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.561.4.pdf
    In re Grand Jury Proc., 142 F.3d 1416, 1428 (11th Cir. 1998)
    https://casetext.com/case/in-re-grand-jury-proceedings-57
    11 U.S. Code § 362
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/11/362
    Giuliani motion for relief from stay
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064.195.1.pdf
    Giuliani appeal schedule
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064.195.2.pdf
    Freeman/Moss opp
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064.207.0.pdf
    Giuliani Bankruptcy Order denying relief
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064.230.0.pdf
    Freeman/Moss complaint for injunctive relief
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064.218.0.pdf
     
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    • 50 min
    Ep 31 — The Trump Trials: What Are They Thinking? (Plus Clarence Thomas Surprises Us All)

    Ep 31 — The Trump Trials: What Are They Thinking? (Plus Clarence Thomas Surprises Us All)

    Trump’s lawyers make a bevy of unforced errors as their client continues to march ever closer to a conviction in New York for fraud in concealing the payoff payment to Stormy Daniels. Also, the Supreme Court surprises us, sort of, for now, by not sacking the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and by allowing a Louisiana congressional map to go into effect that doubles the minority representation in that state.
     
    Links:
    12 U.S.C. § 5481 et seq.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/12/chapter-53/subchapter-V
    CFPB Initial Report, July 18, 2011
    https://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/2011/07/Report_BuildingTheCfpb1.pdf
     
    2023 Pew Research on Payday Loans
    https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2023/06/02/payday-loans-and-overdraft-a-short-history-and-whats-next
    “How Payday Loans Work”
    https://paydayloaninfo.org/how-payday-loans-work/
    Bankrate’s Emergency Savings Report
    https://www.bankrate.com/banking/savings/emergency-savings-report/
    Alito protest flag
    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/us/justice-alito-upside-down-flag.html?smtyp=cur&smid=bsky-nytimes
    CFPB v. CFSA
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-448_o7jp.pdf
    Landry v. Callais
    Application for stay
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23A1002/309522/20240510115206439_Landry%20v.%20Callais%20-%20Emergency%20Stay%20App-FINAL.pdf
    Opp
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23A1002/309633/20240513120736126_COMBINED%20DOCUMENT.pdf
    Jackson dissent
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23a994_7mip.pdf
    New York Penal Law § 175.10
    https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-175-10
    Order on Motion in Limine to exclude Smith
    https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Just-Security-NY-2016-Election-Interference-Case-Clearinghouse-Order-on-State-of-New-York-motions-in-limine-March-18-2024.pdf
    New York Rule 6.11
    https://www.nycourts.gov/JUDGES/evidence/6-WITNESSES/6.11_Impeachment,%20when%20authorized.pdf


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    • 50 min
    Ep 30 — The Trump Trials: SLEAZE-A-PALOOZA!

    Ep 30 — The Trump Trials: SLEAZE-A-PALOOZA!

    The Trump trial in New York is racing toward the finish line, with Michael Cohen potentially the last witness. Meanwhile in DC, Steve Bannon reaches the findout on his contempt of congress charge.
     
    Links:
    US v. Navarro [Docket via Court Listener]
    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/63359365/united-states-v-navarro/ 
    2 U.S.C. § 192
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/2/192
    18 U.S.C. § 3624
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3624
    18 U.S.C. § 3632
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3632
    18 U.S.C. § 3633
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3633
    Sentencing Project on the First Step Act
    https://www.sentencingproject.org/policy-brief/the-first-step-act-ending-mass-incarceration-in-federal-prisons/
    Gov. Abbott pardons Daniel Perry immediately after Texas parole board recommendation
    https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/state/2024/05/16/daniel-perry-pardon-recommended-garrett-foster/73719220007/
    Jim Jordan Letter NYAG James
    https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/JDJ%20to%20AG%20Letitia%20James%20re%20Colangelo.pdf 
    Judiciary Subcommittee on Weaponization of Federal Government Hearing
    https://judiciary.house.gov/committee-activity/hearings/hearing-weaponization-federal-government-8 
     
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    • 1 hr 5 min
    Ep 29 — The Trump Trials: She Is The Storm

    Ep 29 — The Trump Trials: She Is The Storm

    Liz and Andrew check in on the latest hilarity from Stefanie Lambert, the Kraken alum who’s now been arrested twice for trying to overthrow the 2020 election. Then, they break down last week in Trump’s NY trial with a focus on Stormy Daniels’ testimony and what the DA’s office has left to prove.
     
