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The NOT REAL ART podcast celebrates creative culture and the artists who make it. NOT REAL ART is fresh, fun and inspiring. It contains material not suitable for pretentious art snobs. Guests include the world-class artists, designers and creatives who drive the $2T creative economy.

NOT REAL ART is hosted by L.A. based art world insiders Man One and Sourdough who bring their devil-may-care attitude to discussing their mutual love — and hate — for the contemporary art world, creative culture, and everything in between.

If you're an an arts professional or creative culture enthusiast, NOT REAL ART is for you!

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The NOT REAL ART podcast celebrates creative culture and the artists who make it. NOT REAL ART is fresh, fun and inspiring. It contains material not suitable for pretentious art snobs. Guests include the world-class artists, designers and creatives who drive the $2T creative economy.

NOT REAL ART is hosted by L.A. based art world insiders Man One and Sourdough who bring their devil-may-care attitude to discussing their mutual love — and hate — for the contemporary art world, creative culture, and everything in between.

If you're an an arts professional or creative culture enthusiast, NOT REAL ART is for you!

    Logan Hicks Shares His Art World Horror Story

    Logan Hicks Shares His Art World Horror Story

    No artist wants to end up having a horror story of an experience with a gallery, so it is important that certain measures are taken to avoid this possibility. Today on the show we are back with another art world horror story, this time with New York-based stencil artist and muralist, Logan Hicks. Logan joins us to share not just one but two nightmares he recently endured. He also dishes out some sage advice about what artists can do to ensure that they don’t go through something similar. First, we hear about how Salt Bae breached a contract he had with Logan and ended up using the artist’s work for the marketing surrounding several of his restaurants. Next up, Logan talks about how the Station 16 gallery destroyed $35 000 worth of his paintings and is now refusing to compensate him. We hear about how Logan is fighting back against the Montreal-based gallery by using a combination of a lawsuit and a social media campaign, both of which are still underway. The main point Logan makes on today’s show is that if you want to be a professional artist, then certain business practices need to be understood and implemented in order for you to stand any chance of crossing the finish line intact. Logan is far from small fry, so if these things can happen to an artist as accomplished as him, they can happen to you too. Tune in to hear the value of contracts, copyrighting, and lawyering up, on today’s show.
    For more info, please visit: https://notrealart.com/logan-hicks

    • 51 min
    Albert Cleophus Willis: 2021 Not Real Art Grant Winner

    Albert Cleophus Willis: 2021 Not Real Art Grant Winner

    Welcome to the final installment of our interview series with the 2021 NRA grant winners! Albert Willis, AKA ‘Cleophus’, has actually been on the show before, but now he is a grant winner, so he is back again to share more about his creative process, thoughts on the art world, and approach to being a professional artist. Albert makes what he calls “shadow art”; beautifully intricate and complex pieces where 3D word sculptures become canvases overlaid with hyperrealistic portraiture. We talk about the dichotomy between high and so-called low art and why Albert sees himself as more of an artisan than a fine artist in the snobbish sense of the word. Albert speaks about his love of mathematics and geometry and shares the thought process behind the works he makes today. We get into the business of art and hear about how Albert’s background as a graphic designer and illustrator informs the way he charges for his work. Our conversation also touches on how cryptocurrency is forging a new art industry that could shift money away from institutions and back into the hands of artists. So for a conversation holding as much complexity as one of Alberts's great pieces, tune in today!
    Key Points From This Episode:
    Albert’s feelings about having won an NRA grant and the state of the art world currently.
    ‘High art' versus creative expression: Albert’s thoughts on the ‘Not Real Art’ title.
    Albert’s love of the craft of art and why he has never considered himself part of the art world.
    How big of an industry commercial art is while so many artists starve on the fringes.
    The genius of Black creative expression which has been capitalized on by white people.
    Valuable lessons from art school around materials, methods, and ‘seeing’.
    Albert’s love for geometry and maths and how it influences the art he makes.
    How Albert came up with his “Shadow Art” incorporating 3D word sculptures overlaid with imagery.
    Albert’s method for pricing his work using knowledge gained from his commercial experience.
    Why artists should incorporate the time they have spent training into their pricing structures.
    How NFTs and cryptocurrency are shifting up the way art is brought, displayed, transported, and traded.
    Albert’s thoughts about how he can keep pushing Shadow Art and the way he uses words.
    The art, knowledge, and inventiveness that have been erased from history books by colonizers.
    Why Albert came up with the Cleophus nickname when he went back to art school.
    For more info, visit: https://notrealart.com/albert-willis-2

