Enjoy a refreshingly honest dialogue about social issues.
Inspired by the Taoist philosophy of "Be Like Water," Christian co-hosts David Yun and Josh Swanson interview people from all different walks of life to better understand their perspectives. Tune in for respectful, smooth, and real conversations about topics like racial injustice, mental health, and maybe the occasional debate over the best brand of bottled water.
S2.E1. A Taste of Korea feat. Grace Soyeon Moon
Our first guest for Season 2 of the Sound of Water Podcast is Grace Soyeon Moon!
Grace is a freelance journalist, researcher, and producer based in Seoul, South Korea. Her work has been published in NBC News, BBC, VICE News, Public Radio International (PRI), NPR, and more. And her most recent project with the The Wall Street Journal was just retweeted by Andrew Yang!
Grace shares her experiences with journalism, thoughts on North Korea, South Korea sex crimes, and more on this mad interesting episode.
Connect with Grace:
Graces’ Favorite Articles:
Food52 (Seoul): “When My Grandmother Fled North Korea, She Left Behind Army Base Stew”
VICE (Seoul): ‘Mitigating Factors: What’s Behind South Korea’s History of Giving Light Sentences For Sex Crimes?
BBC (Mokpo): “The young Koreans pushing back on a culture of endurance”
Asian American Journalists Association (AAJA) – a membership nonprofit advancing diversity in newsrooms, and ensuring fair and accurate coverage of communities of color (recommended by Grace for anyone interested in getting into journalism)
0:53 Asians are Thirsty
2:12 Introducing Grace Soyeon Moon!
4:38 Getting into Journalism
8:16 A Passion for North Korea
11:50 Buddaejjigae is Bomb
13:27 North Korean Issues
16:20 Pyongyang Pub
24:15 A Broken Korean Dream feat. Pyongneng Noodles
27:13 South Korea First
32:06 COVID Reporting in Daegu
42:53 Christian Culprits
46:00 Are Koreans More Obedient?
51:10 Sex Sellers and the New Normal
58:12 Korea’s History of Light Sex Crime Punishments
1:06:40 Feminism in Korea
1:11:12 Lessons Learned in Journalism
1:18:23 Universal Basic Income Shout Out by Andrew Yang!
1:22:47 Connect with Grace
Season 1 - Black Lives Matter
The first season of the Sound of Water podcast discusses black issues of racial injustice in America. Co-hosts David Yun and Josh Swanson interview black men and women from all different walks of life to better understand their perspectives on the matter.
Welcome to the season finale of the first season of the Sound of Water podcast. What a journey! In this episode, David and Josh wrap things up by reflecting on not only Dr. Goodie's episode, but all of the episodes in this season.
Season 1 of the Sound of Water podcast was specifically focused on black issues of racial injustice. David and Josh sought to interview black people from all different walks of life to hear their perspectives on the matter.
Featuring native Dallas rapper, Rikki Blu, academia director Melanie Johnson, global activist Mel Watkins, and best selling author and keynote speaker, Dr. Goodie Goodloe. Thank you to everyone who has followed us thus far on this journey.
Stay tuned for Season 2!
0:48 Naming Hurricanes
3:45 Josh's Secret
7:29 Time Flies
11:08 Josh is Feeling It!
21:03 David's Newfound Convictions
25:57 Jacob Blake and Speaking up with Family Members
32:00 Desensitized and Polarized
36:35 Get Your Priorities in Line
40:03 Voting Trump 2020 is Sus
44:19 The Gospel is Power and Truth
48:38 Faith Fundamentals
51:24 No Room to Mourn
60:48 Speaking Your Truth vs Living Your Truth
62:18 Fruits of the Spirit
66:10 Art of the Dragonfly
70:38 Community Organizing Let's Go!
72:27 Gen Z and Tik Tok
74:17 China Talk: Understanding Trump's Appeal
80:25 Responsibility as a Leader
84:19 Shout out to Korean Grandmas (아줌마)
90:22 David's Growth in Perspective
97:31 Josh's Final Question
98:58 Let's Make an App! (feat. Mingu Chu)
100:04 Josh's Closing Thoughts and Reflections
105:55 New Developments Coming Your Way
S1.E7. Good Trouble feat. Dr. Marcus "Goodie" Goodloe
David and Josh are honored to bring on best selling author and keynote speaker, Dr. Marcus "Goodie" Goodloe, as our final guest for our first season of Sound of Water!
