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In this season of Nat Chat, Nat Eliason and guests seek to provide another path for college students and recent grads who feel the system failed them. Each week, we'll explore new aspects of college, work, independence, and how you can design a post-grad life you’re excited about, instead of one that you fall or are pushed into.

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In this season of Nat Chat, Nat Eliason and guests seek to provide another path for college students and recent grads who feel the system failed them. Each week, we'll explore new aspects of college, work, independence, and how you can design a post-grad life you’re excited about, instead of one that you fall or are pushed into.

    37: Reframing the Way You Learn and Becoming a MetaLearner with Nasos Papadopoulos

    37: Reframing the Way You Learn and Becoming a MetaLearner with Nasos Papadopoulos

    It’s the consistency over a long period of time where you really start to see the breakthrough.
    In this episode of Nat Chat, I’m joined by Nasos Papadopoulos. Nasos attended Oxford University, where after a while, realized that being on the path with finance and economics just wasn’t for him. He took a long break to travel and explore new opportunities, eventually getting into meta-learning and the science of learning. He started the site Metalearn.net where he educates other people on learning more effectively and efficiently. He also has a popular podcast and a course on the topic, all focused on helping people get better at learning.
    Nasos is an excellent guy to learn from for those wanting to learn more effectively and efficiently, stay motivated, and getting to know their learning strengths and weaknesses.
    We cover a wide range of topics, including:
    What Nasos has learned by focusing on learning how to learn The niche and lesser-known aspects of learning The fixed and growth mindsets and their impact on learning Figuring out your own learning strengths and weaknesses Applying Hebb’s Law and becoming more self and other-aware Overcoming the sunk cost of highly investing in the wrong area And much more. Please enjoy, and reach out to Nasos on Twitter!
    If you enjoyed this episode and our discussion on learning and self-education, be sure to check out my episode with Zak Slayback, and my episode with Connor Grooms, where we delve into these topics and more.
     
    Find Nasos online:
    Website [0:35] MetaLearn Twitter [49:18] Nasos’ Twitter [49:20] Mentioned in the show:
    Oxford University [0:15] Metalearn.net [0:35] MetaLearn podcast [0:48] Nat’s episode on the MetaLearn podcast [1:24] Italki [20:45] Make Me a MetaLearner course [24:47] Self-authoring Suite [25:44] 5-Minute Journal [30:45] Hebb’s Law [31:32] Python [32:58] Duolingo [34:23] Codecademy [34:24] Sesame Street [34:26] Books mentioned:
    How Will You Measure Your Life [11:12] The 4-Hour Workweek [11:50] Intelligence and How to Get It [21:17] People mentioned:
    Clayton Christensen [11:13] Tim Ferriss [11:50] Plato [12:05] Aristotle [12:06] Carol Dweck [16:53] Elon Musk [18:24] Richard Nisbett [21:15] Howard Gardner [22:49] Dr. Jordan Peterson [25:36] Scott Adams [45:32] 1:19 - Introduction to Nasos, him detailing his schooling experiences and time at Oxford University, and then rethinking his whole perspective on the educational system.
    7:30 - How Nasos’ perspective on continuing to work in the financial field changed, after barely missing a top score on one of his finals. Also, a bit on his traveling experiences and what he did after having this huge change in perspective.
    10:33 - How Nasos was paying for travel and a few of the impactful books he read shortly after leaving the financial field.
    12:18 - How and when Nasos first began his company, MetaLearn.
    13:32 - Some of the most important lessons that Nasos has learned from studying the science of learning.
    16:44 - Neuroplasticity, the growth vs the fixed mindset, and some explanations on these. Also, why the growth mindset can be harmful towards learning.
    19:30 - Using some of these techniques for improving your language learning, speculation how much of a role IQ plays, and some thoughts on intelligence in general.
    24:18 - Figuring out your own strengths and weaknesses with learning, re-evaluating yourself, and self-analyzing with external perspectives on yourself.
    28:06 - Nasos’ personal experience with self-awareness and learning that there isn’t a one-size-fits-all.
    29:50 - What Nasos has been doing to be more self-aware and other-aware.
    31:23 - Nasos detailing a few examples of learning based on making connections to past knowledge. Also, how Nasos has applied Hebb’s Law.
    34:05 - The gamification of learning (Duolingo, Codecademy, Sesame Street) and Nasos

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    36: Isaac Morehouse on How to Get Any Job You Want and Fixing Education

