13 episodes

New Food Order is a podcast exploring the business of tackling our climate and social crises through food & agriculture


Through nuanced conversation and debate, we’re embarking on a learning and unlearning journey to unearth how we might design business and finance to have maximum positive impact for people and our planet.


We speak with leading farmers, entrepreneurs, execs, investors, and other stewards on key topics like:


Will plant-based, lab-grown meat, and regenerative agriculture save the world?Is carbon neutral enough?What are the most people and planet friendly business and finance models?How might we best honor and learn from indigenous communities?How might we avoid the unintended consequences of new innovation?

New Food Order is hosted is brought to you by AgFunder and Food+Tech Connect. The hosts are Danielle Gould and Louisa Burwood-Taylor.

New Food Order AgFunder & Food+Tech Connect

    • Business
    • 5.0 • 28 Ratings

New Food Order is a podcast exploring the business of tackling our climate and social crises through food & agriculture


Through nuanced conversation and debate, we’re embarking on a learning and unlearning journey to unearth how we might design business and finance to have maximum positive impact for people and our planet.


We speak with leading farmers, entrepreneurs, execs, investors, and other stewards on key topics like:


Will plant-based, lab-grown meat, and regenerative agriculture save the world?Is carbon neutral enough?What are the most people and planet friendly business and finance models?How might we best honor and learn from indigenous communities?How might we avoid the unintended consequences of new innovation?

New Food Order is hosted is brought to you by AgFunder and Food+Tech Connect. The hosts are Danielle Gould and Louisa Burwood-Taylor.

    Debating Infinite Growth on a Finite Planet with John Fullerton & Manuel Gonzalez

    Debating Infinite Growth on a Finite Planet with John Fullerton & Manuel Gonzalez

    Is exponential growth possible on a finite planet? How might we balance growth and profit with maximum social and ecological benefit?


    This is a huge topic that we’re just beginning to scratch the surface of. In today’s bonus finance episode, we share two differing viewpoints on growth from regenerative economics pioneer John Fullerton and venture capitalist Manuel Gonzalez. 


    We also include a discussion with Sara Eckhouse, executive director of Foodshot Global, about using Integrated Capital investment models that combine funding from multiple types of financial instruments to fund solutions that address social and environmental issues.


    Topics covered in this episode include:


    The failures of the current financial system and the business models within itThe potential benefits of restructuring the ownership of large multinational food companiesThe failure of the growth and efficiency principles in our current financial system to account for their impact on people and planetWhether we need to build a new system from the ground up with alternative principles and priorities to cope with our current crisesWhat those principles might beThe potential negative impacts of a model that doesn’t center growthHow Integrated Capital works and is able to develop novel ideas that could be missed by other financing structures

    John Fullerton is the founder and president of Capital Institute. He is also an active impact investor and co-founder and director of holistic ranch management company Grasslands, LLC; a director of New Day Farms, Savory Institute, and the New Economy Coalition.


    Manuel Gonzalez is General Partner at AgFunder, one of the world’s most active foodtech and agtech VC investors. Manuel was formerly the global head of innovation for Rabobank, the world’s leading food and agriculture bank, and founder of its two startup engagement platforms: FoodBytes! and Terra.


    Sara Eckhouse is Executive Director at FoodShot Global, whose mission is to empower bold ideas and innovative companies to accelerate the transformation to a healthy, sustainable, and equitable food system.


    Show notes:


    Herman Daly Interview


    Paul Polman


    Capital Institute


    AgFunder


    FoodShot Global - Precision Protein Challenge


    Donella Meadows: Limits to Growth


    Neo-Confucianism


    Karl Popper


    Albert Michelson


    S2G Ventures and ocean data


    David Deutsch: The beginning of Infinity.


    Timothy Snyder


    *Giveaway Details*


    We’ve teamed up with our partners at New Hope Network to offer ALL of our listeners an exclusive 25% off discount for an Expo West 2023 badge and ONE lucky listener will have the opportunity to win a free booth at Expo West 2024 ($8k value).


    To enter, do the following by February 17th:


    Head to New Food Order’s show page on Apple PodcastsMake sure you are subscribedLeave us a review - good or bad - but hopefully good! Scroll to the bottom of the page to do so.Screenshot the review and email it to Meg at meg@savageimpacts.com - if you’re interested in the 25% discount to this year’s Expo, please call it out in the email.  Lastly, head to newfoodorder.org - select newsletter - and register to receive our newsletters. In addition to New Food Order content, AgFunder and Food+Tech Connect publish the leading newsletters for the food and agtech community.Those who follow New Hope Network, Food + Tech Connect and AgFunder on Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn will receive double entry.

