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Dedicated to equipping the next generation of nonprofit leaders. This will be accomplished by interviewing people whose business, nonprofit and life experiences might be valuable on an emerging leader. When we use the term leader, we are referring to organizational and Board leadership.

Next Gen Nonprofit Leadership with Tommy Thomas Tommy Thomas

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Dedicated to equipping the next generation of nonprofit leaders. This will be accomplished by interviewing people whose business, nonprofit and life experiences might be valuable on an emerging leader. When we use the term leader, we are referring to organizational and Board leadership.

    Harry Kunze & Dan DuPee - Lessons on Board Development - the Courage to Change

    Harry Kunze & Dan DuPee - Lessons on Board Development - the Courage to Change

    My guests today are Harry Kunze and Dan DuPee. These men have a long-standing board relationship with the Coalition for Christian Outreach. Dan is a former President of the CCO and most recently served as Interim President. Harry has a longstanding board relationship. 
    I've gotten to know these two men over the past year as our firm has helped them with their President search. And it was through this work with the CCO that I thought their story of board development and revitalization was something worth passing on to the next generation of nonprofit leaders.
    Thanks again for listening to the Next Gen Nonprofit Leadership With Tommy Thomas podcast. If you're listening to an app that lets you leave a review, please do so. Many of our listeners come to us on the recommendation of a friend or a colleague. If you've heard something today worth passing on, please share the show with others. 
    Enjoy!
     
    Time Stamps [1:57] – Dan PuPee gives us a brief understanding of the mission and vision of CCO, and we learn what drew Harry Kunze to the CCO.
    [3:57] – Dan reveals what brought him to the CCO.
    [5:14] – We hear a little context for the history of the board of directors from Dan.
    [7:10] – Harry shares an alternative perspective about the board of directors.
    [8:18] – What size board did Dan and Harry have in the beginning?
    [9:09] – This is what caused Harry and Dan to rethink boardsmanship at the CCO. 
    [11:25] – Harry recalls the benchmarking they did to form a perspective on how the board ought to operate.
    [13:38] – We learn what Dan and Harry landed on for an ideal size of their board.
    [14:40] – How did Harry and Dan decide to have a governance committee? 
    [16:42] – What does the committee structure look like today?
    [19:52] – The conversation shifts to term limits.
    [22:00] –This is how the surplus responded to the downsizing of the board. 
    [22:56] – Dan discusses the term of the Board Chair.
    [24:04] – These are the words and phrases that describe the best Board Chair Dan and Harry have ever observed.
    [26:39] – Dan responds to a quote about having a pleasant irritant on the board.
    [29:38] – Harry segues to a Pittsburgh-based board and ponders how to get regional diversity.
    [31:45] – Tommy wraps up the conversation. 
     
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    • 33 min
    Matt Lucas - His Journey from Higher Education to Our Daily Bread

    Matt Lucas - His Journey from Higher Education to Our Daily Bread

    Our guest today is Dr. Matt Lucas. Dr. Lucas enjoyed a high-impact career in higher education prior to becoming the president and CEO of Our Daily Bread. 
    Prior to being named as Our Daily Bread’s new CEO, Matt served most recently as Chancellor at Indiana Wesleyan University-National & Global, and as Provost and Executive Vice President at Corban University from 2008 to 2017. 
    After nearly 20 years of working in higher education, Dr. Matt had been considering a change in his career, whether that looked like becoming an executive pastor or some other form of ministry.
    When Our Daily Bread first asked if he would be interested in the position, Matt saw the opportunity as a way of God clarifying his steps, but he still did not think becoming the CEO of such an established organization would be his next opportunity.
    I hope you enjoy my conversation with Matt as we discuss what led to his transition to Our Daily Bread, his experience of being second in command and the CEO, facing the fork in the metaphorical road, and the challenges he overcame along the way.
    Thanks again for listening to the Next Gen Nonprofit Leadership With Tommy Thomas podcast. If you're listening to an app that lets you leave a review, please do so. Many of our listeners come to us on the recommendation of a friend or a colleague. If you've heard something today worth passing on, please share the show with others. 
    Enjoy!
     