    • 1 hr 2 min
    Gringo and The Man Ride Again

    Gringo and The Man Ride Again

    We are back again with the Not Real Art podcast and today’s show is a special one because Sourdough and ManOne finally got the chance to sit back and shoot the breeze together. The two OGs are back with another installment of Gringo and the Man! Have you guessed who the Gringo is yet? The vibe is always electric when these two get together and today’s show is no different. You’ll hear our hosts talk about everything from UFO sightings to the evils of Neoliberalism and everything in between. We kick the show off with some definitions (because you know we are all about the formalities here). ManOne lets us know exactly what a Gringo is and Sourdough tells us why he is happy to don the term with pride. We talk about why Humboldt University should have a blunt as a mascot, how badass Navy SEALS are, and what to expect from The Matrix Resurrections. ManOne also shares a bunch of hilarious travel stories involving nude beaches in Dubrovnik and bouncers putting drunken macho men to sleep in London. So for all this and more, join Gringo and The Man today!
    Key Points From This Episode:
    The roots of the word ‘Gringo’ and why Sourdough is proud to wear the label.
    ManOne talks about his trip to Northern California; Bigfoot culture and a lack of diversity.
    ·What the mascots at Humboldt University should look like considering how much weed people smoke there.
    Jokes about trying unsuccessfully to get quality cell phone footage of Bigfoot and aliens.
    Updates in the tech sphere; what is happening with Blackberry, Apple, and Samsung devices.
    How gimmicky some updates are and how sad it is that people lap them up.
    Whether it is wise to be an early adopter and how our hosts approach buying new phones.
    Spyware that is spreading in Apple devices and the need to update one’s technology.
    How the giant tech firms defy Capitalism in its true sense.
    The unfairness of a new bank account auditing rule that bypasses billionaires.
    Thoughts on corruption across the board and how broken the American system is.
    What the new Matrix film might be like and how good the trailer for The Rescue is.
    How extreme the cave rescue that The Rescue documents was
    ManOne’s experiences in Dubrovnik finding albino crabs in a cave he explored.
    Stories about Navy SEAL training and the killing machines the U.S. government is able to create.
    A time where ManOne was in London and saw a bouncer quell an aggressive drunk guy.
    Thoughts on why big guys always want to fight and prove who is tougher.
    For more info, visit: https://notrealart.com/gringo-and-the-man-2

    • 1 hr 7 min
    Faith XLVII x Erin Yoshi: Unbound by Formality

    Faith XLVII x Erin Yoshi: Unbound by Formality

    Today, guest host Erin Yoshi speaks with South African multidisciplinary artist, Faith XLVII. Faith’s journey into art began on the streets of South Africa in 1997 as a young graffiti writer. In 2006, she began on a nomadic journey that led her to create work in 42 countries. Her evolution from street artist to multidisciplinary artist has created a fluid yet solid bridge into the contemporary art world, and her explorative approach has led her to develop a broad range of artwork, ranging from immersive new media installations and hand-sewn wall tapestries to sculptural bronze works investigating hierarchies of power, as well as paintings and various explorations into printmaking. The thread of Faith's practice can be traced from abandoned structures and landmark 20-story buildings to museums, galleries, and intimate site-specific installations. In this episode, she reflects on the freedom that not going to art school afforded her and how she has gone on to create art unbound by formality. We also touch on the intersection between art and experience and how she drew inspiration from the internet, and Faith shares how she prioritizes her wellbeing by saying no, how she adopted a scrappy, DIY ethos in advancing her own career, and the universal language that she believes is present in her work. You’ll also learn more about the evolution of her career and practice, from graffiti to gallery shows, and the thought process behind some of her most famous murals. All this and so much more in today’s conversation with Faith XLVII!

