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A podcast where Mike Williams and Nathan Jacobs stumble over the ideas that cause them trouble, challenging wrongness wherever it lives, especially in themselves. Such stumblings include language, theology, economics, and personal relationships.

Not As Wrong Mike Williams and Nathan Jacobs

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A podcast where Mike Williams and Nathan Jacobs stumble over the ideas that cause them trouble, challenging wrongness wherever it lives, especially in themselves. Such stumblings include language, theology, economics, and personal relationships.

    Episode 6: Self Observation

    Episode 6: Self Observation

    Nathan sometimes has difficulty returning calls. In this episode, he tries thinking about what he's thinking in addition to talking about what he is saying.


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    Mindfulness - Wikipedia

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    Episode 5: Avoidance

    Episode 5: Avoidance

    Mike tries to call Nathan back, but ends up leaving a message. He needs some advice on how to avoid avoidance, especially in situations where there’s a language barrier.


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    Episode 4: Carelessness

    Episode 4: Carelessness

    In a new format, Nathan leaves a message for Mike briefly discussing how he has been wrong about carefulness this past week.


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    Episode 3: Racism Revisited

    Episode 3: Racism Revisited

    Mike and Nathan follow up on comments from Episode 1 The Whitest of White Privilege. The discussion includes admiration for listeners who have adopted children, general frustrations with sociology, and a challenge to break down divisions in our personal lives.


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    William Julius Wilson, The Declining Significance of Race: Revisited & RevisedWilliam Julius Wilson Revisiting Arguments Advanced in the Declining Significance of RaceWhite Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntoshWritten in Black & White Exploring Confirmation Bias in Racialized Perceptions of Writing SkillsFrame 394: Toronto Man Entangles Himself In Police-Involved Shooting | Oscar for Documentary ShortGRAPHIC: St Louis police officer shoots Kajieme PowellWhite Fragility by Robin DiAngelo

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    Episode 2: Economics, Fairness, and Harm

    Episode 2: Economics, Fairness, and Harm

    Nathan has been struggling with two to incorporate ideas from economics into his understanding a fairness. How much should the consequences matter when deciding what is just? What are the appropriate property rights for individuals and for groups? How many cheap philosophical terms can Nathan and Mike throw in?


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    The Nature of the Firm - Coase - 1937 - Economica - Wiley Online LibraryThe Problem of Social Cost - Ronald Coase (1960)Dakota Access Pipeline - Wikipedia

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    Episode 1: The Whitest of White Privilege

    Episode 1: The Whitest of White Privilege

    In this premiere episode of Not As Wrong, Mike brings up a concept to Nathan that he's struggling with as a white person. That topic: White Privilege. What are the right and wrong ways to think about it? What are the challenges for both sides of the argument? And how can all of us, regardless of race, be not as wrong?


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    Black-White Differences in Intergenerational Economic Mobility in the US - Federal Reserve Bank of ChicagoUnpacking the Napsack (and other White Privilege Papers) 1989 Peggy Wilson Written in Black & White Exploring Confirmation Bias in Racialized Perceptions of Writing SkillsThe Souls of Black Folk by W.E.B. De Bois - WikipediaThe Declining Significance of Race by William Julius WilsonFrame 394 - Documentary about cellphone footage proving police coverup in a shooting, but there's a twist.White Fragility by Dr. Robin DiAngelo - YouTubeWhite Fragility by Robin DiAngeloEn Vogue - Free Your Mind (Official Video) - YouTube

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Customer Reviews

BenChuOvier ,

Good to be challenged

You should always have the right to change your mind. And listening to all sides of a story helps you decide what you want to stand for.

NathanJacobs ,

I Learn a Lot, but I am Biased

I have learned so much through this podcast, but I am also one of the hosts. Both of us are often wrong about things and that is evident in these episodes. Questions are asked from a genuine place of wanting to learn and as a result we get closer to the truth we seek.

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