    36: Isaac Morehouse on How to Get Any Job You Want and Fixing Education

    When you understand what people are trying to do with a college degree, which is buying a signal that says ‘I’m worth hiring’, you realize that signal is really not that strong. And if you set your mind to it, you can create a better, more powerful signal in a much shorter amount of time and for much less money.
    In this episode of Nat Chat, I’m joined by Isaac Morehouse. Isaac’s the founder of Praxis, an alternative education system, which focuses on giving participants a lot of applicable skills and a broader understanding of subject knowledge at a self-paced rate. It also pairs participants with startups and gives them more hands-on experience with 6-month apprenticeships. Two previous Nat Chat guests, Hannah Phillips and Zak Slayback, have both had experiences with the system.
    We cover a wide range of topics, including:
    Problems with the current education system and how it negatively impacts students. Why going to college is a riskier choice for most people. Why you don’t need a degree to get jobs and careers that you’re excited about. How you can begin self-educating yourself. Challenging the status quo and dealing with pressure from peers. The mistakes that most people make when learning a skill. And much more. Please enjoy, and reach out to Isaac on Twitter!
     
    If you enjoyed this episode and our discussion on self-education, be sure to check out my episode with Zak Slayback. If want more on education and improving college, you’ll enjoy my episode with Blake Boles, as well as my episode with William Deresiewicz.  
    Find Isaac online:
    Website Praxis Twitter Mentioned in the show:
    Praxis [0:28] MailChimp [7:00] Shopify [10:09] Github [10:22] Stop Telling Good Arguers to Become Lawyers article [19:39] Quora [51:30] Praxis blog [52:45] Isaac’s website [53:13] Isaac’s books [53:20] Isaac’s podcast [53:22] Books mentioned:
    Smartcuts Shane Snow [34:42] (Nat’s Notes) The Inner Game of Tennis [44:22] (Nat’s Notes) The Future of School [54:20] People mentioned:
    Hannah Phillips [0:58] Zak Slayback [1:00] Aaron Watson [1:58] Shane Snow [34:42] 1:43 - Intro to Isaac and some information on the alternative education system Praxis.
    4:17 - Isaac’s story with developing Praxis, flaws in the college system, what makes a college degree not that valuable, and why it’s not the best usage of time and money. Also, why many people will prefer hiring people with hands-on experience compared to people with just a degree.
    10:39 - Whether or not Praxis and the self-education process works even if you’re not going into a startup or new-age company. Also, a bit on soft-skills and hard-skills, having tangible evidence of work experience, and demonstrating your abilities. “The key is the ability to demonstrate is more important than what it is that you’re demonstrating.”
    13:57 - The safety concerns with the risks associated with leaving college and not getting a degree. A bit on the societal and prestige concerns of not having a degree, as well. “That’s the safety you’re giving up. The safety of the good opinion of others. Other than that, there is no safety you’re giving up.”
    15:22 - The negative habits picked up through the college system that makes success harder for you. Also, the de-schooling process necessary for some Praxis participants and a bit more on the safety concerns regarding a degree. “Once you have anything more valuable than a degree, which can include a year of work experience, demonstrating a product, nobody asks about your degree.”
    20:05 - The social pressure of your friends making more than you, and you judging yourself negatively because of that, even if you’re enjoying what you do more. Also, the extreme benefits of having low-income as a young person and the extreme importance of opportunity-cost. “It’s amazing the number of things that you

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    35: How Vincent Nguyen Ditched College to Better Learn from Work and Mentors

    35: How Vincent Nguyen Ditched College to Better Learn from Work and Mentors

    “If you can get into a job that has a really small team where you can work closely with the founders, you learn at a much more accelerated rate than if you were working in a much larger company dealing with managers.”
    In this episode of Nat Chat, I’m joined by Vincent Nguyen. Early into his college career, he already knew that the traditional college path wasn’t for him. He started a blog on the side called Self Stairway and over the course of seven months, he began posting on publications, connecting with influencers, and eventually got the opportunity to take on an apprenticeship with the company Empire Flippers. He took the apprenticeship, dropped out of college, and moved to the Philippines. After six months of working with them, he was promoted to be their marketing director and after a while, he branched off to start his own company, Growth Ninja. He’s been doing that for over two years now and helps sites grow through Facebook advertising.
    Vincent’s a good example of the great opportunities that you can gain from getting an apprenticeship, as well as showing that you don’t necessarily need a degree to be successful.