    Follow us on Linkedin: @agfunder & @foodtechconnect


    This series is sponsored by:


    New Hope Network


    New Hope Network is a media, events and business intelligence company, covering natural products trends, industry insights and marketplace data that educate the industry about key issues, like regenerative agriculture, sustainability, responsible sourcing and more. Visit newhope.com.


    FoodShot Global


    FoodShot leverages resources from investors around the world to provide non-dilutive, equity, and post-investment capacities

    • 57 min
    Investigating Alternative Business Models in Food & Ag

    Investigating Alternative Business Models in Food & Ag

    The food and agriculture industries are major contributors to today’s social and environmental crises.


    Companies across all industries are being forced to rethink the way they do business, and food and agriculture are no exception. Businesses big and small want to do better and become more resilient, but how? In this episode, we take you on a journey through a few existing and emerging alternative business models that companies and farmers are exploring today that decentralize power, distribute value more equitably across all stakeholders, and aim to have a better impact on our planet. 


    This week we explore:


    Different ways of doing business, including cooperatives, B Corps, perpetual purpose trusts, stewardship ownership, DAOs, NFTs, and open source How these models may work better than the norm for the people working withinWhy a better deal for food and agriculture employees can benefit all of usBarriers to entry to these models and how to break them downThe potential failings of emerging business models and the risk of building the wrong thing with good intentionsThe challenge of applying models that have been successful on a small scale, to large food corporationsHow Western business tactics have impacted emerging market farming communitiesBusiness model inspiration from emerging marketsHow sharing knowledge publicly can remove friction for small businessesThe appetite to fund these kinds of businesses

    Our guests include: Katherine Miller, author and founder of Table 81, formerly of the James Beard Foundation; author and regenerative business pioneer Carol Sanford; farmer and activist Jon Jandai; Adrian Rodrigues, co-founder and managing director at Provenance Capital group and formerly of Patagonia; Snaxshot founder Andrea Hernandez; and Nigel Teh, founder of Next Billion Burgers.


    *Giveaway Details*


    We’ve teamed up with our partners at New Hope Network to offer ALL of our listeners an exclusive 25% off discount for an Expo West 2023 badge and ONE lucky listener will have the opportunity to win a free booth at Expo West 2024 ($8k value).


    To enter, do the following by February 17th:


    Head to New Food Order’s show page on Apple PodcastsMake sure you are subscribedLeave us a review - good or bad - but hopefully good! Scroll to the bottom of the page to do so.Screenshot the review and email it to Meg at meg@savageimpacts.com - if you’re interested in the 25% discount to this year’s Expo, please call it out in the email.  Lastly, head to newfoodorder.org - select newsletter - and register to receive our newsletters. In addition to New Food Order content, AgFunder and Food+Tech Connect publish the leading newsletters for the food and agtech community.Those who follow New Hope Network, Food + Tech Connect and AgFunder on Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn will receive double entry.

    Show Notes:


    Zebras Unite Co-op: https://zebrasunite.coop/


    Democracy at Work Institute: https://institute.coop/


    ZingTrain: https://www.zingtrain.com/


    Purpose (steward ownership & perpetual purpose trusts): https://purpose-economy.org/en/


    Billionaire No More: Patagonia Founder Gives Away the Company: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/climate/patagonia-climate-philanthropy-chouinard.html


    What Co-ops and DAOs Can Learn From Each Other: https://www.fwb.help/editorial/what-co-ops-and-daos-can-learn-from-each-other


    Flyfish Club: https://www.flyfishclub.com/


    FriesDAO: https://fries.fund/


    Subscribe to our newsletters that track all of the business, tech, and investment trends in food: https://tinyurl.com/nfonewsletters


    Follow us on Instagram: @newfoodorderpod


    Follow us on Linkedin: @agfunder & @foodtechconnect


    This series is sponsored by Foodshot Global & New Hope Network


    And a huge thank you to everyone who helped us bring this podcast to life: 


    Production: Cam Gray, Cofruition, Anna de Wolff Evans


    Audio Editing: Tevin Sudi


    Original Music: Rodrigo Barbera 

    • 1 hr 25 min
    Finding New Ways to Finance Planet and People Friendly Food & Ag

    Finding New Ways to Finance Planet and People Friendly Food & Ag

    How do we re-design financial instruments to have maximum positive impact for people and our planet?


