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"Naylor's natter...just talking to teachers"

Podcast where my guests and I muse over the latest developments in teaching and learning , evidence and research, CPD and leadership.

I speak to teachers, leaders and experts in their fields.

Now proudly in association with the Teacher Development Trust

Any views expressed by me are mine and not necessarily those of my employers!

Naylor's Natter in association with TDT Phil Naylor

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"Naylor's natter...just talking to teachers"

Podcast where my guests and I muse over the latest developments in teaching and learning , evidence and research, CPD and leadership.

I speak to teachers, leaders and experts in their fields.

Now proudly in association with the Teacher Development Trust

Any views expressed by me are mine and not necessarily those of my employers!

    The case for an ed tech revolution with Daisy Christodoulou

    The case for an ed tech revolution with Daisy Christodoulou

    *******This week's interview was recorded some weeks ago so please bear that in mind when listening*******



    This week I am in conversation with Daisy Christodoulou . Daisy is  the Director of Education at No More Marking, a provider of online Comparative Judgement software for schools. Comparative Judgement is an innovative, reliable and quick way to assess essays. You can find out more about how it works on the No More Marking website.

    Before joining No More Marking, Daisy was Head of Assessment at Ark Schools, a group of academy schools in the UK, and before that, I was a secondary English teacher in London.

    Daisy has  written three books about education, Seven Myths about Education, Making Good Progress, and Teachers vs Tech. Find out more about them here.

    You can read more about Daisy in this profile from Schools Week and this one from the Guardian. You can contact Daisy via Twitter @daisychristo.

    We discuss:


    ch 1 - why hasn't ed tech succeeded in the way we would have liked in the past?
    * ch 2 - personalised learning - is this a good thing?
    * Ch 4 - what is flipped learning, should we all be doing it, if so why not?
    * ch 5 - what are the ups and downs of using devices to learn?
    * Ch 6 & 7 - what is so good about spaced repetition algorithms?
    Ch 7 - will robots ever take over from teachers?!
    * I'm a student / parent / teacher / SLT member and I really want to use tech to help learning - what should I do?

    We  also talk about comparative judgement and VAR



    Podcast pedagogy



    Books:

    We have a contribution from listener Natalie 



    TDT Section 



    Films:

    In lockdown, we are now looking at streamed movies . This week it is the Amazon streamed 'Blinded by the Light' 



    Music:

    I will be reviewing Dreamland by Alexis Ffrench . A much needed oasis of calm in a desert of uncertainty.



    We will be continuing with the podcast during these difficult and turbulent times. Stay safe out there listeners , we appreciate you being here!




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    • 1 hr 10 min
    Tom Sherrington on Teaching Walkthrus - book available on John Catt Bookshop

    Tom Sherrington on Teaching Walkthrus - book available on John Catt Bookshop

    This week sees the welcome return of Tom Sherrington to talk through his new book (with Oliver Caviglioli) entitled Teaching Walkthrus. Teaching Walkthrus are 5 step guides for instructional coaching.
    The natter:
    The first question is why? What are the reasons for the walkthrus?
    Secondly , what areas have you covered in the walkthru series?
    Into behaviour , how important are routines and how do the walkthrus and Oliver’s work help here?  
    With curriculum , How do you walkthru designing a knowledge rich curriculum and sequencing concepts in small steps?
    Tell listeners about how you and Oliver have drawn on the work of willingham , William, Berger and shimamura in the explanation and modelling section .
    Set out if you can , your suggested repertoire of effective questioning techniques? 
    Retrieval practice ? That’s just a quiz isn’t it ? Deliberately provocative question !
    What is mode A and mode B teaching , readers of the learning rainforest will be aware of course . How can teachers listening weave mode A and B teaching into a cohesive whole ?
     The how section includes guides on implementation. Could the book be used in an instructional coaching situation? 
     CPD cycles are mentioned , how important is it for leaders to map out cycles ?
     Tell us about your launch at rED Blackpool

    Podcast pedagogy
    We are joined by Bruce Robertson giving listeners a sneak preview of 'The Teaching Delusion' , I will be reviewing classic film 'Coach Carter' and Four Tet's Sixteen Oceans in music.

    *****Listener discount code- WALK40 to get 40% off any quantity of Walkthru's up until the end of March**********

    https://www.johncattbookshop.com/teaching-walkthrus-five-step-guides-for-instructional-coaching

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    • 53 min
    Tom Bennett on Behaviour and ResearchED

    Tom Bennett on Behaviour and ResearchED

    This week Teacher Development Trust CEO David Weston interviews Tom Bennett on behaviour, his work with the DfE on behaviour hubs, creating a culture and the mighty ResearchEd movement .

    Tom Bennett is the founder of researchED, a grass-roots organisation that raises research literacy in education. Since 2013 researchED has visited three continents and six countries, attracting thousands of followers. In 2015 he became the UK government’s school ‘Behaviour Czar’, advising on behaviour policy. He has written four books about teacher training, and in 2015 he was long listed as one of the world’s top teachers in the GEMS Global Teacher Prize. In the same year he made the Huffington Post’s ‘Top Ten Global Bloggers’ list. His online resources have been viewed over 1,200,000 times.

    Podcast Pedagogy

    Books -Teaching Walkthru's by Tom Sherrington and Oliver Caviglioli 

    Films- Onward by Disney

    Music- Dummy by Portishead 

    John Catt discount code:

    If you wish to purchase Tom Sherrington and Oliver Caviglioli's Teacher Walkthru's,  listeners  can enter code WALK40 to get 40% of an order of any quantity of Walkthrus up until the end of March.

    https://www.johncattbookshop.com/titles/teaching-walkthrus-five-step-guides-for-instructional-coaching




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    • 59 min
    Bad School Leadership with Omar Akbar (aka Teacher's Manual)

    Bad School Leadership with Omar Akbar (aka Teacher's Manual)

    This weeks I am in conversation with Omar Akbar; Teacher, Author- The Unofficial Teacher's Manual: What they don't teach you in training; Bad School Leadership (and what to do about it) .  We are nattering about  school leadership, the good and the bad! This is a very positive podcast with some great takeaways.