    Links:
    New York Penal Law § 175.10
    https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-175-10
    Dominion v. Byrne Lambert Motion to Adjourn
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.234316/gov.uscourts.dcd.234316.98.0.pdf
    Dominion v. Byrne supplemental minute order
    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60120428/us-dominion-inc-v-byrne/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc#minute-entry-389654982
    Dominion v. Byrne Lambert supplemental filing
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.234316/gov.uscourts.dcd.234316.101.0.pdf
    Dominion v. Byrne minute order rescheduling hearing
    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60120428/us-dominion-inc-v-byrne/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc#minute-entry-389808159
    Quinta Jurecic Lawfare article on Trump NY
    https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/what-must-prosecutors-prove-in-trump-s-ny-trial
    Federal Election Campaigns Act of 1971, 52 U.S.C. § 30101 et seq.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/subtitle-III/chapter-301/subchapter-I
    FEC dismissal of Stormy Daniels inquiry (2021)
    https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Just-Security-Hush-Money-New-York-Trump-Clearinghouse-—-FEC-Michael-Cohen-et-al.-FEC-Case-Dismissal-Commissioners-Statement-of-Reasons-April-26-2021.pdf
    FEC dissent re dismissal of Stormy Daniels inquiry
    https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Just-Security-Hush-Money-New-York-Trump-Clearinghouse-—-Michael-Cohen-et-al.-FEC-Case-Dissent-from-Dismissal-Commissioners-Statement-of-Reasons-May-6-2021.pdf
    New York election law § 17-152
    https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/ELN/17-152
    People v. Taveras, 12 N.Y.3d 21 (N.Y. 2009)
    https://casetext.com/case/people-v-taveras-41

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    • 42 min
    Ep 28 — Throwing Shade on the Supreme Court (Feat. Steve Vladeck)

    Ep 28 — Throwing Shade on the Supreme Court (Feat. Steve Vladeck)

    Liz and Andrew interview law professor Steven Vladek about The Shadow Docket, what makes the Supreme Court legitimate, and how to think and talk about it in order to reform the Court for the future.
     
    Links:
    The Shadow Docket
    https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Docket-Supreme-Undermine-Republic/dp/B0BJ15Q9VZ/
    Lisa Needham on Public Notice, “The Dangerously Illiberal Judges”
    https://www.publicnotice.co/p/columbia-protests-law-clerk-trump-judges-boycott
     
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    • 1 hr 6 min
    Ep 27 — Trump Trials And Chemtrails

    Ep 27 — Trump Trials And Chemtrails

    Liz and Andrew break Justice Merchan’s contempt ruling that paves the way for Trump to spend time in lockup, then discuss the witnesses and how they did, or did not, help the prosecution build its case. Plus, Tennessee banned contrails and maybe … spray bottles? 
     
    Links:
    Second Contempt Order
    https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/DOcontempt_5-6-24FINAL.pdf 
    Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2022
    https://www.congress.gov/117/plaws/publ103/PLAW-117publ103.pdf
    2023 OSTP Geoengineering Report
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Congressionally-Mandated-Report-on-Solar-Radiation-Modification.pdf
    Tennessee HB 2063
    https://legiscan.com/TN/text/HB2063/id/2983097
    Florida SB 1084
    https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/1084
    DeSantis Statement re SB 1084
    https://www.flgov.com/2024/05/01/governor-desantis-signs-legislation-to-keep-lab-grown-meat-out-of-florida/
     
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    • 41 min

Customer Reviews

4.5 out of 5
190 Ratings

190 Ratings

guz42 ,

Sharp wit and incisive analysis

I love Liz Dye. She’s tough, smart and no-nonsense but incredibly funny at the same time. She helps me hear the political news without my anxiety about the future of our nation overwhelming me. AT has always brought out the fun in her, so I am glad to have him back. He is also very informed and incisive. No idea if AT is an a-hole or not. And I get why AG needed to stay clear of his issues regardless of whether his contrition was genuine. It would ruin her brand (btw I love AG too, not criticizing her for that decision- it was the right thing for her). But - even good people mess up, get into highly emotional polarized conflicts, and treat each other badly at times. It’s the severity of the behavior and pattern over time that counts. Sociopaths like Weinstein get no absolution, but maybe AT has earned it? I can’t know what’s in his heart, but if he did not deserve forgiveness my gut feeling is Liz wouldn’t work with him. Thus, I have no reason not to listen to a podcast that brings me great comprehension and comfort in terrifying times.

Poddcaster ,

Yes!

SO glad to have Liz and Andrew back!! Everyone makes mistakes and some are well known enough have theirs blown WAY out of proportion. Andrew was dragged through the absolute mud and through that has been contrite and come out the other side. I’m happy for him and happy for me, bc now I can listen to his genius. And good for Liz for teaming up with him in this way. If we were all judged by our worst moments alone…

5 stars again and again. Welcome back, guys!!!

The Tritone King ,

A Good Podcast… But…

The difference in audio volume between the podcast and the ads has caused me to have to change the volume multiple times during the newest episode.

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