podcast 328 – 13 bad reasons to switch from trinitarian to unitarian Trinities

    • Christianity

In this episode I discuss thirteen bad reasons for switching one's theology from trinitarian to unitarian, reasons which I've actually encountered "in the wild." Some of these claims are false. Others are true but not relevant enough. Others are vague (false on some interpretations but true on others) but never a good reason for switch.







These reasons are:















* "The Trinity" is incoherent (i.e. self-contradictory).* Trinitarians simply confuse together Jesus and God.* "The Trinity" amounts to three gods.* Unitarian Christian theology is the only Christian way to be monotheistic.* The Trinity was invented at Nicea - or at least at one of those councils.* Trinitarians have always been vicious persecutors.* "The Trinity" has pagan roots.* The New Testament  is Hebraic, not Hellenistic. But you need Hellenistic terminology to even state "the doctrine of the Trinity."* Jesus did not teach "the Trinity."* The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible.* Trinity theories are confusing.* Most Christians in officially trinitarian groups are confused about what "the Trinity" amounts to and are afraid to look into the matter.* The most learned trinitarians disagree with one another about what "the doctrine of the Trinity" is.







I explain in detail why in my view each of these is a bad reason for switching. When I switched, it was not for any of these reasons.







Then I briefly mention two good reasons to switch, and answer some interesting listener questions.















Links for this episode:







You can support the trinities podcast at patreon.com.







The Standard Opening Move [of apologists re: "the Trinity"]







1.4 Trinity as Incoherent







one-self Trinity theories







three-self Trinity theories







An argument against Son-modalism







on confusing Jesus together with God: "A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me," podcast 124 – a challenge to “Jesus is God” apologists, a aria-label="Debate - "Is Jesus Human and not Divine?" - Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date (opens in a new tab)" href="https://youtu.

In this episode I discuss thirteen bad reasons for switching one's theology from trinitarian to unitarian, reasons which I've actually encountered "in the wild." Some of these claims are false. Others are true but not relevant enough. Others are vague (false on some interpretations but true on others) but never a good reason for switch.







These reasons are:















* "The Trinity" is incoherent (i.e. self-contradictory).* Trinitarians simply confuse together Jesus and God.* "The Trinity" amounts to three gods.* Unitarian Christian theology is the only Christian way to be monotheistic.* The Trinity was invented at Nicea - or at least at one of those councils.* Trinitarians have always been vicious persecutors.* "The Trinity" has pagan roots.* The New Testament  is Hebraic, not Hellenistic. But you need Hellenistic terminology to even state "the doctrine of the Trinity."* Jesus did not teach "the Trinity."* The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible.* Trinity theories are confusing.* Most Christians in officially trinitarian groups are confused about what "the Trinity" amounts to and are afraid to look into the matter.* The most learned trinitarians disagree with one another about what "the doctrine of the Trinity" is.







I explain in detail why in my view each of these is a bad reason for switching. When I switched, it was not for any of these reasons.







Then I briefly mention two good reasons to switch, and answer some interesting listener questions.















Links for this episode:







You can support the trinities podcast at patreon.com.







The Standard Opening Move [of apologists re: "the Trinity"]







1.4 Trinity as Incoherent







one-self Trinity theories







three-self Trinity theories







An argument against Son-modalism







on confusing Jesus together with God: "A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me," podcast 124 – a challenge to “Jesus is God” apologists, a aria-label="Debate - "Is Jesus Human and not Divine?" - Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date (opens in a new tab)" href="https://youtu.