    Key Points From This Episode:
    Faith walks us through her initial explorations in art-making, starting with graffiti.
    Some of her earliest memories of creating art and the positive influence of Steiner schooling.
    The freedom that not going to art school afforded Faith; creating art unbound by formality.
    How art and experience are connected in her practice.
    Early projects that were transformative for Faith, including ‘The Freedom Charter’ series.
    Ways in which her work responds to antisocial city planning in South Africa.
    Faith reflects on her shift from graffiti to global public art and how the internet inspired her.
    Reeducating the people that follow her work on the evolution of her practice as a commercial artist; how Faith has allowed for reinvention.
    Learn about some of her immersive new media installations and performance pieces.
    Intentionally choosing which projects to engage in by prioritizing her own wellbeing.
    The power and privilege of saying ‘no’ and claiming time to be still, incubate, and meditate.
    Faith shares some of her interests, including ceremony, dream interpretation, and Jungian psychology, as well as deep ecology.
    Hear about Faith’s DIY, self-motivated ethos in advancing her own career.
    What success looks like for Faith now and what she is aspiring toward.
    What it was like being a mother and a working artist and where Faith draws inspiration from.
    Some of her favorite artists, including Blu, Axel Void, and Sebastián Velasco.
    How Faith’s large-scale murals inform her paintings, installation work, and sculptures.
    The universal language of art that she uses to communicate her ideas and emotions.
    Discover the thought process behind ‘Salus Populi Suprema Lex Esto’ on Skid Row, LA.
    Faith shares her very simple advice for young artists: read books!
    Coming up as a woman artist in a male-populated industry and how Faith seeks to reclaim female power and intuition through her work.
    The importance of seeking out mentors and taking on mentees as established artists.
    For more info, visit: https://notrealart.com/faith-XLVII

    • 54 min
    Robert Liu-Trujillo x Erin Yoshi: Sharing Stories of Diversity and Joy

    Robert Liu-Trujillo x Erin Yoshi: Sharing Stories of Diversity and Joy

    In today’s episode of the Not Real Art Podcast, guest host Erin Yoshi is joined by Robert Liu-Trujillo, a fine artist, illustrator, muralist, children’s book creator, and lifelong Bay Area resident. Born in Oakland California, Rob is the child of student activists who watched lots of science fiction and took him to demonstrations. Always drawing, Rob grew up to be an artist, falling in love with graffiti, fine art, illustration, murals, and children’s books at a young age. Rob now illustrates and writes bilingual children’s books to share stories of diversity of joy, like Furqan’s First Flat Top, where readers meet Furqan Moreno, a 10-year-old Black Latino boy who always had “real curly hair” and decides it is time for a new haircut. Through storytelling, Rob scratches the surface of many untold stories, and he is also the Founder of Come Bien Books and a Cofounder of The Trust Your Struggle Collective. In this conversation, he offers some insight into the evolution of his artistic practice and shares some of the narratives in his books, which he created for kids like his son, who is mixed race and bilingual. He also walks us through the process of building stories and creating characters, using art to address social issues, and the power of encouraging young BIPOC artists, plus so much more, so make sure to tune in today to learn more!
    Key Points From This Episode:
    Robert shares some of his early memories of art, starting with his love for graffiti.
    How he learned about graffiti and design and ultimately went on to study fine art in college.
    His lifelong passion for art and how growing up in the Bay Area influenced his work.
    From working in libraries, antique shops, and art stores to teaching; Rob’s career trajectory.
    The evolution of his work from graffiti to illustration, inspired by animation and comic books.
    Finding his niche in children’s books and writing contemporary stories of diversity and joy.
    Hear more about Rob’s DIY route to becoming a published author and illustrator.
    Some of the storylines in Rob’s first books, which he created for kids like his own.
    What Rob’s disciplined art practice looks like and why he believes it’s like being an athlete.
    Rob on his process of ideating, iterating, and creating narratives and characters.
    Challenges he has encountered on his journey and what they taught him about picking his battles, consistency, and the power of saying ‘no’.
    Learn about the Trust Your Struggle Collective and what inspired the formation of the crew.
    Using art to address current and past social issues and to illustrate what could be.
    What Rob has learned from collaboration; why he believes that “steel sharpens steel.”
    Find out what artistic sovereignty and artistic sustainability mean to him.
    How Rob looks after himself by taking days off social media and doing consistent exercise.
    Staying relevant and ‘fresh’ by working on a wide variety of different projects.
    Some of the artists that Rob admires, including Olivia Fields and Abelle Hayford.
    How Rob overcomes artists’ block as a professional by practicing regularly.
    Balancing being a parent and a working artist and inspiration Rob gets from his children.
    What’s next for Rob, including his new picture book, Alejandria Fights Back!
    How he hopes his art book, Art of Rob, will encourage young BIPOC kids to be artists.
    For more info, visit: https://notrealart.com/robert-liu-trujillo-and-erin-yoshi

