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Welcome to THE college admissions industry podcast! Join Mike Bergin and Amy Seeley as they discuss the latest issues in testing, admissions, learning, and education with leading experts.

Tests and the Rest is perfect for school counselors, educators, test prep professionals, college consultants, and just about anyone engaged in the college admissions process. You can subscribe to this podcast or stream it online via any podcast app, including iTunes, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, and TuneIn Radio.

YOUR HOSTS
Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros.
Between the two of us, expect over 50 years of industry insight, expertise, insider news, and a bit of sarcasm.

Tests and the Rest: College Admissions Industry Podcast Amy Seeley & Mike Bergin

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    • 4.8 • 39 Ratings

Welcome to THE college admissions industry podcast! Join Mike Bergin and Amy Seeley as they discuss the latest issues in testing, admissions, learning, and education with leading experts.

Tests and the Rest is perfect for school counselors, educators, test prep professionals, college consultants, and just about anyone engaged in the college admissions process. You can subscribe to this podcast or stream it online via any podcast app, including iTunes, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, and TuneIn Radio.

YOUR HOSTS
Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros.
Between the two of us, expect over 50 years of industry insight, expertise, insider news, and a bit of sarcasm.

    GETTING READY FOR THE AP PHYSICS 1 EXAM

    GETTING READY FOR THE AP PHYSICS 1 EXAM

    The Advanced Placement exams represent some of the most challenging subject-specific standardized tests a high schooler might ever take, and AP Physics 1 is no exception. Amy and Mike believe that every test warrants smart, serious preparation, so we invited educators Jennifer Boughton and John D’Alessandro to share valuable strategies, insights, and resources for getting ready for the AP Physics 1 exam.
    What are five things you will learn in this episode?
    What is tested on the AP Physics 1 exam and how does it differ from the other physics APs?
    How important is a calculator on the AP Physics exam?
    What are the highest priority topics for this exam?
    What are the best prep materials for AP Physics?
    How should students prepare for the AP Physics?
    MEET OUR GUESTS
    Jennifer Boughton is an enthusiastic educator fascinated by the studies of physics and mathematics. She received bachelor’s degrees in Physics, Physics Education and Mathematics Education along with a master’s degree in Curriculum & Instruction from Bowling Green State University.
    After spending a few years teaching high school, Jennifer accepted a position with the federal government supervising an operational team and serving as an adjunct instructor for training programs across the United States working with the CIA, DoD, FBI, and JCITA for more than 12 years.
    Jennifer returned to public school teaching in 2016 and currently works in the Cincinnati, Ohio area as a Physics instructor at Saint Xavier High School, an adjunct instructor of Physics, Mathematics and Robotics at The University of Cincinnati for the Upward Bound Program and a Physics, Mathematics, ACT and SAT tutor for LEAP-Test Prep and College Counseling.
    Jennifer can be reached at info@leaprogram.com.
    John D’Alessandro teaches multiple levels of physics at St. Xavier High School in Cincinnati, OH. He received a bachelor’s degree in physics from the University of Michigan. While he was pursuing a doctorate in astrophysics at the University of Kentucky, he was exposed to modern tools to teach physics at the high school level, and that changed the course of his life. He realized teaching was what thrilled him. He left UK with a master’s degree in physics and then received a master’s of science in secondary school science education from Columbia University’s Teachers College. 
    John is a National Board Certified Teacher in physics, is trained as an instructional coach, and has more than thirty years of experience teaching physics. He also coaches a FIRST FTC competitive robotics team.
    John can be reached at jdalessandro@stxavier.org.
    LINKS
    AP Physics 1: Algebra-Based
    AP®︎/College Physics 1 | Science | Khan Academy
    RELATED EPISODES
    GETTING READY FOR THE AP LANGUAGE EXAM
    GETTING READY FOR THE AP US HISTORY EXAM
    GETTING READY FOR THE AP STATISTICS EXAM
    GETTING READY FOR THE AP PSYCHOLOGY EXAM
    GETTING READY FOR THE AP CHEMISTRY EXAM
    ABOUT THIS PODCAST
    Tests and the Rest is THE college admissions industry podcast. Explore all of our episodes on the show page.
    ABOUT YOUR HOSTS
    Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros. If you’re interested in working with Mike and/or Amy for test preparation, training, or consulting, feel free to get in touch through our contact page.
     