Born and raised in Compton California, Dr. Goodie is currently on the pastoral care team of Flourishing Church in LA. He's served as an adjunct professor at Dallas Baptist University, has served other pastoral roles at Parkcrest Church in Long Beach and volunteered at Wave Church in LA. Now he travels around the country mentoring students, educators, business professionals, entertainers, faith communities everything. He has worked with the likes of the NFL's Oakland Raiders and Green Bay Packers, the University of New Mexico, University of Kansas, Southern Mississippi University. He also wrote the book, "KingMaker: Applying Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s Leadership Lessons in Working with Athletes and Entertainers" and co-authored the book "Habits: Six Steps to the Art of Influence."
Tune in as we speak with Dr. Goodie about the racial injustices facing black Americans today. He brings a compelling, biblically sound perspective with a convicting call to action you can’t miss!
Recommended Books by Dr. Goodie:
"White Fragility" by Robin DeAngelo (note: Dr. Goodie accidentally refers to this book as "White Privilege" a few times)
"The Politics of Jesus" by Obery Hendricks Jr.
"Jesus and the Disinherited" by Howard Thurman
"Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class" by Ian Haney López
"Walking with the Wind: A Memoir of the Movement" by John Lewis
"KingMaker: Applying Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s Leadership Lessons in Working with Athletes and Entertainers" by Dr. Marcus "Goodie" Goodloe
0:40 Ozarka Reigns Supreme
2:18 Introducing Dr. Marcus "Goodie" Goodloe!
6:19 Zeitgeist of the 21st Century
14:31 Truncated Gospel
24:57 Coalition of Conscience feat. "White Fragility"
38:37 No Excuses
44:17 With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility
58:00 Black Lives Matter's Lack of Leadership
60:53 Harvey Cox's Three Practical Steps for Moral Courage
72:55 We Can't Stay Here
82:58 Eulogy Virtues vs Resume Virtues
86:49 Where Do We Go From Here?
92:26 A Riot is the Language of the Unheard (Oppressed)
94:27 How Can Christians Be Leaders in Today's Age?
103:17 We Will Do What We Have a Desire to Do
S1.E6. Hypotheticals feat. Terry and Jim
Lots to unpack with this last discussion featuring Mel Watkins! David and Josh explore a myriad of topics ranging from Korean copycat culture, the 2016 presidential election, community organizing, and more. Enjoy some lighthearted conversation about some not so lighthearted issues.
Featuring two very special (hypothetical) guests, Terry and Jim!
2:00 David is a Fraud!
4:56 A Chance for Redemption
14:02 Walking in Someone Else's Shoes
18:30 Everyone is a Sociologist Nowadays
21:53 Dissecting Korea
35:18 Introducing... Terry and Jim!
43:26 Josh's Hot Take on Trump Supporters
59:06 A Willingness to Listen
64:50 "White Fragility" and the Role of an Ally
80:17 Josh's Thoughts on How We Move Forward
84:45 Our Next Guest!
S1.E5. Parallels feat. Mel Watkins
In this week's episode, David and Josh bring on Mel Watkins! Mel is a black woman educator who has been working in English language and social justice education in South Korea since 2013. She has volunteered for KOTESOL, the Seoul Migrant Arts Center and Teach North Korean Refugees, among other organizations, and she is currently involved as an organizer/writer for Black Lives Matter Korea.
You can find her recent work in the Hong Kong-published anthology Black in Asia ( also available on Amazon internationally), the 2014 Canadian anthology Trailblasian: Black Women in Asia, and on her blog about subtly, naturally decentering whiteness in literature, Equal Opportunity Reader.
Mel's Recommended Books:
"How to Be an Antiracist" by Ibram X. Kendi
"Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race" by Renni Eddo-Lodge
"Minor Feelings" by Cathy Park Hong
"The End of Policing" by Alex S. Vitale
Korean-speaking readers can also find her interview with Yonhap News about BLM Korea here.
2:07 Meet Mel Watkins!
6:30 Living as a Black Woman (/Minority) in Korea
22:33 Parallels between the South Korean and African American Experience
31:32 Differentiating between Ignorance and Racism
46:55 The State of Activism in Korea
54:55 The American Response to Racial Injustice
62:18 Deconstructing White Privilege and White Supremacy
87:25 The Future of the Black Lives Matter Movement
95:33 The Broader Black Experience
106:33 Is Equality on the Horizon?
110:51 Mel's Closing Thoughts (and Call to Action!)
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