    • 54 min
    Kristina Wong x Erin Yoshi: Political Comedy in a Post-Satire World

    Kristina Wong x Erin Yoshi: Political Comedy in a Post-Satire World

    Today, guest host and LA muralist Erin Yoshi is joined by performance artist, comedian, writer, and elected representative, Kristina Wong. Kristina has been featured in the New York Times’ Off Color series, highlighting artists of color who use humor to make smart social statements about the sometimes subtle, sometimes obvious ways that race plays out in America today. She has been presented internationally across North America, the UK, Hong Kong, and on the African continent, and has been a guest on late night shows on NBC, Comedy Central, and FX. Kristina’s work has been described as “brutal but hilarious" and, in this episode, she shares her unique perspective on the intersection between politics and art, martyrdom and mental health, and her Western privilege as an Asian American woman. We also touch on vagina costumes, yellow fever, and Kristina’s love-hate relationship with activism and obsession, plus so much more! To learn more about Kristina Wong and how she confronts defunct systems of power through her outrageously funny and highly relevant work, tune in today!
    Key Points From This Episode:
    Kristina shares her relationship with performance art and how her expression has evolved.
    Kristina’s experience of running for office, the intersection between politics and art, and making political comedy in a post-satire world.
    A glimpse into ‘Kristina Wong, Sweatshop Overlord’, her newest performance art piece.
    Crashing a beauty pageant in ‘Fannie Wong, Former Miss Chinatown 2nd Runner Up’.
    Recurring themes of martyrdom, mental health, and saving the world in Kristina’s projects.
    Confronting her Western privilege through hip hop in Uganda in ‘The Wong Street Journal’.
    The importance of listening to those most affected by the issues you advocate for or against.
    Performing stand up comedy in a vagina costume to confront racism and patriarchy.
    Kristina on her viral media appearance about dating white men with Asian fetishes.
    Confronting controversy through comedy; Kristina shares insight into her writing process.
    How she tackled the inefficiencies and desperation of the COVID-19 pandemic in ‘Sweatshop Overlord’ and ‘Auntie Sewing Squad’.
    How making fun of herself as an activist creates more ‘screenshot-able fodder’ for the right.
    How Kristina replenishes herself and the systems of care she has built into her projects.
    The importance of relearning and respecting the labor involved in our artwork.
    Targeting the root of the cause rather than simply being critical.
    Where Kristina gets inspiration from; her love-hate relationship with activism and obsession.
    Find out where you can watch ‘Kristina Wong, Sweatshop Overlord’ until 28 November.
    For more info, visit: https://notrealart.com/kristina-wong

    • 56 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
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33 Ratings

R Saez ,

Great resource for art biz newbie

As an Art business newbie and I love this show. I always learn something and Scott does a great job pulling out the personal and professional insights from his guests. Nice work!

Tijera Williams Review ,

Great Experience, Great Opportunity, and So Much Fun to Make!

As a podcast-virgin, being apart of the makings of the podcast was a tremendous opportunity and experience. Sourdough was a great host, and we could go on and on. I am especially appreciative of the opportunity to speak about my art on a new platform that I will definitely be exploring! It felt like the conversation was seamless to produce and was conveyed to the audience in an easy-to-understand delivery when discussing art history. If I could do it again, I absolutely would! These podcasts are great for art learners and art-lovers alike, and I’m so glad to be apart of the Not Real Art family! :)

Rachel O. ,

It’s like free art school!

Great podcast for anyone interested in working in the arts! Definitely a great selection of guests, art forms + processes discussed. A must-listen for any artist!

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