Stance of Curiosity

Gillian Boudreau and Joelle vanLent
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Child Psychologists Joelle vanLent and Gillian Boudreau tackle topics related to schooling in our modern times including navigating impossible expectations and the power of curiosity in education, empowering educators to redefine success, overcoming fear and shame and their effects on school communities with open dialogue, and balancing high demands with compassion and understanding.

  1. MAR 23

    What is the spirit of inclusion and can we sometimes get in our own way of success?

    Joelle and Gillian wade into the murky waters of creating a plan for inclusion for students that are not responding to our best and most creative efforts.  Belonging, a sense of connection, and authentic engagement in experiences that are growth promoting in ways that are relevant to each person seems to be the goal.  There are some situations where “being with the group” does not get us to that goal.  When we begin to think more broadly about inclusion, what are examples of what that could include?  We consider guiding questions, varied ways to measure success, ethical considerations, and guideposts to ensure that we don’t go so far with our capacity to challenge the norm that we revert back to exclusion.   Find us on Instagram! Gillian: https://www.instagram.com/clearconnectionpsychology/ Joelle: https://www.instagram.com/joelle.vanlent/

    44 min

  2. MAR 16

    Collaborative and Proactive Solutions: Can it work for even our toughest challenges such as truancy?

    Gillian and Joelle sit alongside parents and educators to consider how to support a student who is chronically refusing school.  What happens when the student realizes we cannot force them to go?  What happens when we’ve done everything we can think of and they are still not going?  The common pitfalls of feeling panic, incompetent, and deflecting blame are counterproductive.  CPS is an alternative approach that can help us avoid those responses and remain engaged with the child/teen as they navigate their path out of a stuck place.   Plan B Organizer:  https://thinkkids.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Plan-B-Organizer_ThinkKids.pdf Collaborative and Proactive Solutions website:   https://livesinthebalance.org/ Find us on Instagram! Gillian: https://www.instagram.com/clearconnectionpsychology/ Joelle: https://www.instagram.com/joelle.vanlent/

    47 min

  3. MAR 9

    Accommodation versus agenda in supporting PDA nervous systems and Beyond: A dynamic conversation on supporting our youth in moments of stress and overwhelm.

    Is it possible that in our effort to mitigate overwhelm, we sometimes remove growth promoting opportunities and reduce healthy stress tolerance?  Joelle and Gillian talk through their decades-long journey of understanding the experience of neurodivergent youth and the complexity of how to support their capacity to cope with a world built by and for neurotypical people, while offering authentic and worthy learning and skill building experiences.  All of us in supportive roles can play the short game to relieve overwhelm and the long game where we face healthy challenges alongside youth.  All of us can make the wrong call at times and push too hard for the wrong reasons or overaccommodate to provide immediate relief.  As we navigate these decisions, we can polarize each other and go to extremes that further confuse the kids and eachother.  In this discussion, Joelle and Gillian identify some guiding considerations for teams to help us align our approaches. At a certain point in this episode Gillian shares some potential drawbacks of Brene Brown's approach, which is better encapsulated in this article: https://drcareyyazeed.com/the-dangers-of-courage-culture-and-why-brene-brown-isnt-for-black-folk/ Find us on Instagram! Gillian: https://www.instagram.com/clearconnectionpsychology/ Joelle: https://www.instagram.com/joelle.vanlent/

    43 min

  4. MAR 2

    Re-Release: Who's Afraid of What? What to do when team interactions get dicey.

