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Self Storage Lab

Join us for our brand new show, The Self Storage Lab–a new podcast deconstructing how operators are adapting to today’s technology-driven landscape and how it might impact your business. In the age of hyper-informed, store-anywhere customers, your business needs to be always on, data-driven, and customer-centered. Whether you’re a thousand location operator or looking to get into self storage with your first property, nerd out with us as we help you decide what’s best for your business. tryswivl.com tryswivl.com/blueprint

  1. 6D AGO

    Beyond The Hype: Building Useful AI in Self Storage

    Welcome back to Self Storage Lab, the podcast where we deconstruct how operators are adapting to today’s technology-driven landscape—and what it means for the future of the industry. This episode is a throwback to the early days—with just Mason, Rodolfo, and Kyle at the mics. Together, they unpack where we really are in the AI timeline, why some businesses are pulling back from their GenAI experiments, and how to distinguish between what’s hype and what’s actually working in the real world. Whether you’re an operator trying to make sense of “AI-powered” products or a team leader wondering how to onboard your staff into an AI-native future, this episode offers both clarity and a reality check. In this episode, we explore: Why 42% of firms have abandoned most of their GenAI pilots—and what’s still worth chasing.The difference between AI-powered, AI-native, and agentic platforms (and why it matters).Where AI workflows are actually helping self-storage operators today—from collections to customer onboarding.How Swivl’s AI architecture blends deterministic and non-deterministic models to do real work—at scale. If you’re tired of the hype and want the real roadmap for implementing AI in your business, this episode is for you. In this episode we discussed: (00:00:20) Blink-182 is old now? Let’s feel that existential crisis together. (00:01:30) The “trough of disillusionment”—why GenAI pilots are stalling in enterprise. (00:04:00) Transformers are 8 years old—so what’s really new about today’s AI? (00:07:30) Why OpenAI, Microsoft, and Google are spending billions on basic research. (00:09:30) AI isn’t magic—it’s a systems engineering problem. (00:10:45) Most “AI” is machine learning—and that’s a good thing. (00:12:30) AI-powered vs. AI-native vs. agentic: breaking down the marketing speak. (00:16:30) Why consumer expectations are driving product branding more than features. (00:18:00) Swivl’s 32-model system and what it means to be AI-native. (00:20:00) Multiverse of agents? What’s real, what’s branding. (00:23:00) Operator and Rabbit: why AI agents still fall short for real tasks. (00:25:00) Why Swivl’s AI helps operators—not just consumers. (00:28:00) OpenAI Connectors—live HubSpot integration and use cases. (00:30:30) Apple Notes x GPT: the small UX wins that make a big difference. (00:32:00) What is MCP (Model Context Protocol) and why does it matter? (00:34:00) Human team analogies for AI agents—building your own AI company org chart. (00:36:30) Your iPhone camera is the best real-world example of agentic AI. (00:39:00) Will users ever care how AI works? Nope. They’ll care if it folds laundry. (00:41:00) Deterministic vs. non-deterministic models: when to use which. (00:43:00) How Swivl uses both: empathy-driven recommendations + reliable pricing logic. (00:46:00) Why Apple and Amazon haven’t cracked full AI assistants yet. (00:49:00) Real talk: banks and airlines would have done this already if it worked. (00:52:00) What’s next from Swivl—collections agents, onboarding tools, and more. Mentioned in This Episode: Internal Tools & Innovations Swivl’s stacked lobe system: 32 integrated AI modelsAI-assisted voice agents for collectionsOnboarding agents for new customersHubSpot and data platform connectors via ChatGPT Industry Inspiration OpenAI connector architectureApple Notes x GPT integrationMCP: Model Context Protocol for agent-to-agent commsThe Economist & IBM reports on GenAI performance Favorite Nuggets AI native = born into a future where GPT is your first study partnerDeterministic models for billing, availability, and complianceNon-deterministic for empathy, tone, and creativityAgents aren’t replacing humans—they’re augmenting them with precision Miscellaneous Mentions Sally Sue (our favorite customer persona)Baseball analogies and Santa mode GPTThe joy of talking about octopuses with an LLM Want to learn more about what AI can do for your facility? Check us out at tryswivl.com or Schedule a demo!