    We cover a wide range of topics, including:
    The multiple opportunities that an apprenticeship or blog can present you Disregarding college and self-educating yourself Resources for others looking to easily get an apprenticeship Advice for others looking to get into entrepreneurial pursuits The parental concern towards those choosing to not go to college Vincent’s journey from being an apprentice to becoming a marketing director And much more. Please enjoy, and be sure to check out Vincent’s company Growth Ninja!
     If you enjoyed this episode and our discussion on entrepreneurship and bypassing college, check out my episode with Zak Slayback, where we deep dive into both of those topics and much more. If you enjoyed the discussion on apprenticeships, check out my episode with Charlie Hoehn, as well as my episode with Cory Ames.
    Find Vincent online:
    Growth Ninja Self Stairway Mentioned in the show:
    Self Stairway [0:24] Empire Flippers [0:42] Tropical MBA [1:39] Entrepreneur On Fire [10:02] Marc and Angel’s site [10:11] Vincent’s video for Empire Flippers [10:44] Zapier [13:22] Dynamite Circle [28:04] Reddit [36:49] GetApprenticeship [37:34] Jobs.dynamitecircle.com [38:00] Sumo [38:14] We Work Remotely [38:30] Remote Ok [38:31] Tropical MBA podcast [40:45] (Vincent's first and second episodes on there) Books mentioned:
    The 4-Hour Workweek [39:50] (Nat’s Notes) People mentioned:
    John Lee Dumas [10:01] John Saddington [10:04] Neil Patel [10:07] Marc and Angel [10:11] Joshua Becker [10:14] Taylor Pearson [37:36] (Taylor’s Nat Chat episode) Tim Ferriss [39:34] Ramit Sethi [40:15] Derek Halpern [40:24] 1:30 - Introduction to Vincent, a bit on his first apprenticeship, becoming a marketing director for Empire Flippers, and then leaving to start his own company.
    3:53 - Some of the internships Vincent was doing before he left for his apprenticeship at Empire Flippers.
    6:20 - A bit on Vincent’s self-improvement blog Self Stairway and some of the things that he did there.
    9:25 - Vincent detailing the video that he did which greatly helped him land the apprenticeship at Empire Flippers that eventually led to him starting his company Growth Ninja.
    14:36 - Some more on Vincent’s apprenticeship with Empire Flippers, some info on the company being based in the Philippines, and what Empire Flippers does.
    17:31 - Vincent’s transition from being an apprentice to becoming the marketing director of Empire Flippers and how he developed the skills for that role.
    19:37 - Discussion on Vincent dropping out of college and some of the concern that his parents had. Also, some general discussion on the concern that most parents have with their kids going to college.
    24:28 - W

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    34: Hacking Your Time, Habits, Productivity, and More with Sebastian Marshall

    34: Hacking Your Time, Habits, Productivity, and More with Sebastian Marshall

    If you’re spending less than an hour a day on whatever’s most important to you, that’s something you can pretty easily take up to ninety or a hundred and twenty minutes and get more than fifty to a hundred percent more on results.
    In this episode of Nat Chat, I’m joined by Sebastian Marshall. Sebastian and I delved into a lot about productivity, life and habit tracking, and developing really good systems for achieving your highest output. He’s been writing on his blog for eight years and runs a company now called Ultra Working, where he helps individuals and companies get the most out of their day-to-day systems.
    Sebastian’s a great person to learn from for those wanting to optimize their systems for high output and productivity, and to become more disciplined with their habits.
    We do get a bit in the weeds about time tracking in the beginning, so if that’s not as interesting to you feel free to skip ahead. There’s a TON here and we share a lot of interests, so we dove deep on the finer points of productivity.
    We covered a ton, including:
    The huge advantages of tracking your life, habits, and work Hacking your productivity and achieving more in less time Developing high-output systems and outlining templates for those systems Getting started with pursuing projects that you’re interested in How Sebastian and I began hacking productivity and more Minimizing boredom and benefiting from failure And much more. Please enjoy, and reach out to Sebastian on Twitter!
    If you enjoyed this episode and our discussion on productivity and time management, be sure to check out my episode with Chris Sparks, where we discuss tons of great productivity advice and more. Also, if you want to hear more about using failure to grow, check out my episode with Matthew Barby, where we discuss this and more.
    Find Sebastian online:
    Blog Ultra Working Twitter Mentioned in the show:
    Ultra Working [1:34] Rescue Time [2:46] Lights Spreadsheet [4:59] Sebastian’s resources [9:17], [25:46], and [59:24] The Strategic Review [18:10] Getting Stuff Done Like a Boss [29:50] Things app for Mac [30:19] Growth Machine [45:02] Posttraumatic growth [56:15] Key Decision Analysis [59:51] Ivan Mazour’s website [1:02:02] M/M/1 Queuing Theory [1:02:35] Ambition Life Calendar [1:05:25] Give Get Win [1:09:28] Books mentioned:
    Gateless [20:58] Sebastian’s books [29:20] The Power of Habit [39:29] (Nat’s Notes) The Willpower Instinct [39:30] (Nat’s Notes) Principles [56:35] (Nat’s Notes) People mentioned:
    Peter Drucker [20:23] “What gets measured, gets managed.” Kai Zau [20:58] Tiago Forte [29:49] Justin Mares [44:15] (Nat Chat episode with Justin) Tasha Meys [50:23] (Nat Chat episode with Tasha) Charlie Hoehn [51:28] (Nat Chat episode with Charlie) Toyotomi Hideyoshi [53:18] Ray Dalio [56:35] Ivan Mazour [59:29] 1:15 - Introduction to Sebastian and some major problems today with people not tracking their time properly or investing their time as wisely as they should.

