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Leading Saints is a nonprofit organization with a mission to help Latter-day Saints (LDS, Mormon) be better prepared to lead.



Here are 4 ways Leading Saints accomplishes the above mission statement:



1. Connect Latter-day Saint Leaders



2. Enhance Leadership Ability



3. Present Leadership Scholarship & Research



4. Celebrate Divine Guidance



Podcast Host:



Kurt Francom is the founder and executive director of Leading Saints, a nonprofit organization helping Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. He manages the day-to-day efforts of Leading Saints and is the host of the podcast by the same name. Leading Saints has reached individuals internationally and has received over 2 million downloads. Kurt currently lives in Utah with his lovely wife Alanna. They are blessed to have three children. He enjoys drawing caricatures, playing basketball, reading, and watching college football. Kurt has served as a full-time missionary (California Sacramento), as a bishop, 1st counselor in a stake presidency, and elders quorum president.

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Leading Saints is a nonprofit organization with a mission to help Latter-day Saints (LDS, Mormon) be better prepared to lead.



Here are 4 ways Leading Saints accomplishes the above mission statement:



1. Connect Latter-day Saint Leaders



2. Enhance Leadership Ability



3. Present Leadership Scholarship & Research



4. Celebrate Divine Guidance



Podcast Host:



Kurt Francom is the founder and executive director of Leading Saints, a nonprofit organization helping Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. He manages the day-to-day efforts of Leading Saints and is the host of the podcast by the same name. Leading Saints has reached individuals internationally and has received over 2 million downloads. Kurt currently lives in Utah with his lovely wife Alanna. They are blessed to have three children. He enjoys drawing caricatures, playing basketball, reading, and watching college football. Kurt has served as a full-time missionary (California Sacramento), as a bishop, 1st counselor in a stake presidency, and elders quorum president.

    How I Lead as Bishop After a Faith Crisis | An Interview With Dan Conway

    How I Lead as Bishop After a Faith Crisis | An Interview With Dan Conway

    This is a re-broadcast. The episode originally ran in February 2018.

    Dan Conway is a bishop in Newcastle, in northeast England, and has also served as an elders quorum president. He served a mission to Scotland and works as a digital marketing executive. In this episode, Dan walks us through his crisis of faith prior to being called as bishop, and how that affected how he leads now.

    Episode Summary

    5:45 Mission to Scotland

    8:45 Faith crisis

    14:40 Reading and praying didn’t work as a solution

    19:20 Call as Elders Quorum president in the midst of a faith crisis

    21:50 Finding the answers to his questions

    28:30 Experience bearing his testimony of Joseph Smith

    31:15 Becoming the bishop after a faith crisis

    43:45 Understanding that people can change and become better

    46:15 First year as a bishop

    51:20 How he does ward council: short meetings every other week, then visits

    56:35 Using an agenda and PPIs

    1:01:00 Visiting people after ward council

    1:04:00 PPIs

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    Interview with Arthur Boutin

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    • 1 hr 6 min
    Solidarity Over Service | An Interview with Jana Spangler

    Solidarity Over Service | An Interview with Jana Spangler

    Jana Spangler is an Integral Professional Life Coach with Symmetry Solutions who specializes in coaching individuals and couples who are experiencing shifts in their religious belief or are affected by a loved one’s shifting belief. Her work centers around understanding faith and spiritual development and offering tools to manage the challenges of relationship, identity, spiritual growth, and spiritual connection that emerge during times of shifting faith. She currently serves as a Relief Society Compassionate Service Coordinator in her ward. Jana attended The Living School—a wisdom school run by the Center for Action & Contemplation under the direction of Fr. Richard Rohr. During this two-year program, she studied Contemplative Christianity and other Wisdom Traditions and how they can support the transforming work of love in ourselves, our communities, and the world. Jana is a frequent speaker at conferences, workshops, firesides, retreats, and on podcasts, and has lectured as a guest at BYU on issues of faith and development. She lives in Holladay, Utah with her husband and three teenage children. In this episode, Jana talks with Kurt about how church leaders can have solidarity with those they lead, and the importance of having solidarity—not just service—in the church.



    Highlights

    7:15 Everyone needs to have their own faith journey

    10:15 What is solidarity vs service?

    11:00 We love to serve but hate to be served

    12:30 When we are going through difficulties we don't want anyone to know

    13:30 What is solidarity? The move of being one with another person

    15:00 We do service more than we do solidarity

    17:45 The hierarchy of our church is a blessing and a curse

    19:00 The shame cycle with service and solidarity

    21:00 Being aware of our ego needs and how it's getting in our way of journey

    22:30 The bishop is not the only one who can facilitate solidarity

    23:00 A barrier to solidarity is someone who shows that they have everything together

    25:00 Vulnerability is not oversharing

    26:30 Jana's faith struggle and how vulnerability helped her and others

    29:30 Vulnerability can help solidarity

    31:00 Sharing with family

    32:00 Our worth is separate from worthiness

    33:30 Jesus showed us how to descend into the abyss of the difficulty of humanity