    Whether it’s a large multi-national and publicly listed corporation, startup or small business, or a family farmer, every business needs financing at one point or another. But the range of financing tools on the market today were not designed with the complexities of food and agriculture or social and environmental impact in mind. 


    In this episode, we speak with some food and ag investing trailblazers who are trying to create financing structures that better suit industry players, that also enable them to de-risk their loans and investments and increase the impact of their capital. 


    With our guests in this first “deep-dive” episode on New Food Order, we explore: 


    The challenges with current debt financing, venture capital, and public market models for food and agricultureUsing data and metrics to de-risk investments and ensure they have maximum positive impact for people and our planetThe returns investors can expect from ecologically friendly venturesThe challenges farmers face with the current banking system and how to fund their transition to regenerative agricultureMaking existing investment models more people and planet friendlyNew models for investing in food and agricultureBalancing growth with social and ecological impactThe rise of ESG investing and the manipulation of its standardsHow VC and Family funds can better identify forward-thinking businesses to invest inHow one group is creating a whole new asset class focused on the natural world that could potentially revolutionize the financial sector

    Our guests include: Mad Capital co-founder Phil Taylor, rePlant Capital MD Robyn O’Brien, New Epoch Capital managing director and chairman of Foodshot Victor Friedberg, co-founder of Supply Change Capital Shayna Harris, Acre Ventures partner Sam Kass, and Intrinsic Exchange Group CEO Douglas Eger.


    Links & Resources:


    Mad Agriculture: https://madagriculture.org/


    rePlant Capital: https://www.replantcapital.com/


    Supply Change Capital: https://supplychange.fund/


    Acre: https://acre.vc/


    Intrinsic Exchange Group: https://www.intrinsicexchange.com/


    Grow Well Consulting: https://www.growwellconsulting.com/


    New Epoch Capital: https://www.facebook.com/people/New-Epoch-Capital/100064220104144/






    Subscribe to our newsletters that track all of the business, tech, and investment trends in food: https://tinyurl.com/nfonewsletters


    Follow us on Instagram: @newfoodorderpod


    Follow us on Linkedin: @agfunder & @foodtechconnect


    This series is sponsored by Foodshot Global & New Hope Network


    New Hope Network


    New Hope Network is a media, events and business intelligence company, covering natural products trends, industry insights and marketplace data that educate the industry about key issues, like regenerative agriculture, sustainability, responsible sourcing and more. Visit newhope.com.


    FoodShot Global


    FoodShot leverages resources from investors around the world to provide non-dilutive, equity, and post-investment capacities to innovators. Find out more at foodshot.org.


    And a huge thank you to everyone who helped us bring this podcast to life: 


    Production: Cam Gray, Cofruition, Anna de Wolff Evans


    Audio Editing: Mercy Barno 


    Original Music: Rodrigo Barbera 


    Art: Lola Nankin


    Project Management: Patrick Carter

    • 1 hr 12 min
    New Year: New Food Order.

    New Year: New Food Order.

    Happy New Year from New Food Order!


    We are so grateful for this community and each and everyone of you who are joining us on this journey.


    Here at New Food Order, we are starting the year by reflecting on the season so far and sharing some of the exciting things we’ve got in store for 2023!


    Be sure to tune in next week for the first of our “deep-dive” episodes, and here’s to an abundant New Year for all.


    Subscribe to our newsletters that track all of the business, tech, and investment trends in food: https://tinyurl.com/nfonewsletters


    Follow us on Instagram: @newfoodorderpod


    Follow us on Linkedin: @agfunder & @foodtechconnect


    This series is sponsored by Foodshot Global & New Hope Network


    And a huge thank you to everyone who helped us bring this podcast to life: 


    Production: Cofruition, Anna de Wolff Evans


    Audio Editing: Anna de Wolff Evans


    Original Music: Rodrigo Barbera 


    Art: Lola Nankin


    Project Management: Patrick Carter

    • 7 min
    A Musical Gift from New Food Order, with Rodrigo Barberá

    A Musical Gift from New Food Order, with Rodrigo Barberá

    Happy Holidays from New Food Order! 


    This week we’re bringing you a holiday gift. So many of you have told us that you love our beautiful podcast theme music, so as a special treat we’re sharing the theme song in full with an added bonus interview with our composer, Rodrigo Barberá. 