    53 min

  2. JUN 2

    Balancing Tech and Humanity in Canadian Storage with Robert Madsen from U-Lock Mini Storage

    This episode’s guest is Robert Madsen, president of U-Lock Mini Storage Group and the Canadian Self Storage Association. Robert’s story is rooted in the early days of the industry in Canada, having grown up working in his family’s first converted warehouse facility. Today, he leads one of British Columbia’s most recognizable storage brands and is a fierce advocate for the Canadian self-storage industry. In this episode, we explore: (00:00:20) From childhood chores to national leadership—Robert’s self-storage origin story.(00:03:11) Modular storage before it was cool—building units on demand in the 1980s.(00:05:00) Detouring into airport ops—and what storage can learn from aviation.(00:08:59) Crisis calm—why emergency landings prepared Robert for anything in storage.(00:12:23) Climbing the corporate ladder…and choosing self-storage over silos.(00:16:00) More than just stuff—why self-storage is about serving life’s transitions.(00:19:30) Hiring for empathy—what Robert looks for in customer-facing team members.(00:21:24) Bringing AI into ops—from call analysis to weekly training video automation.(00:26:56) How Robert got his team to "get" AI: a live demo that changed everything.(00:29:53) Creating an AI-literate culture—leadership’s role in empowering experimentation.(00:30:28) The domain name coup—how he landed selfstorage.ca before it was hot.(00:32:56) Canada ≠ U.S.—misconceptions, consumer behaviors, and population scale.(00:36:00) The cost of doing business—land, taxes, and pricing pressure in Vancouver.(00:42:00) Must-haves for Canadian customers: safety, cleanliness, and professional service.(00:44:00) Why Canada lacks lien laws—and how CSSA handles policy advocacy.(00:48:00) The tax battle—why being labeled “passive income” is hurting operators.(00:53:00) Use your data honestly—Robert’s advice to avoid vanity metrics and flawed deals.(01:00:22) Final advice for operators—optimize now, train relentlessly, and control what you can.

    1h 9m

  3. APR 29

    Transforming Urban Spaces Into Profitable Storage Facilities w/ Peter Smyth from White Label Storage

    Company Overview & Background Founded by Peter and Alex (met at Harvard Business School)Started as Local Locker in NYC - urban storage platform focused on unused spacesEvolved into White Label Storage - third-party management serviceAlex just had second boy (now 5 kids between the two founders)Currently operate 30 stores under management platform50+ stores in pipelineGrowth from 15 to 30 stores in past year Business Model Evolution Local Locker: B2C model focused on urban storageWhite Label Storage: B2B management service Operational Philosophy Client-first approach at every levelBuilt own website to reduce client costs ($500/month industry standard)Focus on stripping out unnecessary costsImproved onboarding process based on Rippling’s milestone approach Emphasizes building partnerships vs being fee providerTreats single-asset owners’ properties as retirement plans Technology & Innovation Recently launched streamlined payment collection systemDeveloping proprietary revenue management tool (Q3 launch target) Team Structure & Management 30 total employees~20 in operations (split between facility level and customer service)Separate sales/marketing and local teamsImplemented specialized roles to reduce “cognitive burden” Market Outlook & Industry Trends * Seeing demand normalization post-COVID correction Extra Space potentially returning to smaller marketsMajor challenge: “slash rate” promos creating pricing confusionFocus on maintaining steady rates vs chasing promotional pricingUnder-investment in assets remains common industry problemExpects institutional buyers to return to remote markets