    34:00 Sometimes when things are new they are uncomfortable and that's ok

    40:00 A key to solidarity is that we can all learn from others, even other faiths

    40:30 Another pitfall is lack of mutual accountability

    42:00 It's hard to feel that we are broken and those who are listening don't share their struggles with us

    42:30 Give the people who are ministered-to a chance to serve their ministers

    44:00 Lean more into empathy than sympathy

    46:00 Getting in the hole and not fixing things for others but make others feel heard and understood

    48:30 Solidarity makes others feel heard and understood

    49:30 Don't judge people in their need

    52:00 When you really get to know another person your esteem of them only goes up

    53:30 Stop talking people out of their experiences

    54:30 Imagine that people are really doing their very best

    55:15 We don't want to be attached to weakness

    55:30 Solidarity as it relates to sin: being one with those who are sinners

    57:00 Withhold judgement of those who sin

    58:15 If you have not been through something you have no standing to have an opinion on it: just listen to them

    59:30 We do a lot of damage when we think we know better because it's working for us

    59:45 How do we create solidarity?

    1:01:00 Connecting people who have been through similar experiences

    • 1 hr 11 min
    How I Lead as Ward Mission Leader | An Interview with Liliana and Danny Bolaños

    How I Lead as Ward Mission Leader | An Interview with Liliana and Danny Bolaños

    Danny and Liliana Bolaños live in Eagle Mountain, Utah, where they serve in their Spanish-speaking ward as Ward Mission Leaders.

    Highlights

    6:50 Making sure members understand their value



    * The youth in their ward love missionary work and aren't phased by the challenges of the pandemic, and know their value as children of God and as missionaries

    * The youth are first/second-generation members of the Church and either the pioneers in their families or have direct contact with family members who are, so they have seen people progress through the faith of accepting the gospel



    11:55 The youth have unique skillsets for missionary work



    * The bishop has called many of the youth as ward missionaries in preparation for serving missions

    * They are held to a higher standard and treated as missionaries, learning to overcome any fears of sharing the gospel

    * Weekly missionary coordination meetings include all the ward missionaries and the elders quorum and Relief Society counselors over missionary work, not just the full-time missionaries and ward mission leaders



    15:30 Liliana's experience as a young convert with leaders who made sure she knew that they genuinely loved her and wanted to connect with her



    * Leaders and the youth spent a lot of time together and planned activities where they could bring friends and share the gospel in natural ways, as well as interacting with the full-time missionaries



    19:30 The youth really know how to use social media and reach people through it

    20:15 How their ward is doing missionary work during the pandemic:



    * The Latino Outreach program

    * Virtual Christmas lessons for primary kids—an activity developed by the youth to reach less-active families

    * 27:30 #BajoEstaMascara social media challenge—Idea to share testimonies that we are all children of God, via social media



    32:00 Coordinating with the full time missionaries



    * Using WhatsApp to communicate with everyone: missionaries, youth, ward missionaries



    34:50 Being a Ward Mission Leader is challenging and humbling, and has helped with trusting in Heavenly Father

    36:30 Loving people is the best way to be a missionary

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    • 39 min
    Pure Doctrines Relearned | An Interview with Fiona and Terryl Givens

    Pure Doctrines Relearned | An Interview with Fiona and Terryl Givens

    Terryl L. Givens is a Neal A. Maxwell Institute Senior Research Fellow and Fiona Givens is a member of the Institute’s research staff. Together and individually they are the authors of many books about Latter-day Saint history and culture. Their latest book, All Things New, explores the roots and flawed inheritance of our religious vocabulary and suggests healthy ways of reformulating our language. Fiona and Terryl have co-authored three other books: The God Who Weeps, The Christ Who Heals, and The Crucible of Doubt. In this podcast they discuss examining our religious vocabulary and relearning pure doctrine.

    Highlights

    3:30 About writing a book together

    4:30 Where it started: going back to the beginning and pulling together concepts from their other books; a celebratory hymn to the Restoration

    6:00 Examination of our religious vocabulary and its Protestant roots; example of repentance

    8:00 The idea of a wrathful God compared to the weeping God of Moses 7 and recuperating a theology of love

    11:45 Trying to put words and concepts together that don't fit together, creating a rift between us and God, making us feel less worthy and lovable

    14:30 The Restoration is telling a different story; example of "the fall"

    20:00 Precious doctrines are easily understood; reverting the vocabulary to a clearer definition empowers us and turns our focus outward to others

    22:45 Misreading of the earth being consumed with fire

    25:30 The tragedy of the tribalism of politics being mirrored in the church culture: the early Christians were diverse but renowned for loving each other

    29:40 Guarding against creating idols and keeping Christ front and center; not taking religious texts completely factually

    32:45 Dealing with discordance in scripture

    37:00 Recognizing our woundedness and psychological traumas; returning to the love of God

    41:30 The Book of Mormon as a bridge from the 19th century sensibilities to today

    42:50 George Q. Cannon quote

    44:20 God is our father, not our sovereign

    45:20 Mormon was a general in a war of genocide and this influenced his voice

    46:45 Christ healing a wounded world, changing hearts and minds; growth of our understanding of trauma and generational trauma