    The natter

    From the introduction of the book , tell us a little bit about you and your 15 years teaching across 4 schools?

      You say this book is about the mismanagement of the system , what do you mean by this and what can we do about this ? 

     You kick off the book with relationship building and Rick astley ....tell us how important relationships, empathy and communication are for leaders

     Observations can be controversial but also useful , what are your www and Ebi here ? 

     Learning walks , deception walks and urine tests . How can we ensure visits to lessons are beneficial for all ?

     Book scrutiny and deep dives , what is a secret dossier and how can leaders be more transparent? 

     Behaviour - when in doubt blame the teacher for not engaging the learners . Is this common and how do we support teachers with behaviour so they are empowered and not undermined ? 

     Meetings - what is a Botox meeting ?  

     How do we support NQTs so they end up like the one on that recruitment advert

    How important are unions and why should we stand by our unions ?   

    How does shift happen ? What can we do to achieve a new normal ?

    Let’s finish as you do with some myth busting! Share a couple with listeners ?   Where can we find out more ? 



    Useful links 



    https://theunofficialteachersmanual.blog/



    John Catt sponsorship 



    Here is a code for the first week: POD30. If listeners enter that where prompted on the SHOPPING CART page (not the CHECKOUT - people often slip up with that!), they will get 30% off any order from JohnCatt.com until the next week’s show.






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    • 47 min
    Cath Murray on Alternative Provision and John Catt sponsorship announcement! POD30.

    Cath Murray on Alternative Provision and John Catt sponsorship announcement! POD30.

    Cath Murray  now slays dragons for @csjthinktank leading on alternative provision. Content producer for @EducationFest. Formerly@SchoolsWeek&@FEWeek . We are in conversation about alternative provision and exclusions. 
    What is IntegratED?
    The IntegratED programme aims to reduce preventable school exclusions and improve the quality of alternative provision (AP) for pupils being educated outside of mainstream schools.

    Our work is broadly divided into two areas:


    Raising the profile of AP and exclusions; and
    Piloting models in schools and AP settings that prioritise whole-child development.

    Change
    The social change we want to see eventually is a reduction in the number of children excluded from schools, an increase in early remedial interventions for pupils who require them, and a greater focus on whole-child development across the school system.

    If AP is the best place for a child, we want to ensure they are given high-quality provision that helps them achieve their full potential.

    In all cases we wish to see young people graduate from secondary level to a positive tertiary destination, with sufficient skills, values, aptitudes, and capabilities to enable them to contribute to the common good.

    We are not saying that all exclusion should be stopped. We are saying:


    exclusions should be fair, and with the best interest of the child at heart; and
    if removed, children should be placed somewhere that can offer them a high-quality education that meets their needs.

    The natter 

    Firstly tell us about your career to this point and how you moved from schools week to slaying dragons!   What is integratED and which organisations are part of this coalition?   Tell us about your work for integratED and your vision for fewer exclusions and better alternative provision   The unexplained pupil exits from school published in October from the education policy institute is an important read , could you take listeners through the report and it’s key recommendations (policy, guidance etc)   The AP census is incredibly opaque as you state in the integratED blog , what constitutes AP? Why is there such huge disparity in different LAs ?   You recommend that the government should publish alongside its exclusion rates , a combined figure that accounts for all AP , tell listeners why this is important.  Is a managed move to AP better than a perm ex ?   How can we improve education for children removed from mainstream?   You are out presenting your work at conferences , where can listeners see you next ?   Could you signpost us to blog / twitter / website etc ?



    Exciting news! 

    Naylor's Natter in association with TDT is now sponsored by John Catt Edu. This means even more high quality interviews and for you the listeners , a chance to benefit with discounts on John Catt books . The sponsorship will also help move NN into America! 



    This weeks code:

    Here is a code for the first week: POD30. If listeners enter that where prompted on the SHOPPING CART page (not the CHECKOUT - people often slip up with that!), they will get 30% off any order from JohnCatt.com until the next week’s show.



    Next week:



    Omar Akbar on Bad School Leadership 






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    • 57 min
    Half-term bonanza with Emma Turner interviewing Sam Twiselton AND Jude Hunton interviewing Christine Counsell

    Half-term bonanza with Emma Turner interviewing Sam Twiselton AND Jude Hunton interviewing Christine Counsell

    In this week's extended half-term special, we have Emma Turner interviewing Sam Twiselton OBE on Early Career Framework and much more. We also have Jude Hunton 'live' from Educating Lincs which took place earlier this month.

    TDT Section

    We have Maria and David in discussion about the Education Policy Institute's new research, commissioned by Wellcome,  The effects of high-quality professional development on teachers and students is published today. The report can be found at https://epi.org.uk/document-type/report/. This review of the evidence on teacher professional development informs a wider EPI research project on CPD, also commissioned by Wellcome. The research, which is to be published later in the year, will examine the costs and benefits of a proposed policy entitling all teachers to thirty-five hours of high-quality professional development every year. 

    Podcast pedagogy section

    I look at 'Indistractable' in books by Nir Eyal, 'The Slow Rush' by Tame Impala on vinyl and 'Sonic The Hedgehog' in films.

    Next week

    Cath Murray 


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    • 1 hr 13 min

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