    4:21 - What Sebastian’s current tracking system looks like after seven years of refining it, how to follow it on your own, and some advice for others looking to successfully adhere to their own system.
    13:09 - Why this tracking system works very well and some discussion on why you may feel like you’re doing well, but if you take a closer look, you’re not. A bit on your emotions fooling you.
    17:33 - Sebastian on what he tracks, how he tracks it, and what everyone else should be doing if they’re starting to track things. (You don’t have to track everything) “For a lot of juice out of life, pick the one or two activities that are really the most important to you and just track those.”
    20:30 - Some of the things that led to Sebastian and Kaizo starting Ultra Working. Also, a bit on what Ultra Working does and what their goals are.
    22:50 - Ho

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    33: Top Twenty Poker Professional to High-End Productivity Coach with Chris Sparks

    33: Top Twenty Poker Professional to High-End Productivity Coach with Chris Sparks

    Find one thing that if you did it every day, would ensure that you move forward, and then make sure that it happens every day.
    In this episode of Nat Chat, I’m joined by Chris Sparks. Chris shares his story with getting heavily involved in poker while still in college. Chris had planned to get into advertising but instead went all in with playing poker. After a year, he was living in a multi-million dollar mansion in Los Angeles up until 2011 when the US shut down online poker, seizing all of the money that he and his friends had in their exchanges. He went to London, continuing to pursue poker and travel, but soon began getting into more entrepreneurial projects. Currently, he’s now a high-end productivity coach.
    Chris is an excellent person to emulate for those wanting to become highly productive and efficient, as well as successful.
    We cover a wide range of topics, including:
    Tons of advice for those looking to be more productive and successful Chris’ story on becoming a worldwide top-twenty online poker player Becoming more efficient at learning things Chris’ advice from traveling and top-performers Building positive habits and commonly found productivity-hindering habits Chris’ personal system for improvement and productivity And much more. Please enjoy, and reach out to Chris on Twitter!
    If you enjoyed this episode and our discussion on self-education and entrepreneurship, check out my episode with Zak Slayback, as well as my episode with Connor Grooms.
     
    Find Chris online:
    Website Twitter Facebook Medium Mentioned in the show:
    The Cools [9:17] Gin rummy [14:09] Coachella [29:56] Chris’ Medium page [52:04] The Forcing Function [54:15] Books mentioned:
    Getting Things Done [48:31] The Motivation Hacker [48:35] (Nat’s Notes) So Good They Can’t Ignore You [48:40] (Nat’s Notes) People mentioned:
    Chris Moneymaker [13:45] Cal Newport [48:38] 1:30 - Intro to Chris, a bit of background on him and his story, and why he currently won’t go back to the UK.
    7:24 - Chris' time in Europe, what came next for him after getting out of the poker scene, and how he got into more entrepreneurial projects.
    9:50 - Chris detailing his two-year traveling experiences and working on his bucket list. Also, some of the major things he did while traveling and detailing some of the powerful lessons that he learned.
    12:57 - Chris’ really interesting story with poker and becoming one of the top twenty professional online poker players in the world. Also, his original career path and what made him stray away from that, eventually to consider playing poker as his full-time job.
    18:25 - Chris’ experiences in Brazil and some life-changing moments he had there.
    21:00 - How Chris learned to play poker so well, what that process looked like, and how you can emulate this to improve your own learning abilities.
    24:13 - Chris moving to LA from Detroit with some of his closest poker friends, him detailing some crazy stories from that, and then going on to live in a multi-million dollar mansion there.
    29:23 - How long Chris lived in that mansion, his experience with losing most of his net worth to the government, and his reaction to getting the news that the US banned online poker.
    31:57 - Chris’ story with learning marketing, google analytics, and getting into productivity coaching after losing most of his money
    34:26 - Some of the first things that Chris worked on with various entrepreneurs in productivity coaching.
    38:07 - Some productivity and prioritization advice from Chris to others.
    40:59 - The common bad habits that Chris notices with his clients and some more powerful productivity and positive habit forming advice. “True success comes from small improvements every day.”
    44:24 - Chris’ personal system for reflection and system improvement. Also, some tactical pieces of information and advi

