Meet N. Wahid Azal. He is Founder and Grand Sheik of the Fatimiya order of Sufi Islam. In this conversation we hear about Wahid incorporates plant medicine as sacrament his religion, and the official decree from the the Grand Ayatollah Rohani stating that Ayahuasca is approved in Shia Islam. We also talk about Wahid’s experiences of doing plant medicine work with indigenous tribes in the subtropical jungles of Iran and the proliferation of psychedelic patterns in Islamic art and architecture, especially throughout Iran and Pakistan. We talk about the history of Islam and Sufism. We speculate about the role of plant medicines the origins of religions, and throughout this conversation we return to complex tension and interdependence between of modernism and traditionalism. We both feel into the importance of being warriors for the Earth, warriors of light and warriors for the human spirit in these times.