    Time Stamps [1:35] – We’re introduced to our guest, Dr. Matt Lucas, and learn what led to the decision to move from the classroom to administration.
    [4:19] – What was the thread that kept Matt going as he moved up the administrative ladder? 
    [6:20] – The transition to Our Daily Bread. 
    [8:44] – This is what Matt believes was in the mindset of Our Daily Bread’s leadership to give a chance to someone from the outside to lead the ministry.
    [11:20] – We hear how Rick’s taking a backseat and deferring to Matt was a testament to Rick’s humility and character.  
    [12:55] – This is what the CEO / Board Chair relationship looks like for Dr. Matt.
    [15:52] – These are the different competencies Matt has used in the office of the President and while being the second in charge. 
    [17:52] – Dr. Matt reveals what he asks others serving the office of the President.
    [19:10] – What does delegation look like in Matt’s life? 
    [21:14] – Dr. Matt explains how he’s not a detail person, so this is what it looks like delegating detail-oriented tasks to detail-oriented people.
    [22:43] – We learn about the lessons Matt has learned about authenticity throughout his career.
    [24:26] – This is how transparency applies to authenticity, according to Matt. 
    [26:55] – Matt discusses the impact of a book he read called Dangerous Calling, by Paul David.
    [27:37] – What would Matt do-over in his career?
    [29:31] – What does Matt wish someone told him earlier in his career? 
    [31:09] – We hear the advice Matt would give to someone mid-career who might be facing a fork in the road.
     
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    • 34 min
    Cheryl Self & Les Kline: Major Gift Fundraising Part 2

    Cheryl Self & Les Kline: Major Gift Fundraising Part 2

    Today, I’m continuing my conversation with Cheryl Self and Les Kline.
    Our topic for discussion today is major gift fundraising.  Cheryl and Les have spent their careers in the field of major gifts and both rose through the ranks from Major Gift Officer to Chief Development Officer.
    Thanks again for listening to the Next Gen Nonprofit Leadership With Tommy Thomas podcast. If you're listening to an app that lets you leave a review, please do so. Many of our listeners come to us on the recommendation of a friend or a colleague. If you've heard something today worth passing on, please share the show with others. 
    Enjoy!
     
    Time Stamps [1:18] – What are some words and phrases that describe a good Chief Development Officer? Les shares his thoughts.
    [4:19] – Cheryl elaborates on Les’ answer on what defines a good Chief Development Officer.
    [5:52] – The value of encouragement. 
    [6:42] – This is the trick to managing geographically diverse teams.
    [9:27] – Cheryl explains what goes through her mind when giving someone a second chance.
    [11:31] – We hear an example of a time Cheryl wasn’t able to give someone a second chance and opted to cut ties instead. 
    [14:06] – This is what comes to mind when Cheryl thinks of the most effective team she led.
    [17:45] – How does Les spend a long career at two organizations without getting recruited away?
    [20:30] – We learn what ultimately pulled Les from World Vision to Wycliffe. 
    [21:31] – Cheryl reveals how she knew it was time to leave World Vision.
    [23:45] – These are some of the long-term relationships that have ended well.
    [26:33] – Closing conversations, in Cheryl’s experience, shouldn’t yield any surprises or shocks.
    [29:44] – The greatest gratification is to have a donor thank the organization for giving them the opportunity to make a difference.
    [30:56] – What counsel would Les and Cheryl give to the next generation of nonprofit leaders?
    [33:50] – Tommy concludes the conversation.
     
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    • 35 min
    Cheryl Self & Les Kline: Major Gift Fundraising Part 1

    Cheryl Self & Les Kline: Major Gift Fundraising Part 1

    People who aren't in fundraising are always asking me, “How does somebody become a fundraiser?” Most people don't go to college to become one, and I don't know many people who had that as a career aspiration during their teen years.
    Our topic for discussion today is major gift fundraising. 
    The amount of the gift that defines a major gift varies from organization to organization. I'm currently working with a client who defines a major gift as any gift that exceeds $12,000 in a calendar year. And just yesterday, I was speaking with a Major Gift Officer at a prominent east coast teaching hospital. Their definition of a major gift is a single gift in excess of $100,000 in one year.
    However the major gift is defined, a strong major gifts program is critical to the success and sustainability of any nonprofit organization.
    Our guests today are Cheryl Self and Les Kline. Cheryl and Les have spent their careers in the field of major gifts and both rose through the ranks from Major Gift Officer to Chief Development Officer.
    Thanks again for listening to the Next Gen Nonprofit Leadership With Tommy Thomas podcast. If you're listening to an app that lets you leave a review, please do so. Many of our listeners come to us on the recommendation of a friend or a colleague. If you've heard something today worth passing on, please share the show with others. 
    Enjoy!
     
    Time Stamps [2:09] – We’re introduced to Les Kline and Cheryl Self, and we learn how they ended up in the fundraising profession.
    [3:52] – Les reveals his first encounter with fundraising. 
    [5:17] – This is what Les and Cheryl each remember about Les hiring Cheryl back at World Vision. 
    [7:14] – Cheryl shares a story about her first meeting with Les in Orlando.
    [9:59] – What does Cheryl look for when hiring a development rep? 
    [12:34] – We hear why many fundraisers fail, according to Les. 
    [14:18] – Cheryl’s take on failures in fundraising.
    [15:22] – What does good training look like between the CDO and the new hire? 
    [18:45] – These are the critical aspects of relationship building. 
    [21:31] – An appropriate sense of humor every now and again is important.
    [24:38] – Les adds one more thing in regards to the role of a CEO on donor calls. 
    [25:37] – Tommy concludes the conversation. 
     