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    32: Starting Your Own Media Company and Skipping College with Hannah Phillips

    32: Starting Your Own Media Company and Skipping College with Hannah Phillips

    Just work on doing things for you and developing skills while doing it.
    In this episode of Nat Chat, I’m joined by Hannah Phillips. Hannah started her own media company while still in high school which began with photography. Not long after, it quickly grew into branding and social media management, as well. By the time she was ready to go to college, she was making enough money to support herself and decided to focus on her business instead. She did end up going through Praxis, which was discussed in my episodes with Zak Slayback and Aaron Watson. Through it all, she’s been able to develop her skills in photography, media, and social media marketing, and grow this business that’s supporting her, despite her only being 20 years old.
    Hannah is an excellent person to learn from for those of you with a creative ability or for those that just want to get into something entrepreneurial.
    We cover a wide range of topics, including:
    How Hannah started and grew a successful media company How she primarily learned through self-education Getting accepted into Praxis and what the curriculum looks like there How others can pursue a similar, artistic lifestyle A couple of Hannah’s favorite books Advice for those wanting to get into entrepreneurial pursuits And much more. Please enjoy, and reach out to Hannah on Instagram!
    If you enjoyed this episode and the bits on sidestepping college and self-education, be sure to check out my episode with Zak Slayback, as well as my episode with Bekah Lundy. If you enjoyed our discussion on entrepreneurial endeavors, be sure to check out my episode with Justin Mares and my episode with Tasha Meys.
     
    Find Hannah online:
    HP Media Instagram Mentioned in the show:
    Praxis [1:34] Pittsburgh Thunderbirds [1:49] Men’s Futures of Pittsburgh [4:44] HP Media [7:02] Photoshop [8:20] Pinterest [25:33] Books mentioned:
    The War of Art [20:00] (Nat’s Notes) Impossible to Ignore [20:25] Pitch Anything [21:24] People mentioned:
    Zak Slayback [0:41] (Nat Chat episode with Zak) Aaron Watson [1:27] (Nat Chat episode with Aaron) Chris Bosh [20:28] Oren Klaff [21:25] 1:18 - Introduction to Hannah, her association with a previous podcast guest, Aaron Watson, and how she got into Praxis.
    2:15 - How Hannah got started with doing photography for the Pittsburgh Thunderbirds, a professional ultimate frisbee team.
    4:31 - Hannah’s first professional clients that she had for her photography and her thoughts on whether she’s always been interested in sports photography.
    5:34 - How long Hannah’s been professional photographing and when she started her media company. Also, Hannah speaking about when her business first started to become profitable and detailing a bit on her company’s journey.
    7:06 - The main things that Hannah focused on in the beginning of her company and detailing a bit on what she does now.
    8:01 - How Hannah learned branding, consulting, social media marketing, and other skills.
    8:47 - Hannah discussing her decision on not going to college and instead, working on her company full-time and self-educating herself.
    10:12 - How Hannah found the confidence to not go to college and be okay. Also, her experience with being homeschooled.
    12:13 - Hannah discussing her homeschooling experience a bit more, some discussion on self-directed learning, and what her education looked like in the later years. Also, advice for others looking to learn more and become more successful.
    14:26 - Whether or not Hannah did any mentoring and her experience with giving speeches. Some discussion on her journey with Praxis and the impact it had, as well.
    16:54 - What the application and qualification process for Praxis looks like, and what you have to prove. Also, what the curriculum looked like for Praxis.
    19:56 - Some of the books that Praxis required students to read and Hannah discussing

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Austin R. Gray ,

Great actionable content for entrepreneur!

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As a soon-to-be college graduate, this show has been totally binge-worthy and insightful! I love it and can't wait for future episodes.

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How we learn

Nat is an expert on how we learn. I love his blogs and podcasts on this subject. He studies how to learn new things, how to succeed.

He breaks this down into sections like what to do when you hit a wall and want to quit.

This entire subject is his niche and it is invaluable. IMO after schooling, people make a choice between learning and entertainment as their primary focus for the rest of their lives. I believe only about 10-20% choose learning. The rest don’t focus on learning, don’t read books or don’t read good books, don’t take classes, don’t read success articles.

The smaller group that focuses on learning comprise most of the very successful people, not all but most. IMO they also have a much greater chance of living a fulfilled life. As Aristotle stated, that’s life’s goal.

Well that’s where Nat focuses. We can be thankful of that.

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