    58 min

  4. APR 10

    Kat Lau & How Stuf Storage runs 30+ locations with just 3 ops staff

    In this episode, we welcome Katharine Lau, an accomplished entrepreneur and innovator in the real estate and proptech space. Katharine is the Co-Founder and CEO of Stuf Storage, a fast-growing self-storage startup that’s reimagining how we use urban space. Katharine shares her journey from a decade-long career in commercial real estate—working at firms like Prudential Real Estate Investors, Equinox, and coworking pioneer Industrious—to launching Stuf in 2020 with a mission to transform underutilized spaces into tech-enabled, hospitality-inspired storage. She opens up about the “aha” moment that led her to start Stuf, how her experience outside the storage industry shaped her approach, and why she believes the future of storage is local, software-enabled, and design-conscious. In this episode, we discussed: (00:02:31) The path from Shanghai skylines to storage startups—Kat’s early inspiration from global cities. (00:03:55) From hotel dreams to gritty strip malls—Kat’s career climb through real estate. (00:05:26) The pandemic pivot—how ghost kitchens, sourdough fails, and basements led to founding Stuf. (00:07:15) Customer-first storage—why Stuf is works for women and local communities. (00:10:28) Why Kat loves self-storage—and how she makes the mundane magical. (00:11:21) What is Stuf? A tech-enabled, AI-powered, remotely operated self-storage marketplace. (00:13:59) Operating 30+ locations with 3 ops staff—how proprietary tech makes it all possible. (00:14:10) Meet Sidney, the AI agent—Stuf’s newest “employee” managing sales, service, and collections. (00:15:09) The landlord play—how Stuf structures rev-share partnerships with property owners. (00:17:08) Is Stuf a brand? A tech company? A marketplace? Kat explains why the answer is yes to all. (00:19:01) Letting fires burn—how Kat decides what to prioritize as a CEO. (00:21:33) Staying grounded—how notebooks, air traffic control boards, and muffins keep her centered. (00:23:19) Lessons from Equinox and Industrious—building with a tech-first, asset-light mindset. (00:26:40) Balancing automation and humanity—what AI can and can’t (yet) replace in storage ops. (00:29:04) AI adoption advice—Kat’s tips for beginners and skeptics to just start exploring. (00:31:27) Surprising the engineers—how Kat became the AI evangelist in her own home. (00:34:32) The inevitable human craving—why Kat believes we’ll soon swing back toward connection. (00:37:00) The vertical city vision—how Kat sees future buildings transforming into stacked communities. (00:41:05) Beyond storage—ideas for retail pop-ups, last-mile logistics, and urban honeybee farms. (00:46:13) Expansion strategy—how Kat thinks about selecting new cities (and what she got wrong at first). (00:49:35) The self-storage paradox—same four walls, radically different product. (00:51:33) Doubling revenue in 2025—what’s next for Stuf, including new markets and product launches. (00:52:25) Hot takes—why every storage brand doesn’t need neon colors or another box logo.

    57 min

  5. FEB 17

    AI-Driven Marketing & Automation in Self-Storage with Gabriel Luna

    In this episode, the podcast hosts welcome Gabriel Luna, an accomplished marketing expert known for his strategic acumen and innovative use of AI in marketing. Gabriel is the Engagement and Communications Manager for KobreCo, overseeing brands like Trojan Storage and QuikStor. Gabriel shares his journey from a background in computer science to a leadership role in self-storage marketing, detailing how AI-driven tools have transformed his workflow. He discusses his role as chair of the marketing and communication committee for the California Self Storage Association, highlighting key industry challenges like optimization, technology adoption, and automation. The conversation covers a wide range of topics, including the intersection of creativity and data, the psychology behind AI adoption, and the role of personalization in self-storage marketing. This episode is packed with personal insights, practical applications, and forward-thinking strategies that operators and marketers alike can learn from. In this episode, we discussed: (02:06) The spark of a tech-driven mind – Gabriel’s childhood introduction to computers and Unix systems. (03:41) From computer science to marketing—how a passion for tech and creativity shaped Gabriel’s career. (05:40) AI as a daily assistant—how Gabriel integrates generative AI into marketing workflows. (15:22) Breaking barriers—why AI adoption is still a challenge in the self-storage industry. (25:47) The balance of art and analytics—how Gabriel harmonizes creativity with data-driven decisions. (33:43) Adapting to industry shifts—navigating change in self-storage marketing. (34:23) New responsibilities, new perspectives—Gabriel’s transition to vendor-side marketing with QuickStor. (34:53) The human side of networking—why relationships drive success in self-storage. (36:40) AI-powered personalization—how automation is making self-storage marketing more customer-centric. (41:36) Operational pain points—challenges operators face in an evolving market. (42:27) The quest for better customer experiences—what self-storage businesses can improve today. (45:51) Smart decision-making—using AI to optimize marketing campaigns and operational strategy. (49:33) The future of self-storage marketing—emerging trends and technological advancements. (51:47) Practical AI applications—real-world examples of AI’s role in self-storage operations. (56:33) What’s next for Trojan Storage? Gabriel shares upcoming initiatives and big-picture goals. Also Mentioned in this episode * ChatGPT (OpenAI) – Gabriel’s go-to tool for automating emails, summarizing meetings, and brainstorming ideas. * Gemini (Google AI) – Briefly mentioned as part of Gabriel’s workflow. * Notta.ai – AI-powered transcription tool that Gabriel uses for capturing meeting notes and generating summaries. * Pandas (Python Library) – Used for data manipulation and analytics within Trojan Storage. * QuikStor – Self-storage management software, now integrated with Trojan Storage. * swivl – AI-powered chatbot and automation platform for self-storage businesses, helping streamline customer interactions. * SpareFoot * CSSA (California Self Storage Association) * AI-generated review responses * Data-driven advertising campaigns * Eleanor Roosevelt Quote – “The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.” * AI’s Role in Psychological & Emotional Support