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    • 26 min
    Brodie Croyle - My Dad's Greatest Gift to Me was the Freedom to Fail

    Brodie Croyle - My Dad's Greatest Gift to Me was the Freedom to Fail

    If you missed last week's podcast, you're joining us in the middle of a conversation with Brodie Croyle, the President, and CEO of Big Oak Ranch.  
    This is a part of the series, The Coaches In My Life, where I interview men and women who've excelled in athletics with the hope of discovering what good coaches do to bring out the best in their athletes.  
    I believe a lot of the aspects of teamwork in athletics are transferable to teamwork in a nonprofit setting. Let's pick up the conversation where we left off last week. 
    Thanks again for listening to the Next Gen Nonprofit Leadership With Tommy Thomas podcast. If you're listening to an app that lets you leave a review, please do so. Many of our listeners come to us on the recommendation of a friend or a colleague. If you've heard something today worth passing on, please share the show with others. 
    Enjoy!
     
    Time Stamps [1:45] – What would Brodie’s team say is the most difficult thing about working for him?
    [3:30] – Brodies discusses how important it is for our values to never waiver.
    [4:24] – We learn what Brodie’s team would say is the best part about working for him.
    [5:05] – Brodie’s stance on giving someone a second chance. 
    [8:11] – This has been the toughest part about following his dad’s leadership, in Brodie’s opinion.
    [9:55] – What was the biggest transition that Brodie found in learning to report to a board?
    [12:00] – We hear what Brodie has sought in his own board. 
    [13:12] – Brodie shares a story about the extent of his fundraising before he was CEO and the greatest lesson he ever learned about it.
    [15:30] – These are the types of risk conversations Brodie’s board has been having. 
    [18:29] – We learn the mental process Brodie goes through when dealing with risk.
    [20:20] – What lessons does Brodie wish someone told him early on in his life about leadership?  
    [22:10] – Brodie reveals what we would tell those following in his footsteps just starting out in their own careers.
     
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    • 24 min
    Brodie Croyle - The Coaches in My Life

    Brodie Croyle - The Coaches in My Life

    I believe a lot of aspects of teamwork in athletics are transferable to teamwork in the nonprofit sector.
    Our guest today is Brodie Croyle, the President and CEO of Big Oak Ranch.  Brodie is a native of Gadsden, Alabama, he played quarterback at the University of Alabama, and then went on to play professionally with the Kansas City Chiefs.  
    Brodie is our second guest in a series that I'm calling The Coaches in My Life where I interview men and women who have excelled in athletics with the hope of discovering what good coaches can do to bring out the best in their athletes. 
    Thanks again for listening to the Next Gen Nonprofit Leadership With Tommy Thomas podcast. If you're listening to an app that lets you leave a review, please do so. Many of our listeners come to us on the recommendation of a friend or a colleague. If you've heard something today worth passing on, please share the show with others. 
    Enjoy!
     
    Time Stamps [1:44] – We’re introduced to Brodie Croyle and learn about Big Oak Ranch.
    [3:20] – Brodie shares a story about how he told his dad about his vision for the future. 
    [5:00] – Brodie discusses what he and his team believe a real family means to them. 
    [8:05] – This is how we can learn about Planning Oaks. 
    [8:27] – These are the formative experiences that led Brodie to the path he’s on today.
    [10:39] – Brodie reveals his “Jesus story.”
    [13:19] – The shift in Brodie’s life came when he was reading his playbook and his wife was reading hers.
    [15:45] – We learn why Brodie was willing to dedicate his life to giving kids a better life.
    [17:49] –Which coaches got the most out of Brodie?
    [19:56] – Is there a difference in the way the pros coached Brodie versus the coaches at Alabama?
    [20:44] – Thinking back to all of the teams Brodie played on, we hear what teams he believes were the best.
    [22:41] – The decision to retire from the NFL.
    [25:16] – We’re taken through the thought process of why leadership at Big Oak was right for Brodie.
    [28:39] – Tommy wraps up the conversation.



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    • 30 min

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One of my favorite podcasts!

I had the pleasure of connecting with Tommy about six months ago and was introduced to this podcast through him. I know I’ll find myself looking forward to when these are released at the first thing I listen to. The insights from the leaders he features are so applicable, encouraging, and real.

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