Psychologists Dr. Leo Bobadilla and Dr. Katie Gordon discuss science, clinical practice, and controversies in stand-up comedy, academia, and society.
Discussing "Racial Justice Requires Ending the War on Drugs"
In this episode we discuss the recent article: "Racial Justice Requires Ending the War on Drugs" (Earp, Lewis, Hart, & Bioethicists and Allied Professionals for Drug Policy Reform, 2021). The article highlights ways in which the war on drugs in the US has perpetuated racism, exemplified by the recent, heartbreaking killing of Breonna Taylor during a botched drug raid in 2020. Informed by history and data, the article argues for decriminalizing drugs as a necessary step for racial justice in the US and globally, given that the drug war has impacted sociopolicy across continents for decades. The topic is near and dear to Katie and Leo for a variety of personal and professional reasons. As we discuss the article we weave Leo's experiences growing up in Colombia during the height of the drug war, and Oregon becoming the first U.S. state to decriminalize the possession and personal use of all drugs. We also discuss the benefits of treating substance use-related problems through a public health policy following Portugal's approach rather than through criminal justice system which has not borne desired results, as rates of drug use remain stable or have increased in past few years in particular for opioids and stimulants. We also touch on obstacles in the current system for people seeking help, the DARE program, and the role that pharmaceutical companies have played in overprescription of these drugs. In our next episode we will include an expert guest and focus on mental health implications and treatment and hopefully some data on legalization trends across the world. As usual, we lighten the mood here and there by discussing delicious Portuguese octopus dishes and Katie's experiences with the DARE program in 5th grade. We are probably not going to get any pharmaceutical company sponsorships after this one.
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Political Psychology, Southern Identities, Trump, & the January 6th Insurrection with Dr. Chris Cooper
In light of the insurrectionist riot on January 6th in Washington DC, which among many other things, brought images of the confederate flag carried by the insurrectionists at the U.S. Capitol, we were excited to have Dr. Chris Cooper from Western Carolina University as a guest on Psychodrama. Chris is the Robert Lee Madison Distinguished Professor and Department Head of Political Science and Public Affairs at WCU. He is also the co-author of the book, “The Resilience of Southern Identity: Why the South Still Matters in the Minds of its People” and is co-editor of The New Politics of North Carolina. His political psychology research into Southern identities and politics provided a unique perspective to the events of the last 4 years and we had a very stimulating conversation with him. We also sprinkled some levity into the conversation about eating one of Iceland’s gastronomical delicacies: hákarl. We hope you enjoy this episode and find as interesting, if not disquieting, as we did.
Readings mentioned in the episode:
What Trump Shares With the Lost Cause of the Confederacy- Karen L. Cox, NYTimes opinion.
Political Sectarianism in America-Finke et al., (2020)- Science
The Resilience of Southern Identity: Why the South Still Matters in the Minds of Its People Chris Cooper and Gibbs Knot
The Long Southern Strategy: How Chasing White Voters in the South Changed American Politics- Angie Maxwell and Todd Shields
The Rise of the Latino Vote-Benjamin Francis-Fallon
Deep Roots: How Slavery Still Shapes Southern Politics- Avidit Acharya; Matthew Blackwell & Maya Sen.
Learning from Loss: The Democrats, 2016–2020- Seth Masket
The Sociology & Psychology of Cults with Dr. Janja Lalich
Note: This episode contains some discussion of cults and sexual abuse.
For our first episode of season 2 we are extremely happy and honored to have Dr. Janja Lalich who is a leading world authority in cults and extremist groups. Dr. Lalich is a former Fulbright scholar, Professor Emerita of Sociology at California State University, Chico, and author of multiple articles and the books in the topic including “Take Back Your Life: Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships” and “Bounded Choice: True Believers and Charismatic Cults.” She has been featured in multiple national and international journalistic outlets including NPR, Meet the Press and the BBC to talk about prominent cults including Heaven’s Gate and recently the NXIVM cult. We spoke with Dr. Lalich about her own experience in a political cult earlier in her life and how it influenced her later research. We could have spent all day speaking with Dr. Lalich about her insights and research about why people stay in cults, parallels between cults and abusive relationships, and differentiating extremist religious and political factions from cults. We concluded with some excellent advice for family and loved ones who may find themselves in a cult. We are very happy to bring you this episode and hope you enjoy listening to it as much as we did recording it.
New York Times article about the NXIVM cult
Dr. Janja Lalich’s website & resources
Season 1 over, Season 2 Upcoming!
Hi Psychodrama listeners! First, we hope that you and your loved ones are doing well through these first days of November which continue to be challenging and have definitely been filled with more than our fair share of well, drama! We also would like to thank you all for your continued listening and support. It has been great fun and very rewarding to put together this podcast for you and as we have mentioned, it is an integral part of our self-care during this intense 2020 and we could not do it without you, our listeners.
As we have completed season 1 we are hard at work planning Season 2 (Part Deux: "The Seasoning"). We already have at least 3 episodes planned so be on the lookout for more interesting interviews and stories about the intersection between psychology and societal issues and controversies including Sex Cults! Why some White academics are faking their ethnic identities! And, the decriminalization and legalization of drugs as part of criminal justice reform. So, be on the lookout for those a week after Thanksgiving! Thanks, and talk soon!
Katie and Leo
Cobra Kai & Some Psychology Too
After having the past few weeks marked by very grave serious national news that added to our already maxed-out pandemic related stress, forest fires in the Western United States, the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Trump’s taxes being released, a chaotic presidential debate, the death of prominent psychologist Dr. Scott Lilienfeld, and then Trump predictably contracting COVID - we decided to do a fairly lighthearted show this time around.
We talk about Cobra Kai and examine its characters from a psychological perspective. There are a bunch of spoilers but surely you all have binged on it already so there is nothing to spoil. And if you have not seen Cobra Kai, go watch it; it is great. And still listen to this episode because psychological science shows that “Story Spoilers Don’t Spoil Stories”and in fact it may actually improve them.
We had a blast making this episode as we discussed all the rumbles we were involved in as teenagers as well as Bananarama, both the band and the pancakes. This past summer was a cruel, cruel, summer indeed, enjoy this respite before November because it looks like 2020 is showing NO MERCY!”
More about Dr. Scott Lilienfeld and his contributions to psychology:
Remembering Dr. Lilienfeld
50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology
Psychological Treatments that Cause Harm
The Dodo Bird verdict: Status in 2014
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College Mental Health & Controversy During the Pandemic with Dr. Helen Hsu
We were thrilled to have expert guest, Dr. Helen Hsu, join us for an episode about the important topic of college mental health! We discussed controversy surrounding college re-opening plans and enforcement of physical distancing policies--including what we think we would do if we were college students in 2020. Dr. Hsu shared her observations about how mental health concerns among students have changed both across generations and pre- vs. post-pandemic. She also shared what she thinks is driving those changes. We talked about coping strategies during the pandemic including anti-all-or-nothing-thinking, taking nonjudgmental attitudes towards ourselves, safe socializing, creating a sense of purpose, and learning radical acceptance. We enjoyed making this episode and hope you enjoy listening to it! Thanks so much!
You can follow Dr. Helen Hsu on Twitter and Instagram.
Read her moving article for McSweeney's here: Pixels of Empathy.
Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers Video
Radical Acceptance Video 1
Radical Acceptance Video 2
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