    49:50 Paradigm shift from sin to woundedness

    52:50 The rite of Atonement is a healing ritual; stuck on the concept of death rather than the miracle of healing

    55:00 "No soul will be saved in isolation": the community of Zion

    56:45 The American church and the focus on the individual; spirituality compared to religion

    58:20 Community-building and Zion-building; the baptismal covenants and the godhead

    1:01:10 Slow paradigm shift transitioning to an ability to speak of our own woundedness; authenticity in bearing testimony

    1:06:00 Going back to the Restoration church solidified a testimony of Christ

    1:07:15 Traversing the field of voices brings a familiar voice

    Links

    All Things New: Rethinking Sin, Salvation, and Everything in Between, By Terryl and Fiona Givens

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    • 1 hr 9 min
    Recognizing and Responding to the Voice of the Spirit as a Leader | An Interview with Elder Craig A. Cardon

    Recognizing and Responding to the Voice of the Spirit as a Leader | An Interview with Elder Craig A. Cardon

    Elder Craig A. Cardon served as a General Authority Seventy of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from 2006 to 2018. He served as a member of the Africa West Area Presidency and the Pacific Area Presidency, as editor of Church magazines, and in the Priesthood and Family Department. He was previously an entrepreneur with multiple business interests, and has served in many callings ranging from institute instructor to bishop, stake president, and mission president. Most recently he authored the book Growing Up Unto the Lord: Recognizing and Responding to the Voice of the Spirit, Living in Peace, and Blessing Generations. Elder Cardon and his wife Deborah live in Gilbert, Arizona and are the parents of eight children.

    Highlights

    7:45 Receiving the call to be a General Authority Seventy and preparing to serve in Africa

    12:20 Receiving the confidence to serve along with the mantle of the calling

    13:30 Training in Salt Lake City to become familiar with people and operations

    16:30 The people of West Africa have so little of what isn't important and so much of what is

    19:00 Challenges and blessings that came from the need to grow from centers of strength

    24:00 How the patient modeling of leadership has led to a new generation of members in West Africa

    26:00 How General Authority Seventy assignments are given

    27:30 The Priesthood and Family Department, their responsibilities and structure



    * 32:30 The revelatory process in the department committees and how this process can translate to local units

    * 34:30 The inspired development of Come Follow Me



    37:20 His approach to presiding at stake conferences

    41:30 A bishop's opportunity to preside over the revelatory process in ward council

    43:15 The inspiration for his book: conversion occurs within the home and the need families have to receive personal revelation

    47:15 Seeking inspiration and revelation as leaders in the church

    52:00 Receiving direction when calling leaders: the reality of revelation and the process of gathering information to identify who can serve and be blessed in the position

    57:20 His experience of a testimony meeting at a youth conference: the lesson of a strong feeling compared to bearing witness of the Savior



    * Caution of strong feelings being motivated by an unrecognized personal agenda and the potential to supercede the voices of others

    * 1:03:10 The great value of councils that can draw out the thoughts and ideas of the members, listen to each other, and let a topic rest before making a decision



    1:07:15 Help individuals seek their own revelation by asking inspired questions and teaching them to turn to the Lord

    1:09:50 "The hierarchy of heaven is amazingly flat"



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    Growing Up Unto the Lord : Recognizing and Responding to the Voice of the Spirit, Living in Peace, and Blessing Generations, by Craig A. Cardon

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    • 1 hr 14 min
    How I Lead as an Assembly of God Pastor | An Interview with David Jayne

    How I Lead as an Assembly of God Pastor | An Interview with David Jayne

    In this episode, Kurt talks with Assembly of God Pastor David Jayne, an Associate Pastor at Central Assembly of God in Springfield, Missouri. He holds a Master's degree from Assemblies of God Theological Seminary and has been a credentialed minister for over 45 years. Pastor Jayne is the congregation's Pastoral Care and Community Engagement pastor and also serves on community task forces and advisory councils.

    Highlights

    6:15 About the Central Assembly Church and the Assembly of God: a cooperative fellowship of churches



    * 10:00 Perspectives can vary but they all adhere to the core values and fundamental truths

    * At Central Assembly, a team of pastors cover different areas of the ministry in the church

    * The licensing and ordination process



    14:45 About his pastoral care and community engagement responsibilities

    19:30 Drawing out the needs from individuals



    * Learning new skills, such as monitoring social media activity

    * Meeting with people in the lobby at church

    * Distinguishing the need from the details



    25:10 Visiting at homes



    * Never knock on the door unannounced

    * Keep the visit short

    * Be sensitive to their boundaries



    31:00 Visiting the sick



    * In a hospital, assess and keep it short

    * Pray with them and for God's will

    * Monitor visiting and contact options

    * Coordinating funerals and helping with services as needed

    * Creative meeting options in a pandemic



    39:20 Working with homeless people

    42:45 Leaders are also followers and want others to share the experience of following Jesus Christ

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    • 46 min

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