    1h 2m

  6. 12/27/2024

    2024 Rewind - we let AI take this one

    This year on Self Storage Lab, we’ve unpacked the biggest shifts and challenges in the self-storage industry—where operators are adapting to new tech, redefining customer experiences, and learning to balance automation with the human touch. In this special year-end recap, we let our AI co-hosts, Hoover and Athena, take the wheel as we revisit the standout insights, game-changing trends, and best moments from all of our 2024 episodes. From "figital" solutions to real-world lessons about scaling smarter, this rewind episode has it all. In this episode, we discussed: Data-Driven Decision Making (EP19) Balancing Automation with Personalization (EP20) Practical Innovation in Self Storage (EP20) Drawing Inspiration from Other Industries (EP 22) ROI-First Technology Adoption (EP22) Leveraging Influencer Marketing (EP23) The Power of Scalability (EP24) Balancing Technology and Customer Experience (EP24) The Importance of Product-Led Growth (EP25) Embracing Data and Challenging Assumptions (EP25) "We rent our employees, we invest in our systems." (EP26) “Every store we open, we set it up so it can be remotely run—whether it ever will be or not.” (EP26) Whether you’ve been with us since Episode 1 or you’re just tuning in, this recap is packed with insights to keep you inspired and ready for what’s next in 2025. Links & Resources: Visit us at selfstoragelab.com. Follow us on LinkedIn for updates and more insights. Got feedback? Send us a message—let’s keep the conversation going! Thank you for joining us this year. Here’s to innovation, growth, and plenty of laughs as we tackle what’s next in self storage!

    17 min

  7. 12/16/2024

    Decision-making framework & tech adoption with Atomic Storage Group

    In this episode, Rick Beal and Magen Smith, co-founders of Atomic Storage Group, share their journey of rapidly scaling their company to manage over 90 facilities across 20 states since its inception in 2019. They discuss their backgrounds, challenges faced, and how they successfully balance technology and the human touch in operations. The conversation delves into their hiring strategies, the importance of educational marketing, and the future trends in self storage, including technology adoption, the rise of hybrid management models, and the significance of keeping operations streamlined and efficient. In this episode, we discussed: (01:33) The Origin Story of Atomic Storage (02:57) Early Challenges and Growth (03:50) Out-of-the-box Management Strategies (05:57) Technology and Trends in Self Storage (11:32) Balancing Efficiency and Personalization (17:39) Remote Work and Company Culture (20:18) Client Relationships and Decision Making (29:51) Generational Preferences (30:53) Tech Integration in Retail (32:14) The Fred Factor: Simplifying Tech (33:56) Hiring Strategies and Common Sense (40:31) Trends and Innovations in Self Storage (45:41) Market Expansion and Organic Growth (52:20) Rapid Fire: Ranking Tech Importance We mentioned The Fred Factor

    56 min

  8. 11/27/2024

    The Modern FMS with Cubby CEO Matt Engfer

    In this episode, the first vendor guest, Matt Engfer, CEO and co-founder of Cubby, discusses how his company is transforming the self-storage industry with modern facility management software. Matt shares his journey from various industries—retail, life insurance, martech—and how these experiences influence his approach in self-storage. The conversation explores critical topics like revenue management, future tech landscapes, and the importance of having a product-led company. The discussion delves into practical strategies for pricing, the value of customer feedback, and the nuances of effective marketing in a need-based industry. In this episode, we discussed: 00:30 Matt Engfer's Journey to Self Storage 01:19 The Inspiration Behind Cubby 02:56 Challenges in the Self Storage Industry 05:07 Matt's Background and Early Career 10:10 Lessons from Marketing and Tech 27:04 Building a Successful Software Company 32:26 Challenges and Opportunities in Self-Storage Tech 33:02 Exploring White Space in Self-Storage 36:45 Revenue Management Strategies 47:39 Marketing's Impact on Revenue 54:30 Customer-Centric Product Development If you haven’t already, go download the second edition of our industry report:The State of Technology in Self Storage. We cover a ton of data points focused on how operators should think about putting The Modern Customer at the center of their universe.

    1h 4m
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Join us for our brand new show, The Self Storage Lab–a new podcast deconstructing how operators are adapting to today’s technology-driven landscape and how it might impact your business. In the age of hyper-informed, store-anywhere customers, your business needs to be always on, data-driven, and customer-centered. Whether you’re a thousand location operator or looking to get into self storage with your first property, nerd out with us as we help you decide what’s best for your business. tryswivl.com tryswivl.com/blueprint

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    swivl
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2025
  • Episodes
    33
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