    • 27 min
    TESTING POLICIES AND EDUCATIONAL EQUITY REVISITED

    TESTING POLICIES AND EDUCATIONAL EQUITY REVISITED

    Theories that standardized testing impeded equity in admissions decisions drove the pandemic-era test optional movement. With a few years of real-world data, we can now examine the accuracy of those theories. Amy and Mike invited student advocate Dr. Yoon Choi to revisit the review of testing policies and educational equity.
    What are five things you will learn in this episode?
    1. What does the research say about testing and equity?
    2. How do standardized tests help predict college readiness? 
    3. Why do many states and school districts in the U.S. use the SAT and ACT tests as part of their high school graduation requirements, accountability and evaluation systems?
    4. What might surprise people about the research on testing? 
    5. Instead of casting blame on the tests themselves, what should those who want to improve education and equity focus on?
    MEET OUR GUEST
    Dr. Yoon S. Choi is CEO of CollegeSpring, a national nonprofit that helps schools and teachers provide free SAT and ACT prep to students from low-income backgrounds. She has over a decade of leadership, management, and fundraising experience, primarily with organizations serving underrepresented youth. In 2020, she was named a Presidential Leadership Scholar by the program led by the presidential centers of George W. Bush, William J. Clinton, George H.W. Bush, and Lyndon B. Johnson. She has published articles about testing and college access in Inside Higher Ed, The Hechinger Report, and EdSource. Yoon earned her doctorate in anthropology from the University of California at Irvine, as well as a master’s degree from New York University and a bachelor’s degree from Scripps College.
    Yoon previously appeared on this podcast in episode # 111 to discuss Do Test Optional Policies Drive Equity.
    Reach Yoon at https://collegespring.org.
    LINKS
    Standardized tests can be great predictors of college success and should not be seen as a cause of inequity
    Words Matter: Don’t Go Test Optional, and If You Do, Call it Something Else
    Test Optional Won’t Level the College Admissions Playing Field,
    RELATED EPISODES
    WHO BENEFITS MOST FROM TEST OPTIONAL POLICIES?
    WHY TESTS MATTER: STUDENT PERSPECTIVES
    BENEFITS OF SCHOOL DAY TESTING
    COVID LEARNING LOSS
    ABOUT THIS PODCAST
    Tests and the Rest is THE college admissions industry podcast. Explore all of our episodes on the show page.
    ABOUT YOUR HOSTS
    Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros. If you’re interested in working with Mike and/or Amy for test preparation, training, or consulting, feel free to get in touch through our contact page.
     

    • 27 min
    POWER DYNAMICS IN COLLEGE ADMISSIONS

    POWER DYNAMICS IN COLLEGE ADMISSIONS

    Students and their families anxiously awaiting acceptance letters often feel helpless throughout the college admissions process. Little do they realize how quickly the advantage can shift in their favor. Amy and Mike invited educator Debra Landesberg to explore the concept of power dynamics in college admissions.
    What are five things you will learn in this episode?
    1. Why are power dynamics worth considering in the admissions process?
    2. Who holds the most power before applications are submitted?
    3. Who holds the most power once applications are submitted?
    4. Who holds the most power once acceptance letters are sent?
    5. How can applicants remain balanced throughout the admissions process?
    MEET OUR GUEST
    Debra Landesberg has a M.S. in Continuing Education with an emphasis in Counseling/Psychology & Certificate in College Counseling. Debra has guided students through secondary education to college and beyond for over two decades. As a nationally known and highly respected figure in the college counseling community, she is considered a veteran expert in college admissions. She has served on national and regional boards and maintains membership in HECA, NACAC, and SACAC. She has worked hands-on with multiple family members who have achieved acceptance to more than 200 colleges & universities across the United States & globally. 
    Debra can be reached at mycollegeresource.net.

    LINKS
    Reframing power relationships between undergraduates and academics in the current university climate
    Does Anyone Win When Colleges Compete?
    RELATED EPISODES
    HOW TO SPEAK TO A COLLEGE ADMISSIONS REP
    DO COLLEGES CARE ABOUT THEIR APPLICANTS?
    LETTERS OF CONTINUED INTEREST
    WHAT DO COLLEGES KNOW ABOUT APPLICANTS?
    ABOUT THIS PODCAST
    Tests and the Rest is THE college admissions industry podcast. Explore all of our episodes on the show page.
    ABOUT YOUR HOSTS
    Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros. If you’re interested in working with Mike and/or Amy for test preparation, training, or consulting, feel free to get in touch through our contact page.
     

