rp daily: a check on vaccine the nantucket project

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a check on vaccine. today, tom and rp discuss the current state of covid-19; as states begin to reopen at different rates, discrepancies in the severity of the pandemic are more and more evident. they cover sweden’s failed “herd immunity” experiment, the speed of the vaccine’s development, and how likely it is for americans to want a vaccine in the first place. the fourth of july has passed, and after celebrations occurred across america, tom and rp ask how seriously many americans are taking the pandemic. 
tom scott is chairman & co-founder of the nantucket project. rp eddy was the architect of the Clinton administration’s pandemic response framework and the United Nations response to the global AIDS epidemic & is CEO of global intelligence firm Ergo.  
rp is co-author of the best-selling award-winning book Warnings: Finding Cassandras to Stop Catastrophes with Richard A. Clarke, Former National Security Council counterterrorism adviser.
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[00:00:17] How are you doing? Good to see you. Welcome back. 
 
[00:00:20] Good. I’m Sago’s fourth. I say excited. Get back in the car. 
 
[00:00:25] Did you what do you do for the fourth? 
 
[00:00:28] We we were in Courtland, Idaho, and we sat on a balcony and watched illegal fireworks all around the lake, which is a different other than one place we know where everyone watches the town fireworks, everyone in town decide to have their own fireworks. So it’s kind of fun, but it didn’t end till about 1:00 the morning. 
 
[00:00:49] Wow, how about you? 
 
[00:00:53] I was home and I was asleep pretty early. My children went out and. 
 
[00:01:02] You know, normally. Well, it was interesting because I can see across the board the Long Island Sound here and you can see a lot of fireworks from towns up and down. And I wasn’t sure what would happen this year. I was at my workout yesterday and the guy had come in. He’s a very friendly guy, wanted to join the class. And he said I said, well, where do you live? And he said, I live in Bayside, Queens. So we’ll have. Why’d you come here? He goes, because we can’t work out in New York, in the gyms. So I wasn’t sure because you know, where we live, you know, we live right near the border, not far from New Jersey, right next to New York. We’re in Connecticut. Connecticut gyms are open. I still do it outside. He came up for that. It turns out Long Island, I guess you could have all the fireworks displays and everything. 
 
[00:01:50] And so I ended up just watching that. But I mentioned some of that stuff because. I don’t know exactly how this works. OK? And I’m going to I’m going to give you a little bit of a. 
 
[00:02:04] Preamble here, which is that I’ve been like reading far afield on this topic the last few days, which is to say I’ve been reading ActiveX things and I’ve listened a little bit to Bobby Kennedy and others. 
 
[00:02:19] I’ve also read some interesting things about vaccines. I want to talk to you about that quickly. 
 
[00:02:28] And by the way, the reason I do this for me is that I know I don’t know. Right. So what do I do? I tend to follow the crowd, which is what we all do to a certain extent, whether we know it or not. There’s no way I know enough about vaccines to understand it for myself more often than not. I take what I hear from you, Arpey. And by and large, for example, I hear that Sweden has been a failure. But there’s others who would say the opposite, that Sweden has actually been a success, which in today’s world, I know this stuff gets really complicated because we hear it from all sides. This is all in the context of what I was describing is why I can and can’t see fireworks, because the rules are