Saj Razvi has been involved in psychedelic therapy from almost every angle - as a researcher in the MAPS MDMA trials, as a psychotherapist, and now as a trainer of others looking to incorporate psychedelics into their practice.
Saj believes that psychedelics don't necessarily fit with traditional therapy, and so has created a modality designed specifically for work with them.
He's a passionate advocate for these medicines, but also knows from first hand experience that things can go horribly wrong. Saj continues to tell the story of what happens as a cautionary tale for others.
We talked with Saj about why he believes therapy should start with the body, the extraordinary results he's seen from people working with these substances, the enormous time commitment MDMA therapy demands, both in and out of session and his advice for therapists just getting started in the field.