    • 28 min
    BUSTING MYTHS ABOUT HOW TO PAY FOR COLLEGE

    BUSTING MYTHS ABOUT HOW TO PAY FOR COLLEGE

    Some rumors about the costs of college are true. For example, some colleges this year will establish record highs in tuition and fees. But does that mean you can trust everything you’ve heard? Amy and Mike invited educational consultant Ann Garcia to bust some pervasive myths about how to pay for college.
    What are five myths that are busted in this episode?
    Myth #1: We're not poor and our student isn't an athlete, so we're stuck paying full price for college.
    Myth #2: I have a 4.6 GPA so I will get merit scholarships wherever I apply. 
    Myth #3: My Student Aid Index/EFC is what it will cost me to go to college. 
    Myth #4: Full pay students shouldn’t bother filing the FAFSA.
    Myth #5: We shouldn't save for college because we will get more financial aid if we don't.
    MEET OUR GUEST
    Ann Garcia has helped thousands of families save millions of dollars on college. She is the author of the critically-acclaimed "How to Pay for College" and a sought-after media guest who's been quoted in the New York Times, U.S. News and World Report, the Wall Street Journal, and Money magazine, to name a few. Ann recently launched an interactive online course to help parents (and their advisors) affordably build savings for college and apply for aid into their broader financial plan. As a parent whose twins just graduated debt-free from college, Ann's expertise expands beyond FAFSAs and 529s — she understands the emotional components of helping your child set and achieve goals for their future. Outside of financial planning, Ann is an avid runner, skier, and fan of middle school rock concerts.
    Ann can be reached at howtopayforcollege.com.
    LINKS
    How to Pay for College: A complete financial plan for funding your child's education
    RELATED EPISODES
    HOW TO PAY FOR COLLEGE
    FOUR SCHOLARSHIP MYTHS
    WHAT IS A NET PRICE CALCULATOR?
    ABOUT THIS PODCAST
    Tests and the Rest is THE college admissions industry podcast. Explore all of our episodes on the show page.
    ABOUT YOUR HOSTS
    Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros. If you’re interested in working with Mike and/or Amy for test preparation, training, or consulting, feel free to get in touch through our contact page.
     

    • 26 min
    IEC PROFILE: Jennifer Stephan

    IEC PROFILE: Jennifer Stephan

    Ready to learn the history, philosophy, and practice of an experienced independent educational consultant?
    MEET OUR GUEST
    Meet Dr. Jennifer Stephan. Jennifer has held a variety of roles across top colleges and universities, including professor, academic dean, and board of admissions member, in addition to serving as a private college counselor, alumni interviewer for Johns Hopkins University, and parent of three. She holds a BS degree in electrical engineering from Johns Hopkins University, as well as an MS and a PhD in electrical and computer engineering from Carnegie Mellon University.
    Jennifer is currently the Dean of Academic Advising and Undergraduate Studies for the School of Engineering at Tufts University. Prior to joining Tufts in 2016, she spent over two decades serving as a dean and a professor of Computer Science at Wellesley College, where she collaborated with colleagues at MIT, Olin College of Engineering, and Babson College to support students pursuing engineering. While at Wellesley, Jennifer served on the College’s Board of Admissions, reading and evaluating approximately one hundred transfer applications each year.
    Jennifer also is the founder of Lantern College Counseling, a robust college counseling practice where she regularly employs insights from her experiences leading in higher education to help students develop their college lists and shape competitive, authentic applications. She is the author of the online course "How to Write a Standout Computer Science College Application." Jennifer specializes in STEM, computer science, engineering, undecided and transfer students
    She is a member of the National Association for College Admissions Counseling (NACAC) and a professional member of the Independent Educational Consultants Association (IECA).
    Jennifer first appeared on our podcast in episode 541 to discuss NAVIGATING THE COMPETITIVE LANDSCAPE OF COMPUTER SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING ADMISSIONS..
    Find Jennifer at jennifer@lanterncollege.com.
    ABOUT THIS PODCAST
    Tests and the Rest is THE college admissions industry podcast. Explore all of our episodes on the show page.
    ABOUT YOUR HOSTS
    Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros. If you’re interested in working with Mike and/or Amy for test preparation, training, or consulting, feel free to get in touch through our contact page.
     

    • 17 min
    IEC PROFILE: Hanna Stotland

    IEC PROFILE: Hanna Stotland

    Ready to learn the history, philosophy, and practice of an experienced independent educational consultant?
    MEET OUR GUEST
    Meet Hanna Stotland, who flunked out of high school, got a G.E.D., and went on to graduate from Harvard College and Harvard Law School. Since 1999, she has been an independent admissions consultant specializing in educational crisis management, including Title IX, substance abuse and mental illness. Her recent professional presentations include conferences of the Independent Educational Consultants Association, the Higher Education Consultants Association, nine regional ACACs, and Families Advocating for Campus Equality. She has also been featured in the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS News, PBS, and WNYC.
    Find Hanna at https://hannastotland.com or hanna@hannastotland.com.
    ABOUT THIS PODCAST
    Tests and the Rest is THE college admissions industry podcast. Explore all of our episodes on the show page.
    ABOUT YOUR HOSTS
    Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros. If you’re interested in working with Mike and/or Amy for test preparation, training, or consulting, feel free to get in touch through our contact page.
     

    • 18 min

Customer Reviews

4.8 out of 5
39 Ratings

39 Ratings

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Great Show!

Mike and Amy are knowledgeable and entertaining hosts and bring on a variety of great guests! A must-listen if you are preparing for college or have a child who is!

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Experts

Amy and Mike are skillful hosts—they ask the right questions to get the best out of their guests. Both the interviewers and interviewees are knowledgeable, so I learn from all of them in every episode.

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Great resource for parents, educators, and tutors

Amy and Mike do a phenomenal job of bringing in experts who can easily distill their messages into memorable chunks. Each podcast feels like a conversation between friends instead of an interview — a true testament to the hosts.

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