    Hello, listeners!  So far in season four Joelle and Gillian have experienced some illness and even some getting stuck in the tropics and as such we don't have a new episode for you this week, but we hope you will enjoy the re-release of one of the most popular ones from Season 2 and we will catch you next week. First released in June 2025, Gillian shares her strategy of processing adult interactions that don’t go as expected, including at times conflict and defensiveness.  Stepping back to consider how fear may be inspiring our responses and re-approaching the interactions with some perspective and curiosity can be very helpful.  Joelle and Gillian share some of their key strategies that may help when stress and fear are taking over- Who is afraid of what?  Slow down and back up Share the worry Get consultation from a trusted source Visualize the situation as a contingency map - what is the goal and is there a different path?  https://autismclassroomresources.com/contingency-maps-for-behavior-proble/ Find us on Instagram! Gillian: https://www.instagram.com/clearconnectionpsychology/ Joelle: https://www.instagram.com/joelle.vanlent/ Find us on Instagram! Gillian: https://www.instagram.com/clearconnectionpsychology/ Joelle: https://www.instagram.com/joelle.vanlent/

    48 min

  5. FEB 23

    Plans, Plans and More Plans!

    Dedicated, creative, and hardworking school teams make all kinds of plans to support students.  Those plans are created in hopes of inspiring regulation, engagement, and the development of new skills.  Confusion can arise when the intention of the plan has not been emphasized.  Joelle and Gillian discuss the many types of plans that school teams may create, the psychology that informs varied approaches, and the common pitfalls that school teams can fall into in this endeavor.   Here is a link to the mindfulness-in-schools ideas Gillian mentioned: Find us on Instagram! Gillian: https://www.instagram.com/clearconnectionpsychology/ Joelle: https://www.instagram.com/joelle.vanlent/

    41 min

  6. FEB 16

    What is Alexithymia and how might it be a helpful concept?

    Joelle and Gillian explore together the connection between the outward expression of emotion, internal awareness of varied emotional states, and social interactions.  How might the capacity to recognize and express emotions vary among those who are neurodivergent, depressed, anxious, and coping with the impact of trauma exposure?  Are there ways that educational staff and other supportive adults can help when there is either a character trait or state that results in restricted expression of affect?  Some helpful insight and tips were identified, as well as increased curiosity into this internal experience and outward expression.  Find us on Instagram! Gillian: https://www.instagram.com/clearconnectionpsychology/ Joelle: https://www.instagram.com/joelle.vanlent/

    41 min

  7. FEB 9

    Finding hope in the midst of chronic stress

    Gillian and Joelle take a walk down memory lane to recall all of the helpful strategies and insights that we learned during the immediate aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic to consider how those approaches may help us now.  Overwhelming, disheartening, and even at times terrifying events are happening in our country and world.  We bear witness to those events while keeping our lives and work moving forward with diligence.  This can all combine into feelings of defeat, anger, frustration, and learned helplessness.  We learned many powerful and accessible ways to face this situation that we can recall and access now.  We recall ideas, such as sharing the worry and finding hope through action, as well as find new ones, such as time confetti.  Find us on Instagram! Gillian: https://www.instagram.com/clearconnectionpsychology/ Joelle: https://www.instagram.com/joelle.vanlent/

    42 min

  8. FEB 2

    "It's Not Your Fault!" What the movie Good Will Hunting has to teach us as far as the toll of offering support.

    In today's episode, Joelle reflects on re-watching Good Will Hunting, the 1997 movie classic, on a recent flight.  She and Gillian consider the themes highlighted in this film of the real psychological and energetic toll of supporting someone in a resistant stage of change, and how we can apply this to supporting the nervous systems of school professionals and helpers in general. Find us on Instagram! Gillian: https://www.instagram.com/clearconnectionpsychology/ Joelle: https://www.instagram.com/joelle.vanlent/

    43 min
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Child Psychologists Joelle vanLent and Gillian Boudreau tackle topics related to schooling in our modern times including navigating impossible expectations and the power of curiosity in education, empowering educators to redefine success, overcoming fear and shame and their effects on school communities with open dialogue, and balancing high demands with compassion and understanding.

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  • Creator
    Gillian Boudreau and Joelle vanLent
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    35
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Stance of Curiosity
  • Show Website
    Stance of Curiosity

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