    Rodrigo is a Mexico City-based pianist, musician, and composer, who has been composing music for film, television, and advertising for the past 30 years. We’re so honored to have collaborated with him to create the sound of this podcast.


    We hope you enjoy listening to this piece of music as much as we do!


    Wishing you and yours a happy and healthy holiday.


    Subscribe to our newsletters that track all of the business, tech, and investment trends in food: https://tinyurl.com/nfonewsletters


    Follow us on Instagram: @newfoodorderpod


    Follow us on Linkedin: @agfunder & @foodtechconnect


    This series is sponsored by Foodshot Global & New Hope Network


    And a huge thank you to everyone who helped us bring this podcast to life: 


    Production: Cofruition, Anna de Wolff Evans


    Audio Editing: Mercy Barno 


    Original Music: Rodrigo Barbera 


    Art: Lola Nankin


    Project Management: Patrick Carter

    • 9 min
    Should Food Delivery be a Public Utility? with Errol Schweizer

    Should Food Delivery be a Public Utility? with Errol Schweizer

    This week we have a mini episode featuring snippets from a recent conversation we had with Errol Schweizer, former VP of Grocery at Whole Foods, where we asked him what he sees as the top challenges with the business of food and agriculture. Errol shared many challenges with us, but we are sharing the parts of the conversation we had about short termism, corporate oligopolies, and the concentration of ownership. 


    Errol has over 25 years of experience in the food industry, from grill cook and stock clerk to V.P. of Grocery at Whole Foods from 2009-2016. He has extensively developed plant-based, organic, non-GMO, and regenerative meat and dairy supply chains and production standards. Supermarket News has recognized Errol with a retail game-changer award and he received a Lifetime Achievement Award from Hemp Industries Association. Since 2016, he has been a board member, co-founder and advisor to over two dozen food retail and CPG enterprises. He is active in municipal food policy and healthy food access. Errol is a Forbes contributor and is the host of The Checkout Podcast. 


    In this primer episode, we’ll be talking about:


    Oligopolies in the food and agriculture industryShort termism and its impact on public and private companiesErrol’s ideas about common and public ownership of food delivery - with some heated debate between Danielle and Louisa!And be sure to stay tuned to the end of the episode for a little bonus! 

    Episode Resources:


    ESOP (Employee Stock Ownership Plan) https://www.esop.org/


    Subscribe to our newsletters that track all of the business, tech, and investment trends in food: https://tinyurl.com/nfonewsletters


    Follow us on Instagram: @newfoodorderpod


    Follow us on Linkedin: @agfunder & @foodtechconnect


    This series is sponsored by Foodshot Global & New Hope Network


    New Hope Network


    New Hope Network is a media, events and business intelligence company, covering natural products trends, industry insights and marketplace data that educate the industry about key issues, like regenerative agriculture, sustainability, responsible sourcing and more. Visit newhope.com.


    FoodShot Global


    FoodShot leverages resources from investors around the world to provide non-dilutive, equity, and post-investment capacities to innovators. Find out more at foodshot.org.


    New Food Order is brought to you by AgFunder and Food+Tech Connect. Visit agfunder.com and foodtechconnect.com to find out more.


    And a huge thank you to everyone who helped us bring this podcast to life: 


    Production: Cofruition, Anna de Wolff, Pamela Rothenberg 


    Audio Editing: Mercy Barno & Tevin Sudi


    Original Music: Rodrigo Barbera 


    Art: Lola Nankin & Rekai E. Campbell 


    Project Management: Patrick Carter

    • 29 min

Customer Reviews

5.0 out of 5
28 Ratings

28 Ratings

ibll8 ,

Sustainable focused podcast

Regenerative agriculture and insight into how to become a leader in the space is important to understand to build a more resilient food ecosystem. This podcast keeps leaders up to date with the rapidly evolving industry. Highly recommend business leaders and even consumers to subscribe.

JoSid123 ,

Great podcast

So excited for the team to venture out into podcasting! Great content and such an important topic as it affects every aspect of consumer and businesses.

gkrivera ,

Very insightful for health/wellness/foodie enthusiasts alike!

Danielle and Louisa have done a fantastic job creating a platform for those in the food innovation industry to discuss very relevant and crucial climate/social issues via food and agriculture. As your typical foodie and health/wellness enthusiast interested in learning about society’s new food revolution, this podcast provides excellent and insightful content that I love sharing with my colleagues. I am excited to see what’s in store for future episodes.

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